Workshop For Beginners: “La Force” – Scorpio Rising, Aries Sun, Gemini Moon

Workshop for BeginnersToday’s Key Topic – The Ascendant
Ok, pretend with me for a moment that it’s a long time ago and you are a Shepherd. It is your job to hang out all night with the sheep. So, your shift starts and there’s nothing much exciting going on. So, you pop a squat and look out over the eastern horizon. Hey, there’s a constellation you know. Let’s say it’s Aries. Hi Aries! Well that was fun. You putter around for an hour or two, maybe eat a crust of bread from your pocket, then think, “I wanna look at Aries again.” So, you sit down in the same place looking out across the eastern horizon expecting to see the Ram. WTF?!?! That’s not Aries, that’s Taurus! Yes, it appears that Taurus has popped up above the horizon pushing Aries ahead in line. Tilt your head up, see Aries is still there, just higher. If you keep watching all night you will see Gemini rise, then Cancer rise, then Leo, etc. Every two hours, a different sign will rise above the horizon. This sign is called (see if you can guess) “the rising sign,” also known as the Ascendant. Commonly abbreviated ASC.

Every chart you look at will have a horizontal line on the left side. That line will always be the ascendant. The Ascendant is important because it marks the cusp of the first house, determines the ruler of the chart, and indicates the general appearance/first impression.

Pop Quiz: Look at this illustration of me,
Rising Sign

can you tell which sign is “the rising sign?”

Chart 3 for WorkshopChart III

ASC – 24 degrees Scorpio
That makes this a Pluto ruled chart with Mars as the co-ruler, giving the chart an overall INTENSITY. People are either entranced by this person or completely freaked out. There are no mild reactions to someone with this rising sign. They look good in black and are known for having a piercing stare.

The Sun – Aries in the 5th House
Aries is ruled by Mars giving this chart an extra shot of power. This forceful Sun does not take direction easily. The 5th house provides a playful attitude which supports this sun’s natural impulsivity.

The Moon – Gemini in the 8th House
This is someone who needs to talk it out. In the 8th house the topic often shifts to the dark side of things. This person is not afraid to dig into the depths of the seedy underbelly of existence. This person is quick to point out your hidden motives.

blankCan you guess who else had this combination of Scorpio Rising, Aries Sun and Gemini Moon?

Critically acclaimed leading lady Bette Davis. Look at those eyes! Check her out here talking with Dick Cavett about “testing 15 men” in one afternoon.

Now, here’s Satori with a closer look at how this all works together.

Here the Sun in Aries squares the Gemini Moon. As a result, the ego drives of individualism, particularly at 0 degrees, The Aries Point, are at cross purpose with the needs of an airy Moon. In the 5th house this Aries Sun expresses itself in forthright creativity while the 8th house Moon yearns to communicate on both deeper and more surface levels.

The resulting effect is one where the expression of ego does not naturally fulfill one’s emotional needs, and getting one’s needs met does not necessarily jibe with the individual’s sense of self. Earlier on in life this can manifest as frustration, both in the ego drive and a lack of emotional satiation. As time goes on and a person becomes more familiar with the limits of this equation they become more adept at managing and balancing these stressors.

I’ve always liked the adage, “if mama ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy.” In the chart the moon functions as the archetypal mama and the sun, the papa. You’ve got to keep mama happy without pissing off papa, and while these energies are stressed they do relate and such a thing is possible, with effort. In this case Saturn is in an aspect of opportunity with the sun, in sextile. Saturn is very much a paternal energy and jibes well with the Sun influence here. Working at the Sun’s 5th house matters, creativity, children, will pay off in balancing the equation.

Saturn is in the 7th house, conjunct Mars and the Descendant. Anything that conjuncts the Descendant necessarily opposes the Ascendant. In this case the ASC/DSC axis falls across Scorpio and Taurus. With Scorpio Rising you express Scorpionic traits outwardly while attracting and being attracted to those with Taurus or Taurean energies. With chart co-rulers, Mars and Pluto aspecting both the Sun and the Rising, much energy is available to express and to harness and a powerful presence is gauranteed.

With Scorpio Rising and Mars Saturn in opposition the outer personality can present like a magician, “look here,” while the real thing takes place under the hat in its other hand. “Et voila!”

Finally here’s Dixie with the intuitive wrap.

Wands ReversedWith your Aries sun, you excel at getting the ball rolling and prefer to remain in control of the game. Because it’s in the 5th house, you’re good at getting creative endeavors underway–this is where you especially shine. Your Scorpio Ascendant infuses your public work with significant energy. So far, so good! You could benefit, though, from developing a higher tolerance for uncertainty–you find the void unnerving–and more consistently sharing leadership responsibilities. Your Gemini moon sometimes feels insecure, so partnering to share the control will bring some relief and provides a gift to others by letting them hitchhike on your creative fire. Your Scorpio instincts are already sharp, so don’t second guess yourself so much.

Now its your turn! Got a question, ask away. Anything in common with this chart? Tell us about it. Itching to show off your skills? Give us your reading. This is your workshop. Have Fun!

