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Something really horrible had to be going on with him to make him choose to leave not only his family and friends but even his dog.  

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@warped-by-wuthering-heights I don't know about that.

This is a (solar) chart for noon.

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Saturn and Pluto (and Mars) transiting his Sun and Mercury - quite painful. Plus he was alone on lockdown (he enjoyed siblings, earlier in his life) and his parents were getting divorced... and had problems over the prior two years.  Jupiter - I'm leaving.

See, this is when astrology could have helped. Sometimes parents consult me when their kid is having a problem. I have no doubt, if I saw this chart, I'd have told them their kid was in danger. I would have been very direct about this. I know those degrees!

Drastic solution to Libra upset (Venus in Scorpio). NMC understands, I bet.

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@elsa Isolation (physical, emotional or social) can be deadly for a Libra. We have to connect! When my state shut down, I had to visit clients for work, and I also had housemates I got along with very well. We looked out for each other. I can't imagine how I would have fared if I'd been isolated. 

Also, hormones come into play in a 17-year-old. At that age I was feeling suicidal myself. My boyfriend broke up with me and I felt like an outsider in my own family (I always have--Aries IC), so those two things plus the hormone shifts sparked violent self-destructive impulses that I nearly acted on.

Parents getting divorced can really mess up kids, too. Mine got divorced when I was a toddler and then bio dad disappeared. Mom remarried soon after to a great man, but the divorce and abandonment still confused me and left a mark. Pluto/Sun in Libra. When Kelly Clarkson sang of "the holes that you burned in me at six years old", I felt that. The Pluto in Libra generation knows how destabilizing it is to kids to see marriages fail. 

Sorry this is so long. I hope his parents can find some peace. 

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@elsa Isolation (physical, emotional or social) can be deadly for a Libra. We have to connect! When my state shut down, I had to visit clients for work, and I also had housemates I got along with very well. We looked out for each other. I can't imagine how I would have fared if I'd been isolated. 

I knew you'd get this, and moreso when I can get the rest of this written.

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@elsa I hope the son finds peace as well, in the afterlife.

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@elsa

"problems over prior two years" ...so it wasn't sudden.  If only people didn't give up on life so easily.  

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@warped-by-wuthering-heights well, they had no idea this might be a consequence. It's why I am writing all this. These transits are hardcore. This is not business as usual.

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I have no idea what is going on with the dog food at the funeral. Maybe the family and friends decided to organize a food drive for an animal shelter in the boy's memory???

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@cocopeaches Exactly.

We're like this row of Catholics thinking, that's not the Eucharist?!

I don't know that I've ever been more confused in my life.  And no one said anything.

It was like we all saw it... but I knew at this point, there were people behind me. It felt as if there we A LOT of people around me. I was not about to nudge my husband in this circumstance!

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I've noticed a lot of kids these days do that sort of thing for their birthday parties - ask for donations in lieu of gifts, usually for animal shelters. I could easily imagine someone doing that in my church!

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Funny thing is I can't imagine being afraid to turn around, or give a nudge, during church service, though.

It took me a while to really understand the differences between Catholics and Protestants.... I had Catholic friends growing up, and I really had no idea until I went to their weddings. Even then I just started to notice how different it is. And that's still a very general comparison. Christians are a very diverse group.

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@cocopeaches Catholics are quiet during mass. The service had not begun, and people are more casual than the used to be about visiting in the pews before mass, but it's still customary to be silent once you're in the church or in this case, the chapel.

I go native fast. But in this case, I was in the company of Catholics. We would not be doing anything that could possibly upset anyone.

Also, this was a funeral for a child. I would not feel right, looking around to see who is there or whatever. Remember, I could see the boy, in his casket. And the film was playing.

Also, when my husband got to work the morning he found out, it was this gal who ran up to him, sobbing, to tell him what had happened. She'd known him since he was a baby. I was between them, and the boss was there as well.

Really, I am quite sensitive and will go way out of my way to not be an asshole.

I was curious about the dog food but there is no way I would risk breaking any kind of protocol to ask about it. I mean, someone's kid is dead. Mine is not. The least I could do is mind my manners.

One thing, overriding most everything in this area, is the idea a person should mind their own business. I was there to support the family and my husband and the community in general who shows up for the dead. Boundaries, right? I have them.

This does not mean you don't. I mean to share this with you. The way I think and how I feel about something like this.

The man with the dog food was something... had I not come to understand it, I'd have asked my husband what he thought, on the way home or something.

As for not looking around or back, Catholics pray in church. Do you stare at people praying or mourning? The idea is that people can be safe in church. They can pray or sit quietly and not be interrupted.

One distinction might be that Catholics believe that Jesus is in the church.. the real presence. So if you were in the presence of Jesus, would you be chatting...now????!!

That's probably it right there. If you ever go in a Catholic church, anywhere in the world, look for the red candle or light, left burning, constantly. Usually directly behind the altar. That's where Jesus is. It's focal. So I guess this is just embedded in me. In this case, the casket and the boy and his life playing out on the screen, was focal.

