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Aspects that create paranoia?
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southernbelle182
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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 12:04 pm
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Satori hahahahaha, just some work related situation, which would normally leave me unannoyed, but i am getting hints, that there are behind the scenes plays related to me - i am in an 8th house/Scorpio profession.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 12:12 pm
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Yeah... why do you want to know? No, why do you think you NEED to know, and DESERVE to know? confused

Haha, never mind me - I only have Neptune trine Mercury (orb less than 2 degrees), Pluto in 12th opposite Mercury (orb less than a degree) and Scorpio Moon in 12th conjunct Scorpio Ascendant wink

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 3:37 pm
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SMG, lol!

I frequently get chastised by my family for being too suspicious of everything. Third House cusp in Scorpio containing Scorp Venus/Pluto. Saturn opposite Moon too can make me weary, especially from "well meaning authorities".

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 3:49 pm
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"Mercury with Pluto is a big one."

Check.

"Pluto in hard aspect to Sun"

Check. (Sun/Merc. conjunct square Pluto)

"hard Saturn-Neptune aspects"

Check. (opposition, with Neptune conjunct Jupiter)

"8th house moon", "8th house stellium"

Check.

I'm going now, I have to go completely erase my identity :).

No, seriously, it's really a wonder I never worried and scared myself into a rubber room. I actually think Saturn/Neptune may be the worst of these just in terms of CREATIVE paranoia. Maybe on its own it might not be as bad but with the other stuff present those worries are dark. I have had to work very hard on this particular thing and still do.

This is why I really treasure my softer aspects, incidentally. I could easily have turned into a paranoid nut if my chart were just a smidge different.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 4:34 pm
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yup check for saturn square neptune also

also i think we the paranoid surprised end up doing ourselves in, somehow we end up bringing or attracting the exact thing we fearconfusedor are paranoid about.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 5:20 pm
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" also i think we the paranoid surprised end up doing ourselves in"

Yup.

And it goes like this....

Kinks- Destroyer

Ray Davies has an exact Saturn/Neptune square btw. It's an ugly one because Sun, Venus (these two are out of sign), and Moon are tied up in it too.

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LOL @ satori in this thread. :)

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Thursday, May 1, 2014 - 10:25 am
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“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”

 

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I have Neptune square Mercury in my chart, and usually I'm alright but sometimes after smoking I used to get pretty badly paranoid and think my friends were talking about me and stuff like that when I wasn't in the room, confused the hell out of me for a couple years/scared me a lil but I'm a lot better with it now and can usually just dismiss it pretty easily.

The actual effects of this aspect manifest themselves in a constant struggle of confusion between your Neptune intuition, which takes the negative (or positive) energies of your environment and expresses them as personal and directly meaningful to you. In turn your mercurial logical mind argues against these feelings and tries to tell you that they're irrational and that everything's fine. Neurosis to the max, kind of a horrible situation to be in tbh and the worry used to drain all my energy.

It's hard because with paranoia there's like never a sure way to know if it's right or not, (maybe I misheard them etc) and since Neptune's in my first house these feelings are very strong and so is the confusion they create. Brings to mind the Nirvana lyric, "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you..." Catch-22 situation haha.

Self-realisation through psychedelics and the like can also lead to frustrations and confusions about whether the feelings of paranoia are legitimate and should be listened to or whether they're bs, because in the end it doesn't make a difference either way haha, they're still, "real" and part of the current consciousness around you.

Best way to combat this I've found is to refrain from masturbation, as you need the testosterone levels up, (assuming you're a man lol) so that you're not as affected by bitching and the like, whether imagined or not, and can cultivate the self-love necessary to embrace and accept the negative feelings and transmute them into positive ones.

If you do smoke I'd recommend avoiding tobacco, I've quit smoking tobacco recently and I've found that my anxiety levels have decreased dramatically.

Anyway I hope this is insightful to anyone looking for someone who understands how they feel.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 - 6:14 pm
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EverythingCoconut said
I have Neptune square Mercury in my chart, and usually I'm alright but sometimes after smoking I used to get pretty badly paranoid and think my friends were talking about me and stuff like that when I wasn't in the room, confused the hell out of me for a couple years/scared me a lil but I'm a lot better with it now and can usually just dismiss it pretty easily.

The actual effects of this aspect manifest themselves in a constant struggle of confusion between your Neptune intuition, which takes the negative (or positive) energies of your environment and expresses them as personal and directly meaningful to you. In turn your mercurial logical mind argues against these feelings and tries to tell you that they're irrational and that everything's fine. Neurosis to the max, kind of a horrible situation to be in tbh and the worry used to drain all my energy.

It's hard because with paranoia there's like never a sure way to know if it's right or not, (maybe I misheard them etc) and since Neptune's in my first house these feelings are very strong and so is the confusion they create. 

Well said, it's exactly how it is for me with this aspect too... never sure where my paranoia ends and where my intuition begins. I have to say that most of the time, it's been justified. 

Can I ask what house this squre is in in your chart?

Thinking about this topic again... Fear is Saturn related, Obsessive-Compulsive is Pluto, and Delusion is Neptune, I think a mix of the 3 would be a pretty potent concontion. 

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