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Workshop For Beginners: “La Force” – Scorpio Rising, Aries Sun, Gemini Moon — 39 Comments

  1. I can relate to this chart as I also have Scorpio rising and Sun in Aries (in the 5th). I had never thought to look to my Saturn, which is also sextile my Sun, but in Aquarius (3rd house), for support in balancing. I also can relate to being drawn to Taurus energy and have been happily married to one for almost 10 years. 😉

  2. “With Scorpio Rising you express Scorpionic traits outwardly while attracting and being attracted to those with Taurus or Taurean energies.” Ah, that makes sense now because the 7th house’s beginning is opposite the ascendent, and the 7th house is the house of relationships. Is the 7th house beginning always opposite the ascendent? I guess in an equal house system it would be….

  3. I know this isn’t an ASC specific question, but here goes. I’ve seen some interpretations where a planet in the late degrees of one house is interpreted as if it’s in the next house. Why is that?

    Example, my Venus is 5 degrees Aquarius and my 5th house begins at 7 degrees Aquarius so when I do the online interpretations it’s almost always read as being in the 5th house even though it’s in the 4th.

  4. @Dixie – I had to do a double take when you posted the chart… hehehe – It’s funny, I described myself as a geek for years and it was a real shift when I started to refer to myself as a digital artist…

    @Charholder – we should compare notes, ehe?! 🙂

  5. nota and satori: I am wondering if the Neptune opp. the DSC means that you “Wow” your partners, like kind of mesmerize them. Or is that how you would “feel” about your partners…that they mesmerize YOU? I understand the energy of Neptune but in Sag it’s hard for me to understand how that would manifest. Anyway, I as Scorp ASC as well and a lot of my best friends were Taurus folk (women mostly-the men like me but I feel they are almost too overwhelmingly sensual for me even being a Scorpio! Maybe it’s my Moon in Leo/Virgo and Venus in Capricorn that shy from that? I like the Betty David example. She was always very compelling, though I know not everyone’s taste as you mentioned the Scorpio ASC can draw or repel. But I always thought she was a kick!

  6. nota, really like your self-portrait! 🙂
    So true about the moon (or ‘mama’) being unhappy! Tho I have Leo sun, I know how hard it is to reconcile a fiery sun with a watery Asc. and Moon, these are very good ideas for integration.

    Hope it’s not off-topic, but does the chartholder have a mystic rectangle between Jupiter, Pluto, Moon and Sun? If not, what’s that configuration called? Wow I wonder what it’s like to deal with all those energies in the chart! Powerful!

  7. After reviewing the video on YT, which was great by the way (!), and re reading above about the sun being the Papa energy and the Moon the Mama energy..and her sun being in Aries in the Fifth and her rising in a water sign..would that bring depth to her creativity, her ego/papa energy, if it were in any water sign? I imagine the elements mixing and gettin a warm steam…and then with her airy moon it would create a steamy, warm kind of balmy personality. She seems a lot calmer than Aries I know and her timing in very Scorpio…kind of kinetic energy coming out in statico phrasing in the way she expresses herself..her long pauses…and for those that are surprised by her seemingly lack of passion..it’s there it’s just hidding…in typical Scorpio fashion IMHO!

  8. Brittania, Planets very close to the next house are often conjunct the cusp of that house. Some astrologers will read that as similar to being in the house.

    Dawn, Neptune in the first opposite the DSC, hmmn more like Ariel longing for a partner “up where the people are.” So maybe mesmerizing, maybe just confusing.

    Pepperment, that configuration is a Grand Cross. Its more of a Square than a rectangle. The moon in Gemini is considered “out of sign” because it does not share the same “quality” as the other planets in the cross. (we’ll talk more about qualities in chart 5)

    If you consider a slightly wider orb for the sextile, you could say there is a mystic rectangle between Pluto, neptune, the sun and saturn.

  9. Is that an almost-but-not-quite Cardinal Grand Cross? (the Moon is in Gemini)

    How’d the chart owner enjoy this year’s Grand Cross?

    With all the aspects to Pluto, I can’t imagine that the Scorpio ascendant is a light mask.

    (Strangely enough, I know two men with Scorpio ascendants, one of them is an Aries and another is a Virgo but I don’t notice them freaking people out with their piercing stare or entrancing people while provoking reactions. They both have planets in the first.)

    Is it possible for a planet conjunct the Asc to overwhelm the expression of the mask?

  10. Thanks for this Nota. And maybe you can solve this basic query for me – in my chart, my Pisces sun is in the third house. Okay so far. But then in horoscopes, when they refer to my first house, they’re talking about Pisces. So, is Pisces in my first or my third?

  11. This is my chart.. I’ve decided to claim it, as it will give the rest of the newbies (like me) a chance to tie together what they know of me from my interaction on the boards with my chart and get a clearer picture of how things may play out and to humanise what otherwise is just a bunch of aspects.

