I originally posted this in 2015. That’s how long I’ve had my eye on this! The graphic is amazing, isn’t it? Saturn will conjunct Pluto in Capricorn at 22 degrees on January 12th, 2020.
It’s been nearly 30 years since we’ve had a mashup of this magnitude in Capricorn. If you were into astrology (or born) circa 1990-93, you know what I’m talking about (see Mega- Capricorn). I remember those years like they were yesterday!
Last night, Orisis Wife remarked, its been 735 years since Jupiter and Saturn and Pluto were in Capricorn, simultaneously. I was struck by this so I asked for details. She explained the three planets were in Capricorn in 1285. They were not conjunct, like what we’ll see in 2020. Crazy, right?
If you have planets in Capricorn, near 22 degrees, this will be a deeply meaningful time for you. People with planets in the later degrees of the other Cardinal signs (Aries, Libra and Cancer) will also be impacted.
If you have a stellium in near these degrees, in any of the Cardinal signs, that goes double, triple…exponential.
Where does this stellium fall in your chart? Are you ready for this?
Back in 1990s I got this stellium hitting my 12th and I was a child. I was very shy, escapism into a world of my own, and at that period suffered some health problems at that time. When Uranus and Neptune entered my first around 2000, it was a liberation and an awakening.
In 2020, the conjunction will again hit my 12th before all those planets move to the ascendant. As Uranus enters my 4th, I foresee emotional events ahead, changes in family and a deep introspective inwards period.
More difficult is currently the T-square of Saturn, Neptune and Jupiter hitting directly my Moon and my MC. Many relationship changes.
Wow, the Sun/Saturn/Pluto conjunction on January 12th, 2020 at 22 degrees Capricorn will conjunct my natal Saturn (which is at 22 degrees Capricorn also) so it will be my first Saturn return at the same time! Sounds pretty scary! ??
Sounds like your maturity will be heavily tested, and how you relate to power/power abuse (yours and others). I wonder what the issues are…what house?
I had my 1st Saturn return in 1986.(1st house) The first Saturn return is about RESPONSIBILITY, getting married, getting divorced, having your first child, starting up a business. I divorced my violent first husband, the things he did afterwards well I lived through them with literally no money and 2 small children to bring up. Its about maturing and all I can say is that the 2nd Saturn return is a lot better, been there, done that. Capricorn is about maturity, Saturn often a father figure, Pluto makes you look inside yourself (men) and Scorpions. Its not all about just men, women can be worse! Start now particulary from this winter or before, try to look through events and people who you live and work with. It will help, but, you probably won’t like what you find out. Use that power. Empower yourself. LOVE YOURSELF. I wish someone had told me!! Only just realising who I am at 60. Finally, like I tell myself, try not to worry too much. Pluto is a great healer and enabler.
Stellium (in 4th house) will conjunct natal Chiron which opposes natal Jupiter/Uranus conjunction and quincunx natal Pluto, and square natal Neptune; however, it will trine natal Sun. That date tr Jupiter will be conjunct natal Mars/NN. All aspects less than 2 degrees :O
Stellium (in 4th house) will conjunct natal Chiron which opposes natal Jupiter/Uranus conjunction, and will quincunx natal Pluto, and square natal Neptune; however, it will trine natal Sun. That date tr Jupiter will be conjunct natal Mars/NN, which trine natal Moon. All aspects less than 2 degrees :O
Hi Everyone, hi Elsa. This 2020 conjunction will happen on my birthday, Jan 10th, with an eclipse on that day as well. Pluto will have already crossed my 3rd house sun by 2 degrees when Saturn catches up to him, and then Mars will join them a few weeks later. As these 3 planets are the power brokers of our cosmos, and they are merging together, this is going to be quite a show. Uranus will be entering my 7th house DC in that same period. Do you think we will all get a hint of what is to come when Mars rolls over these planets this fall(2016), even if Saturn is still in Sag?
Welcome, freeyourgenie. We might get a preview, but it’s not something I’d be paying mind too. Not because this is not valid, but because it’s so far out. Mars will cross this degree again, before the conjunction. Even at that point, I’d think it premature.
But I want to stress, this is just one person’s view. 🙂
Thank you Elsa. So, 3rd house; paying mind too, personal point of views: maybe I will need to be more mindful of other people’s points of view (or read their minds)? That’s more upbeat than what I was thinking in regard to 3rd house issues. Thank you for that!
