“Am I A Plutonian?” Let’s Get Some Criteria Goin’ Here…

jack and the beanstalkRaven asks on Are You A Plutonian Character:

“Elsa, is there an easier way for you to determine if I am a Plutonian person? I would really love to know…”

As to  what constitutes a “Plutonian”,  I’d say it’s subjective and exists on a continuum. Some may say that anyone with their Sun in Scorpio is “Plutonian”. I would put the bar much higher.

To me, “Plutonian” means that Pluto or Scorpio energy dominates the chart. I’d be looking for a stellium in Scorpio, a stellium in the 8th house, Pluto aspecting many personal planets, particularly if it’s on an angle..

An astrologer coined a phrase, “Outer Planet Person“. I heard it from, David Pond but I’m not sure he originated it. A person was considered an “OPP” if they had their Sun in a sign ruled by an outer planet, or had an outer planet prominent. “Prominent” was defined

Using that criteria, most people would qualify. This makes the concept meaningless. I feel the same way regarding the term “Plutonian”.

Even if you do meet some enhanced criteria it does not mean you are any good at using the energy. It’s like putting a bunch of kids in the same class with the same teacher. They have access to the same opportunity but some of of them are going to excel while others are going to under-perform.

If a person can stick a small seed (an idea or notion) in you and have it grow like Jack’s Beanstalk, they’re definitely a Plutonian regardless of what their chart says. Pluto = unfathomable power. If you have it but don’t use it then you’re ineffectual. I don’t care how many planets you have in Scorpio.

Anyone else?



“Am I A Plutonian?” Let’s Get Some Criteria Goin’ Here… — 138 Comments

  1. Yes, yes… I asked about Pluto, because I knew I was that underperforming student.

    I learn alot here. I’m grateful. It’s helping be more authentic day by day.

  2. I have stellium in the 8th, and midheaven scorpio. I am a musician who sees music as a form of power that needs to be used consciously. I dont really have the need to power trip people at all. But I do want to have social power….reach a big audience. I dont know if there is more of a powerful way to affect people than through music. Music is more alchemical to me, than just beauty. Anyone else have stellium 8ths? or scorpio midheaven?

    • I have stellium in the 8th but my midheaven is in sagittarius. I think you’re right when it comes to music, it can really affect an audience. I think music can serve as a source of power for the musician, especially if they’re trying to communicate something meaningful to the world.

    • Hey P,

      I have a tight Sun-Mars-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio in the 8th house, so I guess it also counts. I do feel a tremendous power over people at times, but only with one person at a time, never a crowd.
      Unfortunately I am not a musician, but music heals me.

  3. It would be hard to judge how Plutonian one is by your standard, although it sounds like a perfectly spiffy standard to me.

    [‘Neptune won’t let me see!’]

  4. I believe I appear plutonian to others, maybe, but not too sure if that fits me. I have pluto conjunt uranus in my 4th house with a yod configuration to my moon in the 9th and venus in the 2nd. I have neptune in scorp in the 6th house also with a square to my moon.

  5. Would a Scorpio ASC w/ 12th house Pluto be considered a plutonian “candidate”? I definitely feel it in me, but I know I’m not using it to my full potential. My childhood dream was to work in an insane asylumn.

    • I am impressed with your comment Shell. Your childhood dream was to work in an asylum.
      A scorpio asc with natal pluto in the 12th.
      What plans do have for a career today?

  6. p., my daughter has a stellium in the 8th, moon in scorpo conj. pluoto on the midheaven. i do consider her Plutonian. She’s young, and I don’t thinks she’s aware of the amount of energy at her disposal yet, but she is wise in how she does direct in from what i’ve seen so far. that makes me happy.

    she’s also extremely creative. music, drawing, writing, design. she just has a lot of that energy about her. too bad i don’t get to see most of what she does. ha! 🙂

  7. I’ve got Pluto trining Venus, squaring Sun and Mercury. But I’ve got all of the outer planets aspecting all of the personal planets, especially Venus, and I don’t know what that means in terms of this discussion. However, it happens every once in a while that I actually notice myself having way too strong of an effect on some people, to the point it even makes me a little uncomfortable. So I tone it down. And it happens quite often that when I meet new people, a lot of them immediately back away from me even though I haven’t done anything weird or mean. At least that I can see. I have always wondered why I sometimes get such a strong response from so many people – I don’t really like it. Perhaps it’s Pluto.

    My good friend has Pluto in her first house, and when she’s on, watch out. It’s like a switch with her – always there ready to be used, but rarely is she realizing that she’s using it.

  8. Shell, the insane asylum dream is very 12th house, and it would take a strong sort to handle that work, like Pluto. Did you get into powerful behind-the-scenes work in your career? Someone I know with a 12th house Pluto near the ascendant went into a ranking military career, for example. Scorpio asc might make you someone with an apparent image of self-authority, or someone whom others feel can see through others, a penetrating insight. Also, personally very interested in the idea that 12th house planets represent what is hidden from public view, co-existing with the notion that others can see this aspect of you better than you yourself can…the idea of the 12th house as being ‘veiled’. What do you think people notice in you about your Scorpio/Pluto? Do you think that this aspect of your identity is more mysterious to you or to other people?

  9. Elsa, thats funny I think we have alot of chart similarities….I think you are cap rising too. Ever posted your info? curious. 🙂 I think being “intense” and not afraid to “go there” are definite plutonian qualities…plus plutonian would have to be a constantly transforming type, but not necessarily extreme make-over, but more neurotic refinement. Also I am really excited by moments of “crisis” or real “heavy” situations. Mostly because I know it will change me for the better. And so yes, I cant wait for pluto to hit my asc. in a few days!! More power, right? Yes astrology and the knowledge=power you can get over situations/reality is definitely plutonian too. I was also thinking about how really powerful politicians have their midheaven in late degrees of scorpio… (I think Obama, and Putin have this).
    I was wondering how Ascendant in Sag people are dealing with the final days of Pluto’s residency there?

  10. I think Elsa has made a very good point.
    I know plenty of Scorpios and I do not think they are plutonian. I think steliums come in too play
    and 12th house rulership as well as planets in the 12th house aspecting Pluto. Plutonian to me is hidden below the surface. I look at the 12th house as the back of something. EX> you are walking someone is behind you but you can’t see them. There is an oil well in underground in your yard. You don’t know about it. Plutonian.
    You know something is under the ground, you know its there. like when someone is walking behind you. You know its there you just can’t see what it is. That is Pluto by itself. Plutonian.
    Now add other planets and it manifests in a different way. So perhaps there are degrees of plutonian. Negative aspects 2 people come to mind John Gacey, he dressed up like a clown and killed like 30 people and barried them under his house. And hitler..and evryone knows what he did.
    Today I have virgo blinders on and would like to have an example of positive plutonian if anyone could interject on this ?

