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I've noticed a trend over the last few days, the comments in the forum and on the blog have been meaty and interesting.  This used to be the norm around here but this place, like so much of the internet, spiraled down or was taken over by shrill, hysterical voices.  Could we be making a comeback? It seems that way to me.

I just came across this post from 2008.  It's thin but it links to a lot interesting content and comments.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/how-will-pluto-in-capricorn-affect-cancer/

Could be be going back to this kind of interaction and engagement? I am going to try to foster this.

I have no idea why this shift occurred. It's seems bizarre.  Might we come back from the dead?

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@elsa You know they say if you request something from the universe, you open up to receiving it? I think your call to use or lose the forum was powerful. I never posted here before, I've just read the blog for years and learnt a great deal of astrology in the process. I heeded that call because this site is of great value. Last night I was seeing this website as your house and the forum is people invited in, sitting around a big kitchen table discussing things. People come and go but the house and table remains. This doesn't fully answer the question as to why now a shift in discussions, but it's an important part of it I think. 

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@sophiab thanks very much. I greatly appreciate your chiming in at that time and every post since!

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@sophiab I like the sound of your thoughts, and appreciate and relate to being a reader of ElsaElsa for years, learning and becoming informed by it. Me too. I come and go from the Forum, over the past dozen years or so, depending upon what's going on in my life. I'm an old Scorpio woman, with a progressed Aquarius Sun so I've lived a lot of transformation and much of it is internal. The drama of the current goings on outside, and being a grandmother of a 9 month old grandbaby is a sobering reality; what world will he experience if I knuckle under to fear and don't plant seeds of sanity, intelligence and depth? Elsa serves up a good table. 

 

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I can see it being a Pluto in Capricorn thing, yes. Most of us here have gone through a Pluto in Capricorn transit seeing as it’s at the tail end of the sign now. I’m personally wrapping up transit Pluto square Venus. This transit brought out strong ambition in me. I had no time for anything else, not even depth. Anxiety was high and possibly fear. There’s an element of ruthlessness. The opposite of calm. I think as a collective we have possibly realized how important self-care and time for yourself is for your well-being, spiritually, mentally, physically. I have decreased my work load significantly.

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Good morning, Elsa!

Reading your initial post in this topic made me remember why I reread Madeleine L'Engle's Time Quintet series this summer.  What a feisty, gentle soul she was.  A Wrinkle in Time was the first novel in that series.

Audiobooks, actually.  So I can do things, while listening.  Or, listen while doing things.

Having happened to find someone - my housemate - who is of a close-enough "tribe" (values, foremost) to mine, there have been moments in which his expectations of me were too much, and in the pursuit of maintaining peace, after saying, "I can't listen to this (rehashing things that upset him in the past, and upsetting him, and me, in retelling them in the exact same way as previously)" I've put on headphones, and an audiobook.  Effectively, taking my bear side of me out of stick poking range.  (My Mars in Cancer ♋ has too wide an orb to oppose my Saturn in Capricorn ♑ most of the time, but Mercury in Aries can stretch arms if provoked for too long at a time)

Nevermind.  I'm glad you're there, and doing what you do.  Here's a song, sparked by a story my housemate told me, about a man who acted as an older brother to him when he was an early adolescent.  A good man, who started out that was as a teenager himself.

Spirit in the Sky, penned and sung by Norman Greenbaum:

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Maybe we are consolidating our losses which made us deeper and meaningful? I just realized Pluto is in Capricorn for the last 13 years and yes, I am counting my losses (they are really huge, irreplaceable), and while counting I realized while I was losing, I was hysterical. I was on the edge and behaving irrationally, now when the end of the storm is here, I feel more connected with myself. But, is ending Pluto in Capricorn really the end of the storm? 

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@dori Well, Pluto will be in Capricorn for quite some time. It's nowhere near done.

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@elsa Omg, of course. Next year is going to be 2022, not 2023. Pluto will enter Aqua in March 2023, right?

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Yes, 2023. But it will retrograde back into Capricorn and not wrap up until the end of 2024.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/pluto-in-capricorn-stations-retrograde-dates-degrees-2021-2024/

I'm aware of this because I have stuff in late degrees of cap in my chart, but also most of my current clients do as well. We're all in the thick of it.

Also, structures are still collapsing along with ties that used to bind.

Last, there is a lot if death and clearly much more to come.

I guess I read your post re: the storm ending. We've not yet been leveled.  Sorry, but this is what I see from my place in the world.

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@elsa Don't apologize, there is nothing to be sorry about, I love how honest, straightforward, and direct you are. I love the truth no matter what. When my mom was dying, I would say: mom is dying, I can feel death around in our house, like it was living with us. People would say: noooo, your mom is not dying, she will be okay, you can't know she is going to die, maybe it will be okay. I have a huge problem with that kind of attitude and words. That's why I like it when you are direct and honest. No point in decorating a picture that's already bad or not really good.

It was actually my mistake believing that it will end next year because I completely lost track of time, what year actually is. Yes, in my life there was a lot of death, but if it happens again, it's fine, I'm not afraid of it anymore, I learned how to embrace it and accept it as a part of life.

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