Last time Pluto and Saturn were conjunct, it was on my ascendent. My brother died in a motorcycle accident, followed by other painful and private incidences during the year.
It will be on my ascendant this time. Did you have anything going on with your third house? Or do you have some sort of planet there? I’m looking at my chart and worrying. I know there isn’t much I can do about it but I wondered if you could see anything that this stellium hit?
Hi amh,
My Capricorn sun in the 3rd house was getting squared by the Saturn & Pluto conjunction, which was also trining Saturn in my 4th. The moon was entering my 8th house. He was a Gemini, which is my 8th house. My Pluto/Uranus/Mars stellium in the 11th house was opposite transiting Mercury (sibling) and sun(male) in the 5th. Even if I knew astrology back then, I would not have seen it coming, as Venus was just entering my 7th house and was sitting on the DC, though of course that means she was in opposition to the Saturn/Pluto conjunction on the ascendent, and trining transiting Neptune at the end of the 2nd house (which was conjunct my venus/mercury). He was a really nice guy, the kind everybody likes- maybe a Libra ascendent? I don’t know. Worrying won’t help, but remembering to love the people in your life everyday will make everyone feel better:)
My other brother’s birthday is January 11, the eye of the storm in 2020.
How was the year for you and your brother so far?
Hi everyone,
I’m new at this so please bear with me. The stellum in Cap in 2020 will be conjuncting my own Saturn and pretty darn close to my Jupiter in Cap (2deg). My birthday is in Aries (March) and my Asc is in Sag. So this stellum is happening in my 2nd and 10th houses respectively. I plan to retire in April, 2020. The stellum is 90 deg to my sun in Aries and 120 deg to my moon in Taurus. Will the eclipse of DEc. 26 2019 affect this? Your thoughts and ideas are welcome. I enjoy reading all your thoughts on the subject. It is quite educational. Thanks everyone and Thanks Elsa for letting us add to your original posting.
Rookie.
Important steps in life, like retirement, will of course be shown somehow by transits.
Eclipses have a long term effect. The longer they can be seen, the longer the effect.
There will be a full moon lunar eclipse on Jan. 10, 2020 in Cancer 20 deg., just before the stellium – you could practically call this Lunar eclipses part of the stellium as it is so close( and perhaps it is!). Lunar eclipses are so emotional….part of the Saros series 144 (not sure if that is relevant). The first one occurred on May 25, 2013. I’ll have to do some more research to understand what this could mean to my retirement date or anything else that it may bring. I have the feelings that whatever choice I make it will be for the long run as my Saturn and my Jupiter are being “touched” by the stellium… Eclipses bring so many new changes…..Thanks. Love the expertise and ideas that you all bring forward.
F.
Well Francine, I believe it signals an ending. An ending of a career or life style would be a positive way to move through that energy- Maybe they will have an amazing party for you 2 days after you retire! My birthday is Jan 10, and this looks like a funeral for me, or someone I love. Accident or death on the 10th, funeral or death 2 days later. I only say this because it will be squaring what happened to me in 1983, the last time Pluto and Saturn were in close alignment, and I lost my dear brother. Maybe you should look back at what was happening in 1983 for you, to see what may be coming to an end, or repeating.
Who are the Sag’es in your life?
Well, if I go ahead with my retirement plan, it will be an ending for sure. (BD is March 30th, Sun at 10 deg. Aries and Sag. Asc. at 2 deg.) As for 1983, my first son was born in May, 1983. We were married in Dec. 1981, moved into our house in Feb. 1982 and then the birth a year later. You’re right, I should check what happened in those years and see where the transit of the planets influenced or may again influence what happened then and how it compares to my coming retirement.
As for a party, that would be great! I would love that! But we will see… it is after all 4 years in the future. I am sorry if you feel you will have a death or an accident to a dear one in your life. I hope this won’t happen….Hard to predict, isn’t it? All the best! Thanks.
I downloaded my firstborn son’s chart and the eclipse/Saturn Stellium of Jan. 2020 will be opposite his Venus in Gemini (Venus conjuncts his ascendant). Wow. Lots of changes there for him as well.