  11. for me, pluto is an assistant- it resides in my 5th, in an exact trine to my ascendant. it also holds the same degree as my saturn, uranus, and neptune, all in different signs though.

    i don’t consider myself “plutonian” but i can be obsessive about plutonian things. hmmmm…

  12. Reality – a more positive plutonian:

    a friend of mine is a therapist who works at Bellevue in NYC. She did forensics and now works with the severely mentally insane, people who have killed because of delusions, etc. Who knows exactly how much she can accomplish, but she’s got 5 planets and her ascendant in Scorpio. What’s incredible to me is her easy going temperment and great sense of humor, because it covers how deep she constantly goes. She’s a person who I am sure gets things at that deeper, hidden level, and does so instinctually. Therefore she is comfortable around and curious about the types of people she works with in a mental hospital, and provides a service. Hope that makes sense!

  13. I know someone who has Scorpio as their Ascendant with Pluto in the 12th less than 1 degree from the Ascendant. This Pluto is also part of a Grand Water Trine that then turns into a kite (thanks to Pluto). I believe whole heartedly that this person is Plutonian.

  14. Stacey
    Its sounds plutonian by astrology definition.
    But please give an example of what character traits or activities that show glimmer of plutonian ?

  15. I have a Scorpio stellium, including my Sun and ASC, also my Pluto in the 12th house along with 5 other planets. I have always personally felt more Neptunian than Plutonian, which I put down to having so many planets in my 12th house. However, I am told by others that I am quite an intense person and will shortly be training to be a bereavement counsellor which is a Plutonian profession, I guess.

  16. Unfortunately, the character traits for this person are negative. He wants to be in control of others. He’s manipulative and a tad on the obsessive side. He’s also intense – nothing is ever done halfway, it’s either all the way, or not at all!

  17. I have four planets in Scorpio (two in the twelfth and two in the first), my ascendant in Scorpio, My Leo Pluto is in the ninth, highest planet in my chart, conjunct Saturn and square my ascendant and three of the planets in Scorpio. I consider myself a Plutonian and am proud of it. I do personal coaching– transformational work of various kinds. I am able to go to the heart of the issue my clients present and transform the energy in a very powerful and grounded way. All of the qualities of Scorpio (even though I have a lot of hard aspects) work very well for me and my clients.

  18. I have two Plutonian daughters. My older one is a Sag, but Pluto is exactly conjunct her Sun. She is very intense and deep, and has been since she was born.

    I remember showing her the Christmas tree the day we bought her home. She was staring very intensely at the Christmas lights. She didn’t blink once. She had this serious, intense look on her face while she took in the colors. She was only a day old!

    Her dreams are also dark and intense. She used to tell her class these stories when she was in preschool. Her teacher said that she’s make an excellent mystery or crime writer. How Pluto is that?

    My younger one is a Scorpio, with a Venus/Pluto conjunction (just like her Ma 😉 ). She’s much more happy-go-lucky and outgoing than her sister. Whether she turns out to be a true Plutonian remains to be seen.

  19. Moon conjuct neptune in scorpio. Pluto in the eighth house, trine the sun. I don’t know if that passes. I know I can create, reboot and revive when I need to, and I know I can just pull miracles out of nowhere sometimes.

    But mostly those aspects have kicked my ass.

      • Oh! I took her Mercury test and scored something ridiculous, like 10. Yet, I have written here every day for almost twenty years, never mind the emails, phone calls and conversations with neighbors. Something ain’t right about that.

  20. L. thanks. Are you sure the phrase originated with her? I ask because I heard David Pond use it in a workshop years ago and he did not credit her as I recall. He said, “I call them O, P, P’s – Outer Planet People.”

    I’m asking because I would like to give proper credit. Did Cunningham write it in one of her books maybe?

    • So. All of my outer planets are in top of my chart and ALL are retrograde. All of my inner planets are in the bottom of my chart and NONE are retrograde. Am I an OPP person (plus…?) or just, something else??? I realize that I am responding to a post almost ten years old, but I am really trying to learn more about my puzzling chart!

  21. And just to complete the story… he asked people in the workshop if they were OPP’s and pretty much every hand shot up but mine. I was probably the biggest freak in the room but this was unbeknownst to me. I used to think I was normal see.

    I also did not find out I looked Italian until I was almost 30 and when I did I asked my sister, “For how long? When did I start looking Italian?” I asked. She was aghast and I couldn’t figure why… I didn’t figure out why for at least 5 years, maybe 10.

    These things are facts.

  22. Outer planet person… LOL. Don’t know who might have said it first, not sure it matters, suspect that phrases that get used have been used for decades and more, & don’t think anyone can copywrite a phrase anyway, but the whole thing strikes me funny just by concept. ‘Outer planet person’ because it seems a very fine line (by my own twisted thinking) between ‘outer planet person, ‘out there person’ ‘other worldly person’ and any number other wild ideas come to mind.

    I can see a Loonsounds humor on ‘outer planet people’ versus ‘inner planet people’ but someone else could probably write it funnier.

  23. Oh, hmm. I guess I’m not 100% sure that she was the first, if others have used it too. And I don’t have most of her books so I can’t check earlier writings – I just know on her website she has several e-books specifically about ‘outer planet people,’ and she uses the term a lot. So maybe scratch that as definitive proof.

    Funny about the workshop response. Ah, everyone wants to be an OPP except the people who actually are…

  24. I know I’m Plutonian. And I have a very close relationship (someone I think who would be, in Elsa-speak, my soldier – though he’s not a soldier, but a musician) … who is also. Our energy together is like soul mates. But I think it’s really just that Pluto / spiritual connection. We fear not each others wounds. And bond by them instead. Even if he ends up marrying someone else, he’s still mine. And I’m still his. If not this life time than the next. And we both agree this the case.

    I have first house house Pluto conjunct Mercury plugged into a grand trine. He has a stellium in the 8th with Scorpio rising.

    What P says echoes very closely what he describes, in regards to music. He needs music to search and live out his soul.

    I agree with Elsa that “Plutonian” would just be a way of saying that you have Pluto energy somehow dominating your chart. I have become fascinated by it, and bought a bunch of book on it … why? Because I think it’s so great and powerful? No. Because I want to heal.

    Because I’m tired of being walking wounded. Because I’m tired of having people run away when I speak as my authentic self. Because I’m ready to authenticate “out loud” with out being shot … meaning, I’m ready to stop being alien among everyone else. I talk about death and the spirit world and karma and how meaningless this all may or may not be … as easily as most people have those elevator conversations about “what’s the weather?”. I can find out in about 1 minute if someone believes in god and can get them questioning their religion in about 1 minute more in an alternative elevator conversation. And is that powerful?

    Sure. But power is just like anything else, just like a pencil or a gun or plate. It’s just a tool. And in the words of Ani Difranco, “Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.” But any tool can also be a salve if you hold it right. I think Pluto just packs a bigger punch.

