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I was just reading "You were born for this" by Chani Nicholas, a beginners astrology guide. Sometimes you see something again and again and you would normally brush it away but instead it hits you. She writes "Pluto may desire to control emotions, so much so that it is difficult to feel safe enough to be vulnerable, relaxed, and open with others." This is nothing groundbreaking, this is common astrological knowledge but something "clicked" when I read it. I do not have Moon-Pluto aspect but they are in opposite signs in my natal chart, together with my lunar nodes and other factors. And this theme of people triggering certain emotional states within me is so familiar. It's not ideological control or manipulation, no one demands I believe them, it's more subtle, deeper and therefore much more powerful and treacherous. Let's say you grow up in an environment where people tell stories that make you feel certain way, mostly to manage your behavior so you are more compliant with what they want from you. When you are in fear, chances are, you are less likely to oppose them and will follow whatever they suggest. Normally exuberant child is more easily "contained" when scared of boogeyman. When someone is interested in the same person you are, they might want to trigger feelings of distrust, so you are less likely to go after who you want and be their competition. Bottom line is, people are trying to trigger within another emotional states that benefit them. If they are successful at that, they do not need to control what you think, the feeling state they triggered will take care of that and you will lean towards stories and information sources that reinforce it. The whole advertisement industry is about triggering emotional states of inadequacy so people buy products they rarely or never use, mostly ineffective crap, so that they can feel good about themselves again or feel like they belong. Now the whole Saturn-Pluto conjunction in the sign of corporations, media tycoons and governments. That is one big ass fear trigger. Pluto - never underestimate power of emotions.

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I was profoundly abused as a child. It trigger fight / flight / rebellion.

I do agree that advertising and media has done a number on everyone, far beyond their wildest imagination.  I wish people would look into this because if you can see it, you can flee it.

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Pluto is a great manipulator.  A classic example in advertising is what they did with cigarettes back in the 50's and 60's.  Everyone smoked back then.  It was considered so cool and sophisticated, but they left out the fact it was addictive and could kill you.  All so the tobacco companies could make a ton of money and have a guaranteed customer base.

 

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@jofrance that the tip of the iceberg in that era and they are even more destructive today.

Get this... I was shopping something on Amazon (women's shorts) and I scrolled to the reviews. I could not believe it... there was a big lecture in the reviews about how a man could wear the shorts.

"Lecture" meaning someone said they should make the shorts for men... the manufacturer said, men should just buy the women's shorts... what's wrong with that?

Now I was shopping girly shorts but that's not the revelation here.

It was some hours later, I realized the question and the response were placed.

I'm sorry! I can't prove this but if you just use a bit of common sense... women who are reviewing shorts - there were plenty of them, just want to know if they make their ass look big and if they are binding on their thighs or something.  There were tons of reviews to that affect, with pictures and video. And then in the middle of the (thousand) comments, there is this highlighted thing telling everyone these shorts are good for men.

See, message boards are infiltrated... just everywhere you can imagine, we're being pounded and pounded and pounded and pounded and if you don't learn to discern... well, hell. I warned about this when Saturn was in Virgo... twelve years ago?

Here's another horror that may or may not be true, but it's possible.

Someone asserted, 1% were in control and 4% were in league with them. 5% know what's going on and 90% know nothing. Can you imagine?

It's daunting but I think of the "They Live" money and he was surrounded.

This is on topic. The topic is how people with influence make you feel. 

See, I've always wondered what convinced so many women to get breast jobs. Sorry, but I have wondered this, all my life.

Well, then I found out. And probably upwards of 95% of the women who have them have no clue  how they were manipulated. If they find out...?

Well I wonder about this. What will they do? Collapse in tears? I don't think so. I think they'll be pissed beyond all measure.  But will they find out?

I don't know. I think it's a coin toss myself. People don't want to know anything they don't want to know. Paul Simon, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."

For the record, breast implants are just one example of 100 million. There is no way to stop being manipulated if you pretend you're not manipulated.

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Based on this climate, which I agree is present and being made more transparent each day, why do you think so many people trust taking you know what? 

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@sophiab this is not hard to understand if you stand in their shoes. This means you would read what they read, here what they hear and not hear anything else.

It's such a mind fk.  I see Joe Biden, an actor, fumbling his speech and making horribly inappropriate remarks to girls.

One minute later, I see Joe and Jill Biden, riding bicycles, looking about 23 years old, waving happily.

Now you tell me which one is real and then convince someone who is convinced of something that they are mis-convinced!  Good luck!

Also, we don't really know what is happening.  I am not sure there is ANY news source that is not compromised, any picture that is real, etc.

Both sides use a degree of magical thinking (Mercury Neptune) to defend their positions.  It's pretty crazy.

I have my leanings but as I've said before, I can not only see both sides, I can argue them. It's a matter of being able to see and scrutinize both sides.

I'll just add, you can hope it's more transparent and it may seem that way, but I don't know that it is. People are in their bubbles. There is a strong chance that a person opposite you is not seeing the content you're seeing.  Even if they do, they will go with their bias.  It's just human nature.

Astrologically, I would say the mutable signs would catch on first and easiest because they move around.  The fixed signs would be last, which may be why we have Saturn/Uranus at this time. That aspect is a jackhammer which is what it's going to take.

I don't want to hijack this thread but this is what we're talking about, I think.  Chart factors than incline a person to respond in certain ways to certain things.

Another twist  - male and female. Who would be most resistant?

I don't know the answer to that.

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@elsa My approach is not to try to change people's minds or perspectives, just to live my reality in the best way I can. I think that creates its own influence. I try to see all the changes happening as a grief process, denial, bargaining, rage, resignation, depression, acceptance.. We are all in the process just at different stages. It's easier to manipulate those who are vulnerable, confused, relient on illusion, lacking a strong sense of identity that is anchored from within (thus seeking and identifying with too much externally). To bring it back to Moon Pluto aspects, a person with strong Pluto contacts tends to have to go through this journey in life, from being the oppressed or gaslighted victim to becoming empowered. Grieving the reality of the trauma and betrayal by others, accepting the reality of the losses is a big part of getting strong. This can be applied collectively.

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@sophiab this makes a lot sense.

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Then I see something like this... it's what I mean about people running across information.

"...MSM is not your friend. None of them. Not now, not ever. And Fox is quite literally the most mainstream of all the media even if they like to pretend they aren't.

Additionally, Charles Payne is an actor. At the end of the day, he'll do what Rupert Murdoch wants. I don't think many people here would argue that Rupert Murdoch is a good person. I won't get into the finer details of it to avoid breaking rule 5...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/ntryon/hey_rsuperstonk_please_be_careful_with_the/

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Everyone knows something. If you're calling "everyone" crazy, you may need a mirror.

 

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Moon-Pluto-MC conj in Scorpio. My mother was instrumental in my career, but also became something of a stage-mom. She inspired me to become a lecturer and was more than simply supportive. However, she was meddlesome in my relationships (Moon square Venus and Mars in Leo) until she realized that her interference not only caused the breakup of my relationships, but made her lose the man I was involved with, whom she had considered as an ideal husband for me. She has never recovered from this, but it was the salvation for me.

This means that it took me too long to learn to place boundaries. In fact, I think that the best way to channel Moon-Pluto is to accept the hidden power it possesses for good or bad. A positive Moon-Pluto opposition manifestation would be to see and help others discover their inner strengths; a Moon-Pluto square would manifest as an incredible inner power and ability to keep calm in the face of adversity. I decided to see my Moon-Pluto as my internal radar: it has never failed me. 

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