Are you counting on social security for a part of your retirement? Since this will be hitting the collective USA in the 2nd house, maybe you will need your son’s support? Just an idea…
Could be medicare instead…depends on who wins the election
Looks like pensions are on the radar screen now. Recently on MSN, there was an article about state debt, and how many states don’t have the money they need for state pension plans for their state workers (police/fire/teachers). Now this – private pension plans are also in the line of fire http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/another-blow-for-heartland-workers-slashed-pensions/ar-AAouj8B?li=BBnb7Kz
Here’s some new data Elsa- transiting pluto conjuncting my natal sun at 19 degrees in the third house, trining transiting mars conjunct natal jupiter in the 7th: today at 1 o’clock in the afternoon a rabid raccoon charged me in my driveway. He came out of nowhere (Uranus transiting end of my 6th). My little Westie (dog) came to the rescue to protect me fiercely, and locked into mortal combat with the raccoon. Then, I had to save my little dog before the raccoon killed him. Love that dog!
Hi, freeyourgenie, I’m watching this b’cuz my birthday is Jan 10 too. I’m more than watching, I’m working it. In my 6H. We had Pluto & Venus on our sun this solar return so embracing beauty & harmony while sorting thru & releasing old psychological baggage. Letting go of all kinds of ‘corpses’ that weigh me down. Looking toward Cancer new moon eclipse at 20 degrees for clues & more as Cancer/Cap eclipses build. Look at progressed chart too.
Thank you, Suzanne. Interesting you said that, as the abuse of power directed at me this year came from Libras doing dirty deeds behind the curtain.
This conjunction exactly over my 9th house mars indicates my physical death.This is not so bad as I have had a shitty life anyway.I only hope that it’s not a violent ending, which it implies.On a more global level this is the next great war.Tensions will escalate in 2019 and the chance of nuclear weapons being used are high.It will be of some small solace that millions of others will also die during this period and many more millions will wish that they had never been born due to the anguish and devastation they will have to endure,both on a personal and collective level.Sun,Saturn,Pluto = vitality obliterated by misery and death! Have a nice day.
If this is a parody on sulking teenagers/ botched attempt at trolling, then I must admit it’s mildly funny, more so if read in Werner Herzog’s gloomy voice.
If this is a true statement of a misanthropic and attention-seeking individual, then you, dear Astromancer, should indeed read Stoics, also Cioran (your soulmate), German curmudgeons a la Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and everything that reveals the hidden patterns of our lives. So, whether you are a young troll or premature curmudgeon, educate yourself (9th house) on how the world really works (Capricorn) and fight (Mars) against meaninglessness (Sagittarian shadow). 2020 is the perfect time to read about the roots of Nazism (Saturn and Pluto being prominent in Nazis’ charts) and maybe about clinical depression as descent to the Underworld, although I’m not sure you are depressed, dear A., depressed people are unable to write such long blog comments. And, dear troll, do you believe that physical death is THE end? Rhetorical question, I’ve no time for discussions, just got curious about the real meaning of Astromancer’s wacky comment.
Well,to answer the question of trolldom,no I am not a troll and I don’t seek attention any more than the average person.My point is that some people try to put on rose tinted spectacles when looking at a devastating astrological conjunction including;Mercury,Sun,Saturn and Pluto.Any competent astrologer should recognise this when a client has a natal planet or critical point at 22′ Capricorn.And because the two most karmic planets are involved,with Pluto being a generational one also,humanity as a collective is going to suffer terribly.What would you say to someone who has moon conjunct ascendant at 22’Capricorn? Not a good day to put the washing out ? Might I suggest you educate yourself more fully in western astrology.You seem to be spending too much time reading the modernist philosophers.
That’s enough with the personal attacks. You’re welcome to make your points, but this is Libra kinda site. Thanks. 🙂
Dear Elsa, I don’t think these are attacks, and they do seem quite impersonal to me, but I apologize anyway.
Dear Astromancer, do bother searching my comment from December 23 (just ctrl+F my nickname) where I speak of wars and personal transits. As my Sun-Mercury conjuncts your Mars in Capricorn, I can’t help thinking we’re in a battle for the right to comment on reality. Who owns reality, whose sight is clearer, who is free of delusions? No one is. Is such thing as reality check even possible? Very objective things, such as wars, have very subjective meaning for different people. Moreover, if it’s not a war for oil and drugs, no one is going to annihilate you in your cozy American (?) home. Wars are sneaky these days, I think the proper term is hybrid war.