    I also think that bigger is better mentality is short-sighted. Sometimes it is better, and sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I’ve wished my Uranus qualities were more accessible than my Pluto ones. I feel like I have to go into so many situations in my life with a canon when I just wish I had a stun gun. I detonate relationships I meant to just shake up.

    I respect my Pluto energy. But it hurts. And it’s hard.

  25. I agree with Reality in regards to knowing some Scorpios who aren’t very Plutonian. Of course, I’ve known Scorpios who are the epitome of their sign but I’ve also known people who are very Plutonian and their Sun, Moon and AC are in other signs. I think it all depends on the overall natal chart and how it works together. For me personally I would consider myself Plutonian in some aspects of my life. The Moon is my chart ruler and it’s in the 8th house. I have Mars in the 8th house as well. I have Venus opposition Pluto by less than 1 degree and Scorpio on the cusp of the 5th house. When it comes to love and romantic relationships, I am very Plutonian. In all the other areas of my life, I’m not really Plutonian at all. I have my Sun in Aries and my Moon in Aquarius and in all the areas of my life, except for love and romance, I really identity with those two signs tremendously.

  26. Althera, it’s almost eerie how much your experiences are like mine regarding sharing my authentic self, feeling alien to others, and coming on too strong when I don’t need to do so.

  27. Missed this previously. Stellium in Scorp, first house Pluto– does this mean I can….


    Mwahhhh…(the pixie dust is just a cover..)


  28. Undertaking my “Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove” World Tour is a recent decision, so I’m not sure where to begin. But yes, the magic carpets there are very convenient for surveying the lay of the land, so strategically you may be on to something.

    I will keep you posted of my movements, even though this is a public forum. The anti-world-taker-overs don’t believe in astrology, they think we’re too lovey-dovey and new age to do things like this, so they’d never think to check here for information.

    Off to Google maps!!

  29. Great! Best to let them believe that it is still a male dominated world. Little do they know what is really happening. They would never think to look beneath the veil. Can you project your voice so that it sounds like it is coming from a different direction? Poetry, Beauty, Magic and all that is Sacred will win in the end, especially with Gaia on our side.

  30. It’s definitely a continuum. I know some people who have extra Pluto in their charts who don’t seem to use it all that much. I have never identified, but I’ve realized slowly that my Mercury conjunct Pluto and my NN and Uranus in Scorpio produce more ‘Plutonicity’ than I previously realized.

  31. SaDiablo – thank you:) Hugs back.

    Jessica – I have NN and Uranus in Scorpio with that Mercury/Pluto conjunction too!! Hmmm. There is no escape, eh?:)

  32. I have a 1st house Scorpio stellium (Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus) while Pluto is conjunct my Sun and ASC, sextile my Mars, and square my MC.

    On the positive side, one can transform both their own lives as well as others’ for the greater good through sheer will and emotional strength. A fine example for this would be my job as a special education teacher and the assistance I provide to a very underserved part of society.

    On the negative side, that emotional strength can also lead to emotional power plays in every type of relationship and intense self-analysis and self-hatred that is very difficult to break.

    I like to say that I have already lived several lives because of the transformations that I undergo every few years that set me on a totally new path: I hate to change but know that it is inevitable.

  33. PixieDust – on Pluto in the first – this is a snippet what it says in the Steven Forrest book (“The Book of Pluto”) …

    “The first house is a very sensitive area. A planet there is said to be very strong in the birth chart. While we all have Pluto in our charts, it would be fair to single you out as a markedly “Plutonian” person even from very early in life … Anything in the first house tends to radiate visibly and obviously … people around you often let you symbolize [the Pluto related] part of life for them … they’ll have a tendency to project their discomfort on to you, naming you the “bad” one: you’re “too intense”, “too psychological”, “too sexual,” “too morbid”, whatever … this is part of the wound you carry.”

    It goes on to say that to heal, you must face the dark and then learn to express what is learned to at least one other person. And also, that there is an opportunity to provide leadership, after healing/integration when in situations where others are ready for or can benefit from someone comfortable with Pluto-related matters.

    Thought I’d share since I am studying this in particular. One thing that I find interesting, is that in one of the books I’ve got, the Pluto in the first section is underlined. And in another, it is the section the book flips open to (both bought used). It makes me think I’m not the first Pluto in the first person to go looking for help in healing!:)

  34. Thank you, Althea! That’s very interesting, especially the leadership part. I also have Uranus in the 1st, so I often feel that some of my own personal transformations can and have been helpful to other people when I have shared my experiences, and I don’t mind going out on a limb and having people think I’m weird by recounting them. (The Scorp is Sun, Merc and Neptune) I’m good at getting people to see the benefit of their hardships and to recognize their growth through change. People find me healing; maybe for you, too, it’s that idea that we learn what we need to know by teaching? I would guess that the more you explore healing, the more help you are to others, and the more you heal yourself.

    Emotionally, we can go anywhere, and that is a tremendous advantage when we are so sensitive to our environments. We Pluto types are hard to kill– we just rise up again! Perhaps our example provides hope for others who have less faith in the process.

    Thanks again!

  35. PixieDust – that is very inspirational. I very much like that idea of providing hope.

    I am just beginning to consciously try to integrate this. I don’t think of myself as healing for others, but maybe I will become more so as I do heal myself.

    Thank you!!

  36. I wouldn’t say I’m Plutonian, but it certainly dominates my love life.

    If you use the Equal House system, like Elsa does, it falls in my 5th house.

    I have a Venus/Pluto conjunction, but Venus also aspects Uranus (conjunction) and Neptune (sextile).

    Pluto has kicked my ass through transits, though. I had a Pluto/Moon transit at a very young age. It crossed my DSC when I was a young teen. It squared my Sun/Mars conjunction when I was in college. I certainly felt “Plutonian” when I was young, looking back. There were plenty of times when I felt I was rising from ashes.

  37. hm.
    interesting way of describing it.
    i’ll be thinking about that for awhile now… it’s kind of my main goal as a teacher of 12 year olds… that planting of seeds….

  38. I would definitely say I am “Plutonian”… Scorpio Rising with Pluto conjunct Ascendant. My Gemini Sun, Mercury, and Chiron are all in the eighth house, as well as Venus but it is at 15 degrees Cancer.

    My Sun is in the Scorpio Decante and my Venus and Jupiter are both at the Scorpio Dwads.

    However, despite this and my newly adorned Pluto tattoo on my back I would agree with you Elsa when you say “I’ll go even further and offend even more people by saying that even if you do meet some enhanced criteria it does not mean you are any good at using this energy.”

    That is definitely the truth… I find that I have utilized this energy best when pushing myself mentally, physically and emotionally to my limits. I don’t do anything half-way and when I make a decision I follow through and cannot be stopped.

    However, I feel that this Plutonian energy I have has also manifested in my life by allowing to change and transform many many times at such a young age, and I am still transforming and changing.

