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One of the best things about the internet - it allowed people to crowdsource information. This forum was a good example of this. You could ask a question and who knows who might weigh in. You'd generally get feedback that was useful, interesting, entertaining. Occasionally, you'd get something of astounding value back for your effort.

It not like this anymore.  People know things but they can't or won't share for a variety of reasons.  This not particular to this site. It's all over the place. Anything good is attacked, invaded, compromised one way or the other.  Pretty soon, everything is equally useless.  We're very near this point from what I can see.

This came to mind because I followed a link to something re: open secrets. This was hardly the case on the site.  Just another spinning disco ball, distorting information and/or revealing the obvious while also hiding or denying the obvious.  What use it this? Do people really click to get mindf'ed?

I'm smelling Pluto in Aquarius. The decay leading to the death of the internet or at least the death of the humanity in it. 

Does anyone have ideas how this might be combatted?

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I'm smelling Pluto in Aquarius. The decay leading to the death of the internet or at least the death of the humanity in it. 

I’ve been thinking the same, but re: the internet: I think the destruction of how we relate to this particular technology is a good thing. Humanity was swept away with the possibility, and things went so fast, but now we’re sitting with our heads spinning wondering what happened. It’s like how we used to use mercury, and other toxic chemicals. We’ve been bathing in mercury for at least the last two decades because it was supposed to be the next best thing, but now we’re sick and we’re still learning just how deeply it’s affected us. Sure, there’s a time and a place to use mercury and the internet, but that place isn’t inside of us.

Does anyone have ideas how this might be combatted?

Pay attention to real life. With so much fixed energy right now, by real life I mean our literal material reality, and it should go without saying that most important part of material reality for humanity is humanity. Other people.   

If we think about Aquarius, we know very well the relationship between the group and the individual, and the possibility for connection or isolation, therein. 

I’ve also been thinking about Cancer, in relation to Aquarius. Being 150 degrees apart, the two signs are often said to have nothing in common and that’s certainly how it seems at first glance. But similarly to Aquarius, Cancer describes a group dynamic, too; a generally smaller, more intimate group, but a group nonetheless. People are going to do what they’re going to do, but hopefully some will want to relearn loyalty and intimacy and dependability along the way.

The way I see it, independence and individuality have been corrupted every which way possible in conversation. I don’t want to talk about that. Just…depend on people, real people in your real little or big life, the ones with whom you share a roof or a road, and be able to be depended on, too. Don’t look for your meal though a screen. It’s not food.

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@buendia 

Wow- said with so much wisdom. I took a screen shot- and will read to my next ladies book club. SO many of them are so fixated to their Instagram and FB and whatever they can stare at. It boggles my mind how much time - even my  people spend w/ technology. Sad.

I love your writing. 

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@buendia Yep. I’m feeling poisoned, too. Now is the time for people to relearn how to relate to each other and work with each other, because we’ll need to. Collectively, we are likely headed for hard times, so forming healthy, real-life connections will be crucial to our survival. That and learning skills. By skills, I mean growing food, not growing your Twitter audience. 👍🏻  
The polarization being promoted by social media really concerns me, because this is the worst possible time in history for this to happen. The opposite needs to happen if we’re going to move forward and survive the next few months and years.

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Don’t look for your meal though a screen. It’s not food.

So true. But I think about this time, 25 years ago. My oven broke. Prior to the internet, I'd have called a repairman.  Who knows what it might have cost. Hundreds, anyway.

Instead, I watched a 2 minute video on youtube. I learned that it was probably the heating element that was bad... you can replace them by removing four screws and installing the new one by tightening four screws. The new element was bought online for about $26 as I recall.  I was very proud for having actually fixed and oven...

As for astrology, people in different parts of the world from different age groups know different things.

Case in point, I know that Chiron rules charisma.

Recently some gal attacked me on facebook.  She said this was not true because she had never heard of it and who the f was I?

Well I was someone who talked to this cool old dude / pet astrologer among other things. He's the one who told me about it and explained this to me, in depth. I turned around and posted about it... expanding his knowledge to many, many people.

This is a fine, fine resource. Not that I don't think people should move offline but my reasons may be different.

Having grown up without a TV... or  a phone - a landline - no phone of any kind, I am comfortable thinking my own thoughts and keeping myself occupied. I know how to garden and I have always cooperated with my neighbors.... carpooling and such from the first day of Kindergarten for my oldest child.