Have you ever heard of Caroline C. Casey? She’s my favourite human, her Jungian stand-up routines are the best. One of her sayings is very pertinent to our discussion. “As prophecies and predictions rise, remember to vote for reality with your imagination.” If you don’t like, don’t vote. Why on God’s green earth would I vote for doom, death, Third World War, Trump presidency, Putin and ISIS destroying the world, etc, etc.
Why do you cast your vote on doom? Because your life is shitty? You can’t be serious.
Yes,I do predict doom from this rare and catastrophic convergence.I base this on 32 years studying astrology and several years practising on a semi-professional basis.Are you fully aware that just within the last century 150 million deaths occurred due to war and countless others were blighted by its effects.Are you naive enough to think this will never occur again ? Do you consider cruise missiles with atomic warheads ‘sneaky’? The best outcome I can envisage comes from the sabian symbol for 22 degrees Cap; a general accepts defeat gracefully,possibly echoing the Cuban missile crisis of 62.This I feel also has relevance for people who have personal planets and points at that degree.Accepting defeat with grace.I think you are just as afraid as numerous other people who have commented on this blog site,but you lack the candour and humility of maturity to admit it- ‘my favourite human’shows all too clearly your level of maturity.Have you ever lived with this woman for a week ? Just keep applying the sun cream as the thunder clouds gather.
Anastasia,I am sorry for my part in the slanging match that our conversation turned into.The thought that my Mars conjunct your Sun/Mercury did cross my mind.Also my Aquarian’ know all’ stellium can often prompt me to descend into point scoring debate.If you were hurt by my comments I am truly sorry.I hope you continue to develop your astrological skills.We are fellow astrologers living in a time when empirical proof is still a God, so we need to stick together,yes? Best Wishes,Astromancer.
Oh no, I’m hugely disappointed in astrology, have been for some time. It’s of no help in pattern-tracing, depths-probing and character-gazing. It does not cure sarcasm, or help reduce neurotic tension, nor does it seem to prevent middle-age bitterness. Astrology still has uses, but they are not to be discussed here.
Our online bickering brought a lot of resentment to the surface, so I guess I should thank you, Astromancer. I live in a very poor and corrupt country currently at war with another country (not in my city, yet still) and I often wonder whether a truly disruptive and violent war, like in Syria, is possible in Europe. It’s not that I put (often trashy) Europe over (highly cultured) Syria in a bizarre bout of Euro entitlement, I just think… Well, who cares what I think. Let’s all just stop prophesizing doom, okay?
Anastasia,re your huge disappointment with astrology,could this be that you expect too much from it?.Astrology only points to the causes of neurosis,bitterness etc.I have come to the opposite conclusion,that astrology is the best tool for mapping the psyche.Lastly,it is only me,not everyone here that is predicting doom,for me personally and mankind generally,and I do consider that I am entitled to express this belief/opinion, as you are to refute or disregard it.I do not see the point in continuing any further dialogue as we seem to highly antagonistic to each other in temperament and maturity.
Thank you ‘free your genie’for the comment.I can see where you are coming from re;power and education system in the U.S.A. However,having looked at this more closely over the last few days I conclude that the actual ‘event’ will occur at the beginning of April 2019 when Pluto passes over the moon’s south node( what we have accumulated to date) From this time until Jan 12th 2020 much of western civilisation will deteriorate rapidly until that date when the civilised mind and communication(mercury) will begin to fully comprehend what has occurred.The sabian symbols I have found to be very accurate when constructing someone’s natal chart and I have found the symbols either side of the main degree highly significant,in this instance,21 degrees Cap- a relay race( passing on the baton to the emerging civilisation,and 23 degrees Cap;a soldier receiving two medals for heroic combat, another military omen,possibly indicating honor bestowed upon those who tried to diffuse or ameliorate the damage from this global event.Jupiter conjunct the south node during Jan 2020 I would interpret as the first green shoots of growth of this new,transformed(pluto) civilisation.I consider myself fortunate to have lived so far in a country and era when I have not been affected by any major wars but this will unfortunately change during the period mentioned and I would predict you also living in the U.S.A.( a cancerian country)opposing this stellium in capricorn will also be affected.Hope for the best but prepare for the worst is,I think,is all we can do.