    Unfortunately the one issue I have with the Plutonian energy is finding someone who understands me on a romantic and spiritual level. I have friends who are similar but I have yet to find a partner who can “handle” my energy or even match it… maybe one day but as for now I will do my best to be content with what I have.

  39. i believe i carry that energy with me. i have to work hard not to scare people away or become too dark… & i definitely haven’t used the energy as well as i could, yet. my (few) close friends have all let me know at some point that i changed their lives, but i can’t pinpoint how exactly i’ve done it. so one thing i want to work on is my intention and objectivity. until getting more involved in my chart reading i didn’t realize i had *any* plutonian energy and was always puzzled when people (especially adults who treated me with an odd amount of respect and reserve) commented on how “calm, clear, and mature” i was. what? i felt like a burgeoning thunderstorm at every second. also it was always a puzzle to me as to why i seemed to intimidate without trying… kind of a lonely feeling to scare people without trying or knowing why. until i came to recognize this, i had a bit of a vendetta against scorpios. we would end up in power struggles, biting each other’s head off and eventually keeping our distance to save the annoyance. i finally recognized that i loathed it because it was in ME. i then, by fate, became friends (blurred definition) with a plethora of scorpios within the space of few months who pretty much changed my life, and now i get it. so let’s see…

    pluto in scorpio in the 4th house, scorpio in the fifth house, and moon square pluto. working most of it out, going through another emotional transformation as of late, this time to solve the problem my venus in cancer in the 12th house causes. total overhaul to make this one happen.

  40. You know you’re plutonian when after you’ve said something, everyone around you is suddenly completely silent and you sense their discomfort, but you are not the slightest bit uncomfortable for what you’ve just said.

    – Pluto conjunct Mercury in the 1st

  41. “Anyone who can stick a small seed in you (an idea or notion) and have it grow like Jack’s Beanstalk is definitely a Plutonian regardless of what their chart says.”

    Oh how this statement resonates with me!

    As someone born with Pluto in Scorpio in the 4th house(yes-childhood trauma & survival)square Ascendant,opposite 10th house Mercury,trine 11th house Moon,I have a profound understanding of plutonian energy

    With Natal Pluto in the fourth house,I was basically thrust into the underworld upon entering this world.As a child,I couldn’t understand why all the other kids were so carefree.All I knew was that I had to survive somehow…but how?
    As pluto in the 4th suggests-home was a place to fear.Mother was a cold and abusive figure and her energy dominated the household.My childhood was fraught with emotional and physical abuse–if I was sick I would get beaten by my mother. Dear Pluto is EXTREME.

    Enter my teenage years-Marijuana and alcohol abuse,physical fights with mother,cops and all that good stuff

    WOW was I rebellious in HS.I challenged all my teachers(pluto square ascendant?)I just needed to speak my truth(pluto opposite merc?).I couldn’t understand why my classmates didn’t challenge the system.I probably got suspended more times than any student in history-but for some reason they wouldn’t kick me out. My teachers couldn’t understand why I skipped class yet would come on test days and ace the tests.
    Boy was I manipulative!When I was arguing with a teacher, I knew how to speak “on their level”(acutely aware of the powerful use of language).I was always engaged in a power struggle with an authority figure and as a teen I loved it.

    Dealing with Pluto in the 4th as a teen was challenging.I was ALWAYS high-it helped suppress “that feeling” of being “intensely aware”.I would have convos with my peers and I realized something was off.I was always penetrating a situation or person to the bone-and they weren’t.That type of perception is crippling as a teen.To my closest friends I was somewhat of a counsel–to the rest of the student body I was a BADASS.
    I didn’t date in HS at all.Guys found me attractive but I despised the attention(pluto square leo ascendant?)I felt completely misunderstood–I had many “friends” but I couldn’t connect with anyone on an intimate level.I also wouldn’t allow anyone to connect with me on that level.I was always suppressing any emotion that would surface.I recall a male friend once saying “It’s like you don’t let anyone get close to you”–those words describe my teenage years.

    Enter adulthood.
    The year I turned 18 my life changed. Not so much externally-but more so my inner world.It really happened overnight-once day I stopped smoking weed and was transferred into an independent study program to complete my remaining HS credits.I became very focused and also VERY quiet.I no longer was interested in challenging anyone and realized my perception was not appreciated by teachers or my peers-I kept my insights to myself.
    I also grew VERY CALM(Taurus Sun).I had poise people my age didn’t-the way I spoke changed.Everyone noticed.For the first time in my life I felt “in control”and in good way.I was aware and focused.In college I was focused(didn’t party) and excelled but developed a fear of speaking in public(again pluto-mercury), I would communicate through essays instead.Also, I couldn’t relate to my peers-I was 20 years old but could only relate to adults. I felt alienated more than ever.I still wasn’t dating and was still suppressing feelings. But I was “in control” and that’s all that mattered or so I thought.
    When I entered the workplace post college I CAME ALIVE.I loved to work(mars in cap 6th, Sun in 10th).I noticed ways of IMPROVING things(pluto!)but I kept quiet because I didn’t want to be noticed.

    I’ve had wonderful opportunities of meeting energy workers and gurus in my early early twenties(jupiter in piscies end of 8th house)who have helped me start the journey of HEALING.

    At 23 I was offered a position to manage and help build a business(sun, merc,north node Aries 10th house)and I was enthralled.The Business became MY LIFE;nothing else existed.
    I was in a position where I had to speak my thoughts and I no longer did so in a threatening manner-I now owned pluto-mercury.For the first time in my life, I didn’t feel alienated and my perception didn’t feel crippling.My opinion was actually respected.I felt like I BELONGED with these ADULTS in the business world.For the first time in my life I was truly ALIVE & HAPPY.

    I was finally using that PLUTO power constructively,that is, in the business world.I was just INTENSELY focused on building and building this business.

    I had unshakable confidence-nothing rattled me.Adults couldn’t understand where this confidence and poise came from, and why at 22 I came across as if I was past 30..but how could they? Pluto in the 4th ensures you never experience “being a child”.

    Once you put in the work PLUTO AWARDS you with a CORE SECURITY and WISDOM that cannot be touched.What bothers most people won’t ever bother you-after all..you’ve survived the worst-everything pales and will pale in comparison. You are a soldier.That type of confidence is threatening to people and this is why Plutonians struggle in the social sphere-people pick up on that INTENSE CONFIDENCE and cannot fathom why you should be so confident and so they CHALLENGE YOU in their own personal way. It’s important NOT TO ENGAGE in EGO BATTLES-this is not what PLUTO is about.
    I see unevolved Scorpios misuse the power of PLUTO in the workplace all the time-to control, manipulate, and have leverage over people, no matter the cost.Pluto will not allow you to get away with this-you WILL self-destruct this way.Pluto is not a PERSONAL planet as we all know and therefore it’s energy is not meant to be used to bid OUR WILL, it is meant to TRANSFORM what is stagnant and decaying in our global compass.

    SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE AN EVOLVED Plutonian? I am 25 and so far this is my personal understanding of Plutonian energy…

    You understand and just KNOW a persons psyche instantly, yet you don’t use that knowledge to manipulate or control them. You ACCEPT that they are on their own personal path and leave it at that.You DO NOT try to CHANGE them but they will probably be changed by meeting you anyway.

    You KNOW your words are powerful and influential and you don’t use them to manipulate people but to INSPIRE and EMPOWER them.

    You let go of CONTROL and ALLOW yourself to be vulnerable.You WILL get hurt but you KNOW you will be alright.

    You don’t FEAR because there is NOTHING to fear.

    You take risks and you Know you MAY fail but you also KNOW you WILL eventually SUCCEED.

    You SEE LIFE and opportunities for growth EVERYWHERE.

    Dear PLutonians,

    You Are STRONG and yes that insight can be a burden-sometimes you wish you could be innocent and naive as some people but dont be jaded– UNDERSTAND you are here to EFFECT CHANGE on this hurting mother Earth.You give hope to people where hope is lost.You are the flicker of LIGHT-the burning FLAME.That’s a big task..I know.But with Pluto on your side..you have the amazing ability to MANIFEST your VISION.

    Don’t forget to have fun on your challenging journey-Earth is a beautiful place to be.

  42. i was told i am but i refused to acknowledge. i’m still looking and searching for the latest fix or update to the plutonian bug to become an IPP (Inner Planet Person)….lol! i know help is on the way. if you happen to find me with the rest of the OPP, i was just helping them…:-D

  43. j,

    i love your post, very inspiring. i wish i was as evolved as you when i was your age. i did worked on my temperamental tendency but it is a working progress. i’m much more calmer now, i guess i learned my lessons and got tired beating myself up.

  44. Well, I can direct energy, so that means I’m a Plutonian. Never considered myself one before though. I have Mars in the 8th, Pluto trine Venus and MC, Pluto semisquare Moon, Pluto oppose Jup. I tend to stay away from the real Scorpio or Plutonian types.

  45. @Elsa
    Do you count asteroids?
    Because if you count asteroids (Vesta, Ceres, Juno) I have a stellium in my 8th. Otherwise, I just have Pluto on an angle forming the tightest aspect in my chart, aspecting the Sun, Mars and Neptune and with minor aspects to everything except Saturn.

    If a thought gets in my head and stays there I just fixate for what seems like forever.

  46. Shahti, generally speaking, I’d not consider asteroids but again, it’s what people can do with what they’ve got. If you can thread a needle, then you can thread a needle.

    For example, I am not an Aquarius. I have no planets in the sign, nor do I have any planets in the 11th, however I am a pretty good example of of an rebellious eccentric.

    What I am saying is we all have access to this energy, it’s just that some make hay with what they’ve got and others are almost inert in comparison.

    • I am pretty sure any contact of Uranus(the ruler is Aquarius) with any personal planet (Sun, Moon, Merc,Venus, Mars) or Asc or MC, etc would make someone carry Uranian Energy. Uranus is about freedom, rebellion, humanity. Perhaps, you do have aspects in your personal planet with Uranus, whether it be conjuct, opposite, square, trine or sextile. I know someone whose chart does not have water(Cancer, Scorpio or Pisces) and only has Pluto in 8th, yet she is so emotionally sensitive, empath and absorb people’s emotion like sponge even though she is Aqua moon where she supposed to have detached emotion and analyze her emotion on intellectual level. Turn out that she has Aqua moon conjuct Aqua Neptune. It is equal as having Pisces moon or moon in 12th house.

      Hope this helps.

      • Agree with everything you say. Would you also agree that:
        Anyone who has Uranus and/or Aquarius active in their natal chart, will feel a love that’s not only personal but community-oriented?

        That would show:
        1.) if you have any planets, or Rahu or Ketu in the 11th house, or
        2.) if you have planets in the house where Aquarius is on the cusp


  47. My Daughter has Plutonian energy, she is a Cappy but she has planets in Scorpio and her sun and chiron conj is in the 8th house. She is who she is. And everyone knows it. She comes across as a powerful child.

  48. Thanks Elsa for this post. This and all comments here are very important to me now. The Pluto’s transit are squaring my Natal Pluto, and since this aspect begun I discovered my plutonian personality and the Pluto influence in all my life. I have Marte, Neptuno and true node in 8th with Sagittarius. Sun is at 29 of this house, so we can read sun here (in 8th) or at 9th with Mercury at 0. I have too Pluto (in 6th) squaring Venus, Pluto squaring Saturn, and Venus opposing Saturn. All planets in cardinal signs. So T squares involving Pluto are very common in my life, but I’ve never had this so clear like now. In fact with Sag influence all things are always ok for me, the things are hard but always ok. A happen is always a way to growth. People with a proeminent Scorpio in your charts are constant in my life and I am always helping (like a counselor) people with a very hard personalities or plutonian problems in their lives. Finally now I am discovering the importance of theirs in my life. In fact, they were helping me to find my true way. Their lives and their problems the true counselors and not me.

  49. I can relate to some of that, j, but I finally grew jaded. I haven’t had unshakable confidence since the age of five, but I did have optimism, and I was mature for my age.

  50. From my personal experience I think your criteria are right on. I am a “Pluto aspecting many personal planets” Plutonian. I would also add Pluto on an angle as a criterion. My Pluto sits in a 1st house stellium on my Leo Ascendant, conjunct the Sun, Venus and Mercury, and is the focal point of a t-square to Jupiter in the 10th and Scorpio Mars in the 4th. One of my kids has a Pluto stellium on the Midheaven but with trines to it, very public persona, and intense career. Mine more a mundane personal “transformation,” but both textbook Pluto paths.

    Sitting 2 feet from my desk on a shelf are well-worn copies of: Forrest’s- Book of Pluto, Jeff Green’s-Pluto The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul, and Cunningham’s-Healing Pluto Problems. Highly recommend them all!

    On the one hand I would say don’t worry about figuring out if you are Plutonian, PLUTO FINDS YOU!! But one of the most illuminating things I did was to track my life changes as Pluto transited from house to house. A regular meditation practice while Pluto stomped through my Scorpio 4th house (and conjuncting Mars) kept me from murdering someone, I’m sure. And although I once read, “Pluto conjunct your moon doesn’t always mean your mother dies,” …sometimes it does. Pluto finds you.

  51. Well, not sure … the quincthingy to the Asc is a bit on the wide side, the square to the MC very much so, there’s a trine to Mars, humm and a sesqui to the sun and an under 1° opp to BML. A sextile to 8th house Neptune. But I do have Dsc and NN in Scorpio.

    However, if the main criteria is someone else seeding and me growing a stalk from it, well the stalk’s still growing. And trying to feed the planting person.

  52. Well I am not sure which planetary aspect I would give presidence in my chart. I have a huge neptune influence BUT in my chart there is not 1 planet that does not aspect at least 1 other planet.