I think you have to get offline, not just because of the messages but because the visual media you consume screws you up in ways most have not yet begun to fathom.

It's important to talk to real people for this reason - you are a real person - making an assumption here.  

 

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I love this site and it’s somewhere I feel safe and I learn so much. 
I have made some great connections on self care sites and I was able to take my vacuum cleaner apart and repair it with a YouTube channel. 
What I don’t do is Twitter, and those types of social media zone out sites. I don’t care for Hollywood, etc, . 
Zoom is vital for me as I’m in many book groups and educational groups. 

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@elsa I realized I got ahead of myself in answering your question, as I've been thinking a lot about the death of humanity in relation to Saturn and Pluto in Aquarius. 

I totally agree that the internet is a fine resource, and said in my post there is definitely a time and a place. In a lot of ways, though, it's still as useful as it ever was (fixed my vacuum yesterday with the help of a yt video), but it's also dehumanizing in so many ways I can't even count, and I'm definitely not on as much as most. These days, the risk that comes with willingly putting yourself out there in the same way as before isn't worth the reward.

How to combat the death of humanity on the internet?

To start, make it less dehumanizing. 

To me, though, it seems designed to be dehumanizing, even if that's not how it seemed at first. And I mean that literally, to start. Human beings are deconstructed entities online. That's the nature of being online. There is no whole person, but thoughts about thoughts, feelings, opinions, images, etc. detached from the body. The body cries, laughs, smiles, grimaces. That's a lot of information to lose about a person. Not having that... that was always going to catch up with us. 

Just the tip of the iceberg. 

But really, I don't think it can be combatted. All part of the spiral we're on. 

Right now, I think people are just doing their thing. Which is a good thing. 

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@buendia I understand this sentiment and I like you expressed it. But I am a problem solver by nature so I continue to look for ways around impediments. I have some ideas on this but it's a BIG problem.

I am currently trying to figure out if this is something I should write about and if so, how?

I think parents and grandparents might like to understand how they might help this situation (the visual).

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How can you turn the kid away from the screen?  I have a crazy half-baked idea, I'm trying to incubate.  Because it may be important to do?

Or not. It may not be important but one way or the other, I think you have to come from inside the screen because they really don't turn away without a tantrum and/or anxiety and negative feelings, depending on the age and the child.

This is just my niche of the BIG problem.

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@elsa I think we’re talking about different problems at this point. I’m confused.

We may just be missing the mark here right now with each other, but I’m definitely interested in reading more if you ever wanted to write more about it.

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@buendia my fault. I veered off, sorry.
I realized this right after I posted.

I have these ideas incubating... a lot of them!  They cross paths at times!

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@elsa you could not speak to a person who understands that more than I do! Did it in my first post… then I wrote TWO separate essays this morning trying to respond (of course, I meant to be brief!), and just threw up my hands! I had swerved and veered, there were wormholes….

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@buendia Thanks. To be more on topic, I think legit, real, everyday people (like me and you) have to create content but also shun the slick manufactured, fake stuff with it's agenda embedded.

I really miss seeing regular every day people on the internet. Having un-reality reflected back at you, constantly, causes harm.  Some realize this and that's why there are campaigns to ditch "influencers".  

In reality, the so-called "credible sources" are useless. It's the every day person you're going to learn from.

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@elsa totally, totally agree about learning from the everyday person. I’ve actually been thinking lately small email chains could (again) be a thing here soon, like your newsletter, but even smaller. Something along those lines. That’s how some blogs developed back in the day, but this would be without the public access of a blog. Home spun.

I guess this is a matter of differentiating between “Big Internet,” I guess, and…?

Open territory?

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Seeing this kid staring @ the t.v. brought up a memory. My great grandmother. Born in 1892. 
My entire childhood, teenage years, she never owned a tv or phone. I watched her work, wash, bake, sew, garden, tend to animals, pick up eggs, - the routines were endless. She was a constant (to do list). Always busy with her hands and mind. 

Someone brought her a tv. And, she  got hooked on all the soap operas. 

I was a young adult & watched her go from a very active grandma to sitting in front of that tv, in a small window of time.