Thank you for sharing those interesting thoughts Astromancer. I agree, it is possible that the military will be involved, but would it be needed for a man-made or natural disaster? How about the failing of the European Union? That could fit the Sabian symbol you mentioned in a post about a general admitting defeat with grace, no? Heads of state, and their brilliant plan didn’t work out. Can it dissolve without physical conflict? The UK and Germany, big players in the world’s global economy, are both reported to be either Capricorn or Aries nations, and Mars (the God of War) will be joining Pluto and Saturn, along with (international) Jupiter, in 2020.
I do wonder about China though, a reported Libran country, being squared by this…there are over 1 million international students studying in America at the post-secondary level (www.migrationpolicy.org), paying full tuition, and 31% of them are Chinese. At the secondary level, in private boarding schools, it is common to have a student population that is between 30% to 50% Chinese, paying full tuition. If something happens in/with China, or to China’s economy, many private schools wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open for long. If the students didn’t or couldn’t come back to the States from Spring Break in April 2019 (message to Mercury you mentioned), would these schools be able to open for the 2019/2020 school year? What would that do to their local communities? It would really hurt mine (this conjunction will happen in my 3rd house), with all the private schools with international (Jupiter/south node conjunction with eclipse, Jan 2020) students in the area.
Many post-secondary schools (Jupiter again) are already struggling with declining enrollments and retention rates. One last thing to consider in regard to higher education – The enormous black hole of student debt our native students have racked up, the inability of many of them to pay it back, and how that could mirror the Savings & Loan crisis of the last Saturn/Pluto conjunction.
All that being said, an internet review of events from that last conjunction in 1982/3 shows no major world conflicts (just lots of assignations/assignation attempts and small turf wars), but there was “one major structural change of huge future global significance – the repositioning of Islam into the geopolitical arena and the seeding of fundamentalist terrorism” (cyclesofhistory.com), and then we got 9/11 at the opposition phase of this pluto/saturn cycle. We will be finishing that cycle up, and beginning a new one: “May you live in interesting times”, is actually a Chinese curse.
Thanks for your response.Yes,you could well be right that it could be a ‘natural’ disaster needing the military but I am still sticking with a major war,between whom, I don’t know.I base this on the reasons previously mentioned as well as Chiron( wounded/healer) entering Aries as Pluto conjuncts the Moon’s south node in April 2019 then Chiron retrogrades later that year until Jan 2020 when it returns to direct motion at 1 and a half degrees Aries.This retrograde over the beginning few degrees of Aries really bothers me with the Aries association
with war and a( collective?) wounding. Albert Einstein’s quote of,”It is appallingly obvious that our technology exceeds our humanity” made a strong impact upon me when I read it,and I foresee that this point in human history 2019/20 will be a time when the result of this discrepancy will be painfully obvious to all.
That’s great that you brought up Chiron…with everything else going on in the sky, I have neglected to pay attention to Chiron, and need to check that out. What I find most dense and hard to figure about these super powerful transits is the way they can hit one on a personal and/or collective level. The cycle starting from 82/83 touched me personally, with the loss of my brother, and terrorism has touched me on a collective level. But, it hasn’t impacted my personal life, though many others have not been so fortunate. For them, it is the opposite, and life was just fine until terrorism impacted their life. Then there are those who get hit both ways.
Hi Astromancer,
Did you see the published Brexit timeline? It has the UK final pull-out scheduled for the end of March, 2019. http://www.dw.com/image/38172463_7.png
For America, it looks like voting fraud from other countries, through technology, might be a serious issue in 2020- What a crazy idea that the leader of another country can determine who rules America, but then again, Uranus has been very active these past few years.
Here we go https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/business/dealbook/student-loan-debt-collection.html
Making the same financial mistake again, selling debt. Incredibly, it looks like the little guy might win this time!