    – Rising Sign

    With regards to having a Pluto ruled chart/Scorpio Rising. There is definitely intensity to me, however I think that this is sometimes obscured by Neptune in the first house.

    If you don’t know me, I would say I Generally I tend to come across as quiet, serious and self contained. Though when people start speaking to me I express my thoughts with more passion/intensity that they are used to experiencing, or would expect from me.

    The intensity would be more about non verbal body language and tone of voice. I think it is then the the gaze comes into play, rather than at first glance.

    Also, as I mentioned on the boards a few weeks ago, I recently realised that I tend avoid eye contact when in groups of strangers. I think this may be because I am very sensitive, and I pick up on a lot, so making eye contact with all of those people would just be too much input for me.

    I also have Sun in opposition to Pluto (which is part of my Grand Cross), so that likely adds to the overall intensity.

    What Satori said here…

    “With Scorpio Rising and Mars Saturn in opposition the outer personality can present like a magician, “look here,” while the real thing takes place under the hat in its other hand. “Et voila!””

    … was spot on! I really like the way that she put that. There are a lot of layers to me that people would never guess at… in a million years.

  12. – The Sun

    I do struggle with my Sun/Moon square, especially when it comes to knowing exactly how I feel about something. I am getting better with this and have noticed a massive improvement over the last few months. However, as with all aspects of self, there is always more to do, it is after all the journey of a lifetime.

    In terms of my creativity (5th house) I feel that that is broken. I have struggled, all my life with accepting anything that I create as being good enough and I feel very blocked in that area.

    I’m not sure why this is, but it may have something to do with Chiron being in my 5th house, right next to my Sun and Mercury.

  13. – The Moon

    “This is someone who needs to talk it out. In the 8th house the topic often shifts to the dark side of things.”

    That is exactly what I find.

    Talking helps to clarify, or make me aware of what I am really feeling. Of course this is not always easy as I tend to express myself forcefully and passionately, and that is not always appropriate in situations where others are not as comfortable talking about the darker areas of life and of emotions.

    Which means that I often repress things, or bottle them up because I know they will not be received well. I have recently started journaling again (after a long hiatus) and I’m finding that outlet very helpful.

    “This person is not afraid to dig into the depths of the seedy underbelly of existence.”

    Yes! I love getting right down to the bones of things, exploring, researching, digging. One of the reasons that I treasure this website so much is because people aren’t afraid to discuss things, that would have most of the people I know (offline) running for the hills.

  14. “Saturn is in the 7th house, conjunct Mars and the Descendant……..With Scorpio Rising you express Scorpionic traits outwardly while attracting and being attracted to those with Taurus or Taurean energies.”

    Again, yes! I very much tend to favour partners who have a sense of stability about them. I need structure, substance and dependability in a long term romantic partner.

  15. GW said:
    I also have Sun in opposition to Pluto (which is part of my Grand Cross), so that likely adds to the overall intensity.

    In terms of my creativity (5th house) I feel that that is broken. I have struggled, all my life with accepting anything that I create as being good enough and I feel very blocked in that area.

    GW maybe the reason you feel this way about your creativity is the sun/pluto opposition. That aspect can make you very hard on yourself.

  16. ASC – 24 degrees Scorpio
    That makes this a Pluto ruled chart with Mars as the co-ruler, giving the chart an overall INTENSITY. People are either entranced by this person or completely freaked out. There are no mild reactions to someone with this rising sign. They look good in black and are known for having a piercing stare.

    My Cancer sun son has 29 Scorp rising and this description is totally true for him. Amazing!!! I’m loving this.

  17. GW, it’s very, very helpful indeed to hear your thoughts on your chart!! Thank you very much.

    I am getting a lot out of this series! Even things I sorta knew, are put in such a lovely context here so I can see them differently, and maybe – for the first time ever – start to ‘get’ them. Learning this so late in life is… I don’t know, just wish I had a more intuitive feel for this stuff. Having everyone’s perspective (Nota, Satori, Dixie) given alongside each other here, along with celebrities and videos, charts and drawings, makes it easier to grasp the lesson. Thanks.

  18. I don’t understand.

    I thought Aries and Gemini were planets with harmonic energy. What makes a square, the planetary placements or the degree?

    I’ve seen this other threads, a square that I didn’t understand to be a square, and wanted to ask because obviously I’m missing something or doing it wrong.

    I’m glad you’ve started this learning thread where I can ask questions without feeling like I’m holding up the proceedings.

  19. Thats a great question Brizo.
    This is an example of an aspect that is “out of sign”

    The sun is at 1 degree Aries and the Moon is at 27 Gem… That makes 86 degrees. A square is 90 degrees (with an 8 degree buffer zone) So, see 87 degrees falls in the Square zone. So it is considered a square even though it is “out of” the ordinary sign that you would expect for this type of relationship.

    P.s the buffer zone is what is meant by “Orb”

  20. Nota thanks, I had been wondering aboiut that for awhile, but as it was so basic I was embarrassed that I didn’t know.

    Sorry it took so long to thank you, I dont’ have internet right now.

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