I was aware this was the last time anyone would see the boy. His mom was up there smoothing his hair. The least I could do is stay focused for this last hour.

One other thing. I don't have Gemini. I don't need to chat or look around. So some might find this quite intense. But I believe I've copped to have a packed 8th house. This is who and how I am.

 

 

 

 

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@elsa Thanks for that. The boy in his casket absolutely sets the tone, no matter the kind of church. I would not be chatting, and I would probably be annoyed if other people were. But you caught me - I most likely would be looking around (Mercury and Mars in Gemini). I grew up in a Congregational church, so there weren't any nuns around to correct anything about me, although sometimes I wish there had been! It was much more of a social environment than a place of prayer, for better or worse. 

Anyway, it sounds like the grieving family is supported by a very loving community, of which you and your husband are no small part, and I thank God for that. May the boy's soul rest in peace forever and ever.

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@cocopeaches they had a visitation the evening before, for several hours. They also had a number of rooms where people were chatting in groups. I would say that the people sitting in the chapel did not want to chat. They wanted to reflect or spend time with the boy.

His friends were in there, sitting some rows ahead of us. They weren't chatting. They'd been instructed, I'm sure. Their demeanor was solemn.

In fact, the next day, my husband said he heard someone tell someone else to go tell some id-yit to take the hat off his head.

It's quite old fashioned around here. We pull over for funeral processions, for example. Without fail. 

Also, the family was not up, chatting. They appeared tired and traumatized. I knew I would probably be interacting with them on the way out. I wanted to understand their loss the best I could.

Remember, we were prepared, the father come to stay at our house, indefinitely. So I was attuned to that as well.

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@elsa,I do have a Gemini Moon - I wouldn't have been looking around, either.  ::Catholic, too::

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My husband has a cousin who commited suicide in his bedroom with a gun at that same age, 17. I remember running a chart on him, he was born and died on his pluto line. Pluto is so nasty, esp when working with Mars in a chart. I wonder if he moved, he would have had a chance. He lived in a very tiny city with a religious cult his parents were involved in. 

Im a big believer in astrocartography. I run lines and things are exposed to me. Tornados are caused by Jupiter lines.  Tragedies that have secrets  have Mercury line over them to show they are mastermind or conspiracy behind it.

 

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Continued from prior...

It must have been two o'clock because all of the sudden, a man stepped onto the platform to stand behind a lectern.  He had a bag the dog food on his shoulder. I was taken aback. But I figured we were going to find out about this now. How this boy loved his dog?  But still it was just mind-boggling.  The man looked sad. Like he'd rather not but he was resigned to this.

He began by explaining that he had prayed about this situation.  This is common with Protestants. They don't make decisions without, "praying on it".  I have to say, they seem to get very good answers, in my experience. I am not talking about tv mega church preachers. I'm talking about regular people you meet around here.

In whatever case, he said that God told him what he was to do and what he was to say at this funeral. He believed there were two things he was to convey, intended to help the family and everyone else there. The bag of dog food was setting on his shoulder. He was tall and standing on a platform so it was the most elevated thing in the room. I was transfixed.

He said he knew the boy. He met him when he was 11 years old. He could recall the first words they exchanged. You could tell the man had been thinking about all this... hard. It showed in his face.

He expressed his sorrow at what had happened. He called it an "accident" which was kind and not exactly un-truthful. "I guess you're wondering why I've got this dog food..."

He said that he did think that anyone their should carry any guilt over this situation. He did not think God (or the boy) wanted anyone to be burdened by things like this. What you did or didn't do or think you could have done, etc.  This was expressed as a personal opinion.

I thought it was nice for the family. Permission, see?

He went on to explain that he had been carrying the dog food bag all day. Turns out, he sat down behind the casket but kept the bag on his shoulder.

He said he should not be carrying the bag because he had a bad neck.  "In fact, I had an epidural shot in my neck, two days ago. My doctor would advise against my carrying this bag..."

He wanted everyone to see it, though. He wanted them so see how he was not made to carry a burden of this sort.... and either are you or me, or whoever.  We're going to miss this boy and we're going to grieve, maybe for a long time, but we should not be carrying this extra burden - point was taken, it was not put on him by God. It was added on.

Eventually he set the bag down; in the process, he illustrated how this could be done. I thought this was very effective and potentially very helpful to the family, going forward.

To be continued. 

 

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@elsa

That was so moving. What you've just related will stay with me for the rest of my life. Thank you.

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@elsa That's a very powerful way to illustrate the weight of the burden, and one's ability to unload it in a meaningful way. I really hope that all of the boy's friends and family, and the boy's father especially, are able to set it down when the time is right for them, and not carry it around for the rest of their lives. Sheesh.

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Oh Elsa. I am a person who always ha an open door so it was good to read that your husband and you are also hospitable people. That father, oh no words are adequate. May he eventually find some comfort in his grief.

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