And I hated what it did to her. When I visited her, for quality time, -  and if one of her (shows) were on she would “shhh” me, because fake life was happening; & she was sucked into these fake people. She would ask me less and less about me. She became a shell of who she was.

Born in the 60’s. I’m not a fan of the tv or social media. I’m just caught in between. I was an outside kid, laying on my back watching the clouds,  or busy in winter reading books. 

When we did get a tv. - maybe 5 channels? So, as helpful as the internet is, I really am sick to my stomach & disgusted at the sight of babies, toddlers, children, teens, concreted to their screens, mimicking their parents. Even irl, what percentage of human connection is being flushed down the toilet? Madness. 

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@redbird this is a great story.  Thank you.  People are spellbound but the spell can be broken.

The problem is, there is no motivation to break the spell but this will change if a person comes to find out what's actually being done to them, with deliberation. 

This reminds me of something my husband told me long ago... eventually, everyone fights for their life.  He said the problem is they wait too long to start fighting.  Basically, once the perp is sitting on top you with a knife to your throat; your effort at that point won't make a difference. 

Collectively speaking. we're probably at this point now.  But if not, best get on this now.

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@elsa Exactly, I know there are probably so many families who aren’t raising their kids this way, but eventually said kids will be interested and introduced @ a friends house or when said kids grow up. Nobody can live in a bubble. 
I also remember something to the reflection of our tv saying nightly - it’s ten o’clock, do you know where your children are?

Does anyone remember that? Well, it’s 2021 and THEY know where your children are and what they are doing. 
What would happen if an insane power outage happened and it couldn’t be plugged back on? This thing is real-  but I - for one am not living in fear- rather my faith.
I can’t control it, none of us can. But- it won’t go on forever. A shift is coming. Thank you for this thread. I’m woke. 

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Having an actual life, actual relationships, conversations etc is important to me. 

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I guess this is a matter of differentiating between “Big Internet,” I guess, and…?

Open territory?

Right. This is what I think.  And when (and if) people realize that Big Internet is perp of some kind magnitude, depth and breadth I don't even know how to express... they will be looking for normal people. They will also learn to id them.

Most people don't realize their eyes are ruined; they need to go in the shop and be repaired, then they will be able to see. 

It's possible people never figure this out though. That's fine if you plan to die soon but if you think you're going to be around, best to figure it out so you can salvage what's left of your life.

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@elsa what do you think can be done?

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Just to be clear, I was going back to your original question. How do you think it can be combatted?

eta, I’m not sure if it makes sense that I replied to myself. Oh well.

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@buendia I am not sure what you are specifically asking but I will try to answer.

This is happening:

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/how-the-media-programs-your-life/

You have to come to understand this at a pretty sophisticated level.  There are techniques and tells.

Basically, we are given celebs to look at and listen to but it's not just the obvious ones. I'm not talking about Rhianna.  I'm also talking about ALL media. ALLLLLL.

They are spell casting and it's obvious if you put just a few brain cells to use.  They reveal this, constantly. CONSTANTLY.  It is written into the dialogue of people on screen. It is choreographed on every level.

If you come to see and understand this, as well as the horrific affect, you will very naturally turn away because it's repugnant.

If you're like me and need to know A LOT and you're super curious, you may stare this psychopathic abyss for some time... years.

Years, not because I'm stupid or resistant, there is just that much to parse.  But in trade, you'll get your power back - all of it. Plus you will never, ever be bored again, ever in your life.

I think deep down most people know or feel they've been hijacked. Well you have been, as have your children, etc.  So are you going to find out about this or just leave it broken?

Not "you", personally. General question.

Again, I have been blogging for 20+ years. I used to look for a pic... "young boy". I would get all these normal kid pics.  They don't exist anymore. Try it.

You'll see the machined looking people and it might occur to you how this might impact you but in reality, you won't even have the tip of your little toe in water.

We pretty much can only say or see or read certain things, presented in certain ways. Again, this is obvious on a superficial level, but there is a lot more to come to understand.

What does it mean if every day normal people are eradicated from the internet?  What does it mean if you can't see them or hear from them and all you do is stare into your phone all day.

What's the agenda here? 

If / when you figure it out, you won't like it but you will be free at that point. You'll see the lies and become immune to the programming.