Thankyou ‘free your genie’ and I am sorry to hear of your brother’s death in 82/83 and I hope that this has not led to any long term damage for you. As I understand that transit it involves the transformation(pluto) of communism(structure-saturn) in Russia.Lenoid Brezshnev died in 1982 and with him died the belief that a planned economy could work and when Gorbachov took over a few years later he realised drastic restructuring was needed- perastroika etc- of the whole soviet economy,if total economic collapse was to be avoided.That conjunction in Libra (balance) pertained to a rebalancing of Russia to embrace a socialist/capitalist dynamic as the best way to proceed. On the subject of Chiron,I have found it highly significant in people who consult me for a chart reading,indeed approx 50% of people have a difficultly placed natal Chiron and a further 20% ask for a consultation during a difficult Chiron transit.Of course people generally ask questions when they are suffering or unsure of the path their life is taking.I have yet to be consulted by someone stating that they are blissfully happy and wanting to know why that is so.Does happiness dull our curiosity? or do we feel that we deserve happiness and don’t deserve its opposite ?-ha ha! But the position of Chiron proceeding and during this conjunction and its retrograde motion only reinforces my belief that this is war,and a major one! Einstein also said,” I don’t know about a 3rd world war but the 4th will be fought with sticks and stones” The more I look at this time period from an astrological perspective the more I am fearful for myself and human beings collectively.I am not coming from a Nostradamus point of view because I hope to God that I am proved wrong ! but with the ( collective?) Sun involved in this I think a great many people will be thrown back to the level of instinctual survival- Saturn in Capricorn. Re your question on personal versus collective impact, this surely depends on where you live.If I lived in London rather than Cornwall I would be more concerned about the effects of terrorist attacks on a purely personal level and I guess this must be the same for you,particularly as 9/11 dramatically showed that no country,however powerful is immune from well organised and well funded terrorists who are willing to die for their misguided beliefs.
I hadn’t thought of the old USSR, and how it transformed into Russia over that time period, with the loss of territory and beliefs that brought with it. That is an excellent observation. Thank you for sharing! If that is the case, maybe this next cycle will be about China (Libra sun getting squared). They still profess communism, but practice a thriving capitalistic society, on an individual level. I saw a documentary/expose’ filmed in China about 10 years ago where the farmers (with their shovels and sickles) where fighting the business (land) developers (with their guns) to the death, on a nightly basis, for their survival (the land they need to produce a living/live); an informal civil war bubbling under the surface (Pluto).
There has been talk about how the US will be experiencing its Pluto return, and that it will be in the same place it was when the American Revolution against England was fought. You stated one of the Sabian Symbols involved is the handing over of the baton to the next runner (super power). Perhaps the US will hand over the baton, and another nation (China?) will become the new super power? On the other hand, all the petty disrespectful chatter/criticism coming from Asia, including China, over Obama’s last visit there is unprecedented. Perhaps this next Pluto/Saturn cycle will bring back the US manufacturing base in Asia to American soil.
Looking at China’s chart (October 1, 1949, 3:01:36 pm), the conjunction in Jan 2020, will be on their Jupiter in the 12th house, and mars will be conjunct their Chiron, in the 10th. It’s going to hurt, and that hurt will be public.
Oh, and their Libra sun getting all those squares is in their 8th house, right next to Mercury & Neptune (Monopoly money? House of cards? nuclear attack?)
and their ruler, venus, will be transiting their 1st house, in opposition to their natal Pluto/Mars conjunction in the 7th.
thank you for bringing China to my attention.I have not looked into it’s chart but from what you have described astrologically it could well involve them.They have,however, been very clever over the past 20 years in taking a neutral or low key involvement in international disputes,concentrating on building up their own economy.The only way I could forsee them getting involved would be their claim over Taiwan or some major incident on their border with Russia or in Tibet.Unfortunately I cannot see any manufacturing base returning to the U.S or western Europe from Asia as the bottom line seems to be; how can you compete when workers in those countries will accept 50p an hour instead of our minimum wage of £6 plus per hour ? I think the American economy will fare better than ours as there seems to be a strong emphasis on buying goods produced in the U.S.A. although I’m sure you are ‘feeling the pinch’ also.As for the Pluto revolution,please don’t try to get one back on us by invasion,we are Americanised enough with Hollywood films etc. ha ha !
Ha ha- no worries, Bollywood is eclipsing Hollywood. I can’t find any American-made goods to buy in this country, except for food and sport balls. Yes, the Chinese have been very clever to conceal (or at least not publicize) the extent of their octopus-like expansion, especially in Africa, and the 8% of America they own (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/).