    I was given so great guidance when I started class last year. My instructor stopped a session I was doing with her … she was concerned for me. She said I had an advanced ability to know what the client needed and do the work but that in the process I was taking on other peoples stuff and for my own well being that had to change. I had to ground and not use my own energy but be the conduit instead, the tool not the scource. My neptune was being used naturally to obsorb and reduce others pain and stress. My Pluto was used spuratically. By learning to ground and encourage the plutotonian process I hold less of people stuff and it actually frees my neptune (intuition/transcendance) to do its work more effectively.

    In my chart Neptune rules my sun and the 10th.

    My sun sextiles my 12th house(neptune) mars in taurus(venus ruled).

    Both mars and sun are inconjunct uranus in libra(venus ruled) in the 5th(sun ruled). Making a yod

    My venus is in aries(mars ruled) in the 11th(uranus ruled)
    Venus is inconjunct my moon in scorpio(pluto ruled) and my Pluto in libra(venus ruled) from the 4th (moon ruled) making another yod

    Pluto squares my Jupiter in 8th(plutos house)

    Pluto opposes my 10th house Merc (my chart ruler)

    Pluto Trines my ASC

    Pluto trines my North Node

    Neptune is conjunct my 7th cusp in sag. Sags ruler (jupiter) is in my 8th house

    Neptune opposes my ASC.

    Neptune opposes my saturn (which is conj my ASC from the 12th)

    Neptune sextiles my Pluto

    Neptune conjuncts my moon

    Neptune trines my merc

    Neptune inconjunct my venus

    All this to say that the ruler of my chart, the ruler of my sun and the ruler of my moon SERIOUSLY NEED each other.

    “I’ve had wonderful opportunities of meeting energy workers and gurus in my early early twenties(jupiter in piscies end of 8th house)who have helped me start the journey of HEALING.”

    With my pluto square pluto wraping up I was blessed this way as well. I am so thankful!

    “that insight can be a burden-sometimes you wish you could be innocent and naive as some people but dont be jaded– UNDERSTAND you are here to EFFECT CHANGE on this hurting mother Earth.”

    All I can say to this is Amen 🙂

  53. i have pluto conjunct my ascendant. i was never diagnosed but i do suspect that i have aspergers syndrome.

    bella, you are right about pluto will find you. i have been surrounded by alot of plutonian people since i was young who tried to control and dominate me but their gas lighting technic had no effect and didn’t bothered me. instead, they got tired or got frustrated, gave up and took a seat.

    i’ve been told many times that “i never get it”. my response, i wasn’t even trying to get it to begin with. i was just busy thinking how i can get to the top with the least amount of time and effort and when i figured it out, i stood up, climbed up. didn’t even bothered to turn my head to check if they are still standing or sitting.

    for me, the most important is the end result and reaching one’s personal record or goal. i would rather have a slow start, reserve my energy while brain storming as opposed to run out of gas that would force me to sit down due to exaustion.

    life is like a race, you run to reach the finish line not race to bring other runners down. if you decide to do the later part, you can be busy STANDING while other passes you by. most common mistake people do, remember “misery loves company”.

  54. Everybody’s got a Pluto signature. It’s generational.

    All I know is that I am not Pluto in Leo (Baby Boomers) or before that Pluto in Cancer (String Savers, the Great Depression people, my parents.)

    All I’ve ever known is that I’m a Pluto in Virgo.(The self help ’70’s people aka the Do It Your Selfers.)
    In my opinion the Pluto in Virgo generation is stuck with picking up after the Pluto in Leo parade…on several levels.

  55. My sun is at 16d Scorpio. Venus and MC at 10d Scorpio. Pluto at 7d Scorpio and Mercury at 24d Scorpio. All in the 10th except Pluto slightly in 9th.

    Am I Plutonian? Of course not. If I was a doctor I’d have the entire neighborhood at my door with every scratch, bump and whimper.

    I’d like to suppress it forever, but that’s impossible in the 10th house, isn’t it?

  56. I have pluto aspects to my asc, sun, mars, and venus and also have uranus at 29 scorpio. I don’t know if that qualifies me but I feel fairly plutonian and have been mistaken for a scorpio before. I am very sensitive to power dynamics in everyday situations and am very critical of authority and misuses of power.

  57. @autumn- You will never magnetize more than you can handle. We are still confined by natural law. But, as you increase your magnetism (maintain your health in adulthood), life will offer you continuous opportunity to face this ability. You may as well find a healthy way to use it.

    In my experience as a scorpio stellium caregiver, it is possible to heal every scratch, bump and whimper that appears at my door. Sadly, most people are rather attached to their problems and are not interested in the transformation their bodies are signaling them to make, so they just show up with another bump, etc. a week later.

    Please don’t suppress it. There is so much transformation work to be done and I don’t want to do it alone. People are needing more hand holding than ever these days. And besides, there isn’t anything more satisfying… that can be done in the public sphere at least.

    • THIS is the best answer I have ever seen BRAVO. I too have a stellium in scorpio venus ,mercury, and pluto as well as my sun. Being a plutonian is a big responsibility it was always meant to be used to help people lost in the darkness. Being able to feel the energy around you and seeing how you can move it to help those around you is what I think being a plutonian is all about.

  58. As far as criteria goes when it comes to Plutonian energy, I think that it is dangerous if it is not channeled properly. Marie Curie had a stellium in scorpio. She died of exposure to radiation, after making huge transformative contributions to physics and medicine with the discovery and research of radium and polonium.

    Where sagg would potentially get away with having some energy and not using it…. scorpio does not get away with anything, lest one is willing to live in a formidable hell.

    Using the classroom analogy: If there were a classroom of students full of potential plutonian ability, it would only take one of them to get the hang of it before the rest would be secretly copying their notes because none of them want to live in the world they are trying to survive in without some skill set to work with. Their eyes are already looking skyward and the power to propel them to the top is at a rolling boil in a capped pressure cooker. It’s actually painful for the individual to not figure it out.

    The real issue of this potential not being realized is that modern culture is distracting from what is really important. Our most sacred acts have been exploited. Boundaries and structures of all institutions (social, financial, etc.) are in the throws of being redefined. There is no human authority worthy of being followed. That safe human classroom doesn’t exist. But natural law does prevail and there won’t be opportunity for those with plutonian ability to misuse their power and get very far without personal consequences… crashing and burning, rising from the ashes, over and over, until the constant personal transformations become exhausting and doing the right thing becomes the only real choice.

    The beanpole ultimately must be used to pull everyone else up, too, not to try to touch the sun.