Sorry, everyone. It's been a decade + long Pluto transit through the 12th. It's not like I've been slacking so this is part of what I have been up to.

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@elsa What's the agenda here?

What do you think it is? Is it organized or do you think it’s…momentum due to the trajectory we’ve been on?

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@buendia Yes. Totally organized and in play since before I was born.  This is why people miss it. If you see something from the day you're born, you think it's normal.  When you find out otherwise, you've got a lot of repair and re-wiring to do.

Just think about people who find out their dad is not their dad or something of that type. It's going to take awhile to shake it all out.

Except this is far more pervasive and deliberately intended to manipulate in a negative way.  As opposed to your step-daddy lying to you because you can't understand a situation because you're three years old.

This is a Pluto in Capricorn deal. The collective must deal with reality which may be quite dark in nature.

The power structure.  The construct we live in.  But it's not new. I've encountered one person who methodically tracked this via fashion back to the 1800's.

Compare that to someone looking at a stock-trading app set up like Las Vegas, with dollar signs in their eyes. 

Fashion is media of course.  They tell you this is, Devil Wears Prada.  Surface example but still.

The media is directing and controlling your life in ways you can't begin to imagine until you realize that you have really, Really, REALLY been duped.

From 2015.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/when-you-find-out-youre-wrong/

So once you know you've been duped then you want to know the extent of it (HUGE) and then you have to figure out what this is caused and cost you in your life.

You also have to be concerned if you are the last to know and most of all, how do you recover and go forward?  

It's knocks you for a loop but then you get your footing and eventually you can move around in the world with a lot less trouble.

My husband and I are watching a series we watched about eight years ago. I didn't know then what I know now.

They telegraph the fact of what is happening on the screen in nearly every scene. Well, at least a dozen times in a 40 min episode. Flew right over my head last time.  This is a life-changing discovery; necessary if you have any interest in your own sanity.

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@elsa considering the extent and and intent of the manipulation, do you think your or anybody’s response could have already been anticipated by those who organized the agenda? If so, what then? If not, what’s the reason for that blind spot do you think?

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@elsa What do you mean by telegraph, exactly? I'm interested in this topic because I was one of those people who started to see it and then made huge changes to my life, but I only started in my late 30s and sometimes it feels too late. Just sometimes.

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@dolce good question. That's part of my new vocabulary. It means you're signaling something.  

It might be a hand sign or some bit of info (truth) revealed in way, only insiders would pick up on it.

So in this example, there are insider jokes in every segment.  It's sort of mocking because they can get away with this and no one catches on except for now they have.

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@elsa ah gotcha! It's there if you have eyes to see.

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I don't know but I would expect bad reactions will be managed. 

I also don't think I'd not have figured this out if this was not desirable. They seem to be in the process of revealing this. I don't know why. It's like a magician's prestige.

To answer your question, I think the blind spot was created and maintained for many years. Now the veil is being slowly lifted. I don't know why but I don't think its accidental. 

It kind of like product placement in movies. Once you know what you're seeing, you see it. Can with the label facing perfectly. Movies to sell toys. Star wars.

 

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@elsa oh, I meant the blind spot of organizers had they not anticipated this, but it seems likely they did/do, and the blind pot was actually ours (if I have that correct).

Now the veil is being slowly lifted. I don't know why but I don't think its accidental. 

This is interesting. All things considered, it seems that whatever’s behind the veil is also likely bullshit? If it’s still part of the organized plan? 

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@buendia yes, it's the consumer with the blind spot. I don't know about the other.  People speculate but my personal interest is focused on everyday people as is usual for me. How can a person fare well in a given scenario? Affects on the person and their relationships. Healing.

I do come across theories put forth by others but similar to my approach with astrology, I tend to specialize. My chart is set up this way.

Also, its a very big picture.  I've been saying lately, I think people will have to work together for maximum benefit. Once you know how many people are working against you, you really appreciate someone working in concert with you.

 

 

 

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@elsa How can a person fare well in a given scenario? Affects on the person and their relationships. Healing.

This is what I’m wondering. It’s just that if  the answer for our healing is in learning what’s behind the veil, how can that be if what’s behind the veil was put there intentionally by people or organizations who are working against us? Seems like a trap.

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@buendia maybe. But I'd rather grapple with the truth. The lies are poison. 

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@elsa very much agree.

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