China has North Korea as a land bordering, next-door neighbor (mercury). If American factories get destroyed and/or contaminated by a (nuclear) attack from North Korea, or between North Korea and Japan (where tension is being reported in the news), American businesses might not have a choice about taking a hit in profits, and bringing those factories back home.
Shopping malls across the US closing down, as people move to online shopping. That’s got to be restructuring manufacturers in China. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/05/17/checking-out-dying-malls.cnn
Did anyone else see that news article about the billionaire Chinese glass-maker who is moving his manufacturing base out of China to the US because it is cheaper for him to manufacture in the US now?
If we tie those 2 theories of the last pluto/saturn conjunction together, we get the cold war seeding terrorism. I wonder what seeds will be planted this time around.
This will hit the USA in the 2nd house, or collectively, our GNP. Our ability to make money (manufacturing) may be transformed, and our values too.
Thanks for the update.I forgot about North Korea !You seem well versed in modern geo-political expansionism.I am not.At the moment I seem to be going through an intense astrological reading binge.Then I will leave off it for a while,until the interest returns.I have several times doubted astrology in the past,then I guess someone’s sun sign correctly,or an aspect of their birth chart is so obvious in a behaviour/ character trait or lifestyle,then I’m hooked again.Maybe it’s just my Aquarius stellium needing something logical to hang their metaphysical/spiritual hat on.Anyway,I think we have exhausted this topic of the forthcoming stellium of DOOM ! nice to chat with you and I wish you well.
Maybe, the overload of retiring baby boomers will affect social security.
Online shopping takeover – the end of (most?) shopping malls. I just don’t want to buy shoes and clothes I can’t try on first:(
Smack dab on my 22Cap Venus!! What shall I expect?
What house is your venus in,and is it aspected ?
Opposite my Cancer Sun and all of my asteriods Vesta, Ceres, Juno, Flora etc
We old goddesses will hold…
All this activity will hit my DC at 23 Capricorn. Last time Pluto hit an angle I was 13 and it crossed my IC a few times. My entire family and personal life hit an all time low. I can’t say I’m really looking forward to 2020. Also, it hits my business partner (and good friend) who has a stellium at 22-23 Capricorn. Guess it will be “interesting times”.
Cancer asc/Cap Des – I have so many planets on the angles. (stellium in Scorpio in the 4th)
Husbands cap moon
This will probably kill me.
I don’t think it will kill you unless you have personal planets on 21,22 or 23 degrees Cap,but it most certainly won’t be a time to rejoice in the gift of life ! I have mars at 22 cap and I am thinking about forming a little ‘survivors group’ for those of us who have personal planets there,however,I don’t expect a great deal of communication on Jan 14th 2020.Most of us will be in prison,psychiactric wards or dead.And I’m only half joking when I say this.
Well, if I’m still alive, this will hit about a third of the way into my 12th house…as Cardinal as my chart is, I have no personal planets that late in degrees (closest is Uranus @ 16 Libra). Doesn’t seem to aspect anything either. I’m sure I’ll still be affected. I just don’t know how. Guess I’ll be too occupied with Pluto in my 12th to notice. ?
What I find funny is that all of my transiting planets are in the Eastern hemisphere of my chart (they are spread out in my natal chart), with only the True Node hanging out in the West (bucket style). I can’t imagine myself being even MORE independent. ? Self-reliant? Yes.
Anyway, I have my seatbelt on & my tray table has been secured for landing. Bracing myself for Pluto in my 12th. In my 11th, I’ve just had zero desire to be around anyone, talk to anyone, etc. ?
I noticed one of the older comments about the possible inauguration of a new president. And then freeyourgeenie replied: “Uhmm, I have been wondering about that too…I read it heralds the slow and inevitable fall of the patriarchy here in the US, which a scorpion woman president could arguably represent.”
Will be interesting to see what happens given the current sh*t-show happening in US politics currently.
My daughter will be 7 at that time, all of her angles are 22/24 Cardinal, with her n.Saturn conj at 22 Libra,
so her first Saturn square. Her biological father’s Moon (Cancer/12th) will be affected and I have a feeling he may try to come back into her life at this time.
His n.Moon squares n.Pluto in the 4th (family) and trines n.Saturn in the 5th(children). Also, my daughter’s Sun (father) is natally in her 8th house (Pluto), which also trines the n.Saturn.