  59. I’m so glad to read an objective post on Plutonian people (as opposed to Chirotic Journal’s Pluto-bashing description of a few days ago).
    My understanding is that what makes a difference in terms of how we behave in this world is not the astrological content of our chart as much as our level of consciousness. You can take 2 identical Plutonian charts, for instance, and have 1 saint and 1 a psychopath. We all have the free will to use our planetary positions for our own benefit and advancement or to put it to use for the greater good.
    Another point I wanted to make is that a strong Pluto can make you a victim rather than a bully if you don’t naturally accept this power or know how to reign it in.
    I have a stellium in the 7th house with Black Moon Lilith, Uranus, Mars all in Leo followed by North Node, Pluto and Moon in Virgo. It ain’t no walk in the park.
    I’ve turned 50 this year and feel like a major turnaround is taking place, but I attribute it to my coming Chiron return which heals all the wounds of the 7th house and enables me to connect to my personal power and Pluto, at last. This of course is not for the sake of domination or control, but rather the opposite: to learn to let go and find the wisdom of detachment with love.


  60. Stellium in the 8th House, and Moon in exact conjunction to Pluto trining the stellium. I believe that probably makes me “Plutonian” – LOL

  61. I did the colorscope on the astrodienst and it said my chart is primary neptune and second strongest planet is pluto. I only pluto in third house (leo) and dont understand where this pluto comes from. also, I am pisces sun,moon and merc and midheaven..I’m so not powerful.

  62. I have Pluto conjunct my late Libra ascendant and Sun (Pluto on the 12th house side, the Sun in the 1st house) plus a Scorpio stellium (Moon, Mercury, Venus, & Uranus) in the 1st house. I am, indeed, Plutonian forevermore.

    I do agree with many of the earlier posters who say one will be bullied, manipulated, or paralyzed by this energy until you know how to manage it positively. It’s rather like being Harry Potter and honing one’s natural skills at Hogwarts (and it’s no coincidence that Jo Rowling is also very Plutonian).

  63. Let me tell you something about Plutonian people… they won’t tell you much of anything. They’re certainly highly unlikely to go on a public forum and spill their guts about their lives and about their methods.

    • IT is not so much that we wont tell you it is more that we know whether you are receptive to what we are willing to share with you and I can tell you things I scarcely believe myself. As far as methods there none it is either there or it is not it is part of your very fiber it is as natural as breathing and to be honest it sometimes more a curse than blessing for every ten people you try to help 9 will feel threatened and one will be receptive and appreciate the hand up but that one person makes it worth doing

  64. Pluto on my AC, conjuncts Uranus and my moon, trines Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and sextile Neptune. That’s pinging lots of stuff. As far as being secretive, absolutely, even about mundane things, even just for the hell of it. Not sure but that might be a mixture of Pluto and the Virgo (secret or double lives) stellium in my 1H (Pluto’s in Virgo). I like it. I like to walk around like the quiet boss sometimes, shooting “don’t mess with me” vibes. ;D

  65. I’ve got Pluto in the 8th house along with Uranus. It’s also one of the points of a kite formation. I’d say I have *some* awareness of Plutonian “power” but would love to see an in depth article on the subject.

    • I know a really gifted shamanic witch who has Pluto and Uranus in the 8th. She can travel psychically to peoples’ hells and retrieve lost soul parts for them. She can also remove psychic attachments and intrusions from a person’s energy body, and do exorcisms (with the caveat that the earth-based spiritual paths that we follow don’t approach these things in a dualistic “Christian” fashion). In exchange for being able to bring such a deep level of healing and wholeness to people, she has undergone many traumatic “deaths,” both of the ego, and literally, when she was in a terrible car accident a few years ago. Pluto/Uranus 8th grants access to incredible power, but my friend has paid, and continues to pay, a high personal price in exchange for the ability to access that kind of power.

      • @cypress, i know this is old but this makes me wonder what kind of price they pay to go into the depths of hell and retrieve lost souls? It’s not like they want to have that gift. I don’t think personally that people just all of a sudden say ‘hey i’m gonna embrace this gift and use it for good” it’s not that easy.

  66. Hi Elsa, fan of your site!
    Born with Mars/Uranus Conjunct with Pluto in 1st House Virgo, Pluto also Trines MidHeaven/Sun both in Taurus.

  67. i have always been a healer working with deeply abused pilates, a teacher a shaker up of the status quo. pluto in first house square my moon in taurus mars in fourth square my rising( leo) lots of t squares

  68. my chart says probably. but i spent a few too many years getting gaslighted by a 12th house scorpio stellium who had delusions of plutonium (and no spine for struggle) to have a good perspective on it. i like the concept of being able to completely recreate oneself. that i can do. and having an instinct towards survival and seeing into the centers of things.
    but i get regularly perplexed that things that are obvious to me aren’t to other people. so, i really don’t know. i don’t know what that is.

  69. I feel Plutonian, indeed! It’s actually one aspect of my chart I can truly feel/understand. Even though Pluto is placed 10th (position wise) and 3rd (aspect wise) ranking 7th overall but only 8.6% of my chart (I can’t believe it’s so low). Mind you – I’m not using anything beyond Sun/Moon/Mercury/Venus/Neptune/Mars/Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus/Chiron/NN. Here is why and I feel it VERY much. I have two grand trines that include Pluto at the apex (Pluto/Mars/Venus & Pluto/Mars/Neptune), Pluto conjuncts my NN less than 2 degrees. Pluto opposes my Moon (exactly) and SN by less than 2 degrees. I even have my Sun Quintile Pluto. My IC is Scorpio with Uranus in Scorpio conjuncting it from the 3rd house (which is ALSO the house my Pluto is in). Aside from my NN – it’s THE only thing in Libra. I think this Walter D. Pullen underestimates Pluto’s power within my chart. Pluto is truly an amazing force. The bodyguard, confidant and right-hand-woman of my essence, for sure.

  70. Pluto on an angle… I have lived with that “subterranean,” Plutonian sense of pressure and doom my whole life (I’m in my early 50’s now). I have Pluto/4th closely conjunct the IC, which also means Pluto is square my AC and DC, and opposite my MC. My Pluto also sextiles Neptune, conjuncts Uranus, biquintiles my 8th house Saturn closely conjunct South Node, opposes Jupiter and Chiron on my MC, semi-squares my Mars, and quincunxes my Sun.

    I also have Saturn making aspects to Chiron and all of my outer planets.

    Unquestionably I’m an Outer Planet Person, though my inner planets are challenged, as well: Moon and Venus in Scorpio (the Pluto/Scorpio connection, of course), and Mars in Cancer. The only ostensibly “happy” thing in my chart, at first glance, is sun in Libra; and come to find out, she has Black Moon Lilith right next door (1 degree orb).

    A sun sign alone tells so little about a person’s astrological story.

  71. I have a tight conjunction of Mercury Neptune and Venus in Scorpio in the fifth house. Mercury and Venus are the lords of my 12 house
    Mercury is in mutual reception w Pluto in Virgo, which i believe to be one of my most powerful gifts. The gift of discernment.
    I spent some time in the underworld,gangs,drugs prison,violence etc. before I had my awakening and near death experience in a foreign country 83/84

  72. Being Plutonian isn’t some treat, some fantastical personality of magic and allure.
    It’s knowing that you live a life of misery and pain all in the name of transformation and enlightenment

    Being Plutonian is knowing what it is to walk side by side with the darkest version of death, and learning to not fear … to not hide and run but rather embrace and contain.
    It’s the lesson of how to balance the duality of the world; darkness/light female/masculine etc

    Being Plutonian means your whole life is set as never ending tests in order to become a warrior.

    Do you think it’s fun to know exactly what a person is feeling and thinking before they even glance your direction?
    It’s not. It’s intrusive.
    And having to bear others pain guilt shame anger …

    Having everyone either hate you with disgust for absolutely no reason or become absolutely obsessive about you.
    It’s knowing the magnitude of your psychic and manipulative power but having restraint to not put it to use

    It’s Having to understand what being lonely is
    It’s not physical. It’s not about family and friends … it’s that little crack, that dark space you can physically feel within your soul.
    It’s knowing no matter what, in this life, your only mission is to create rifts and shifts and transform yourself and others. It’s not about being loved, it’s not about belonging

    No astrological or Meyers bring typing or any other boxed descriptions can fit a Plutonian into a space of belonging

    They just don’t

    • Wow… I can relate to so much of this. Natal Pluto 7H and Transit Pluto 12H on top of my Sun and has been for what seems like for-ev-er.

    • WOW!!!
      so funny that they think it is without a heavy cost. So many times people say how did you do that and I always reply it no big deal but they don’t know the pain the heavy toll it takes on you . is it sad that people talk about it as if was some kind of gift or method . we were born into this and paid the price and continue to pay. there is no way to describe it to someone who doesn’t fell it. I wish was some mystical power like others describe wouldn’t that be cool

  73. I consider myself not Plutonian. My 8th house is empty, Pluto doesn’t form any close aspects to anything. I only have Scorpio DSC with Pluto and Jupiter in the 7th in Scorpio.

    My Scorpio North Node makes me even more alien to Plutonian energy.

    I think I’m more Mercurial/Saturnine.

  74. I am sun/pluto conj mc and four planets in scorpio. I dont really know what to say about manipulating energy. I just try to purify myself and be as conscious as i can of my motives.

  75. Elsa, I percieve you as quite plutonian. You have a depth of insight and perception that is pretty rare as I see it.

    I’m a Neptunian Plutonian. Majorly. I don’t really understand how these two energies combine and what kind of qualities the two together produce but I am it, whatever it is.

    However, here on the forum, people probably mostly sense my Jupiter /Uranus square mercury, since I have a bad tendency to provoke and call out stuff.

  76. Pluto at 2′ Virgo smack on the Descendant! I certainly attract and admire personally powerful, in control types but with a Pisces Asc, Gemini Sun and a 4’Sag Moon I eventually find it all too much and plan my escape. I have learned at least to defend my interests and set firm boundaries in close one-on-one relationships and contracts!

  77. I wonder if being a Plutonian person is free will for some people. For those who are made to do it that is probably free will expressed in the past!

    An example might be if people are exposed to things, if a mega political change happens and everyone became aware of say… mass paedophilia in the corridors of government. Everyone would then become a little more Plutonian.

  78. Virgo Pluto in the first sextile Mars, Moon, Mercury, Neptune Scorpio in a tight stellium involving only the 6th, 8th and 10th degrees. Huge Plutonian energy and then my Uranus CJ ASC comes in like a wrecking ball. My life is a power struggle! When I don’t win, I never forget the lesson.
    When I was 10, my mom forced me to go to ”family counseling” to try to force me to call my stepdad “dad”. I didn’t even feel it necessary to enunciate the futility of this. I was told I had to go but wouldn’t have to speak. I never spoke a word despite all their cajoling and threats until they gave up on that front. She got me back by turning her back on me when I needed help accepting a 4 year scholarship, and then backing my ex for child custody. I recently emailed her that when she dies she will dry up and blow away but I will continue on perfectly well without her, and she will have to face God for her actions. Whew! Must be Pluto!

  79. I am still learning but I have these placements.
    Sun Square Pluto
    Uranus Conjunct Pluto
    Saturn Opposition Pluto
    Jupiter trine Pluto
    Moon trine Pluto
    Neptune Sextile Pluto

    Pluto & Uranus in 4th House
    South Node in Capricorn in 4th House
    Lilith in Sagittarius in 8th House
    8th House in Sagittarius at 22 Deg (Military deg)
    Pallas, Lust, Ceres, Vertex, Nunki, Salacia, Vega, Lesath ALL in Sagittarius in the 8th House
    Galactic Centre in Sagittarius in 8th House

    I think that makes me Plutonian. I had a very very hard life. I have been homeless, beaten, mentally abused by my father, and I can out stare anyone, a trait I got from my father, but mostly I am a nice calm person until I get provoked. I do not drink or smoke or take drugs as is told in some of the articles I read. I do however suffer with daily headaches & migraines. I like being alone but I also like going out. I am in my 50’s. I am hoping that things will get a bit easier as I get older. I am VERY GOOD
    AT RESEARCHING anything! I am an Artist/ Graphic Designer. Thanks Elsa. I love your blog!

  80. Loved re-reading this thread. My natal chart is full of Pluto and Scorpio. A stellium with Pluto-Mars-Saturn were in 7th and 8th Houses in Leo and they impact nearly every planet in my chart; Scorpio Sun/Chiron/Mercury. Lots of impact on, and impacted by over time. The thing that is happening now, in the Progressed years, that is even more interesting? It’s what happened/happens to this energy when a Scorpio Sun becomes an eccentric rebellious Aquarius. The Pluto-Saturn conjunction remains — in opposition in fact — in aspect to my Sun. I’m finding what it means to live with the impact of a Pluto infusion early on (immature, but potent … messiness) tempered during the progression through the signs.
    Now that is an example of how tiny Pluto (seed power!) grows a being.

  81. Funny, I was drawn to read this fir further clarification as to whether I may be considered ‘Plutonian’. Then I started to read the first comments which just so happened to be on my birthday (Nov 15).
    I certainly feel Plutonian alot of the time. Both with the upheaval and change/transformation in my own life that I’m somehow able to move through reasonably quickly, but also as the initiator for change/shedding/upheaval etc etc in other people’s lives. It’s generally totally unintentional to cause these disruptions but of course, in hindsight, a necessity in terms of growth for whoever is involved. I am a Scorpio sun. My Pluto and mercury are also in Scorpio. If I use the whole sign chart method, Venus, Saturn and Uranus are in my 8th house, with Venus being the ruler of my Taurean ascendant. If I switch over to Placidus chart, Scorpio rules my 6th and 7th houses. Naturally that means my Taurus ascendant also rules my 12th house (cancer and Capricorn are intercepted) and so my Scorpio ruled 7th house cusp, is in opposition to my ascendant. I’m guessing that could possibly fit the criteria for what some would consider Plutonian.

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