I’m going to need to be extra supportive at this time I think ?
If you look at the history timelines of the Saturn-Pluto Synodic Cycles, you will see that hints start to show up a few years prior, and we will be getting our first hint in 2017, when the new president will assume office. Then, this cycle will culminate during the next election, in 2020, and a new cycle will begin. I will be watching the inauguration speech of 2017 with great interest, since Mrs. Clinton closed the 2nd debate with the warning that this was an especially important election, nationally and internationally, due to long-term policy decisions coming up. Maybe the changes will be brought about leading up to 2020, when they will then be enforced.
On a personal level for you, maybe the ex will start to come back into your daughter’s life as you suggested, and by 2020 demand partial or full custody?
He has been out of the picture since I was pregnant and owes me tens of thousands in child support,etc so if he does show up it would be welcome just for that. He’s very manipulative and delusional though so it’s very doubtful he will ever have any kind of relationship with her (that I would allow anyway). I’m just nervous to have to explain all of the negative stuff with her about him. I mean I obviously don’t need to tell her everything, but I believe in being honest with her and I know she will start asking at some point anyway, so I guess I’ll have to figure out what to say now so I’m prepared.
Thank you for your insight ?
Yes!!!! Sounds very interesting!!!!!
Be careful of power games, which Pluto rules
The ones that I have the most sympathy for are souls incarnating on 12/01/2020.They must have accrued some very heavy karma ! I would certainly be reluctant to emerge from the womb with that energy around,but I suppose if anyone could survive it a Capricorn could.
Hello Elsa, To be honest I am scared with this article, since a conjunction of Saturn with Pluto in Capricorn at 22 degrees on January 12th, 2020 will affect me (my Sun is in Capricorn at 19 degrees, in my 10th house, conjuncts MC, squares Saturn in Aries, in my 12th house, trines Pluto in Virgo, in my 6th house). Somehow it will be connected with my work (Saturn and Pluto in my 10th house trine my natal Pluto in my 6th house) and my career (Saturn and Pluto in my 10th house conjunct my Sun in my 10th house and MC). Should I rely on help of Jupiter in Capricorn at 9 degrees, which will conjunct my MC?
Hi Nikki, my advice would be to build as strong as you can within yourself.Capricorn is mentally a very strong sign anyway, but you have been warned in advance of this conjunction so please take steps to consolidate your position in life.This will probably be the most difficult time of your life( the tenth house also has a strong emphasis on a parent) Quite frankly,if your career crumbles to dust,then you will have got away quite lightly with this conjunction.Don’t forget this conjunction also includes Sun and Mercury.The stronger you can prepare your psyche the better you can withstand this onslaught.Have faith in your ability to survive.I am quietly shitting myself,but you have youth and a Capricorn soul on your side.
Hi Astromancer, thank you for your advice. My Capricorn soul has helped me several times when I worked as an interpreter in a conflict zone. I have survived revolutions and wars. Another war? Another revolution? As you said the tenth house has a strong emphasis on a parent. This will probably be the most difficult time of my life. I would be less concerned about my career. I have a feeling that it already crumbles to dust, since I am unemployed right now.
What finally happened, Nikki?
I would not rely on Jupiter – sorry. Jupiter is in the sign of it’s Fall (Capricorn). It’s also separated by degree. Just looking at the picture, you’re going to have to reach to Jupiter.
I’m not saying that’s impossible. There is some grace our there, but it will be limited. Therefore, again, I would not RELY on it. You just don’t see a stellium in Capricorn like that and expect gifts to float down from the sky…unless of course, you have seriously paid some dues.
Reaching out to Jupiter at the right time? Like the Jews that escaped Nazi Germany before the extermination began kind of luck?
Oh, that’s interesting. Have you seen the movie, Defiance? You can search it on this blog.
That group was free, but worked hard for it, faced their fears.
Rather than luck, it’s luck you paid you dues for. They took a difficult path.
That’s run for the hills, while the borders are still open
Maybe many of us will be leaving US to head for Mexico at that point. We’ll have to climb the wall, but hell, with Saturn toward the end of Capricorn our wall climbing skills should prove quite proficient by then.
Or maybe Canadians will wall US citizens out of their country, bureaucratically and/or physically?
It is interesting to reflect on these posts, knowing now the direction Trump is trying to take in regard to immigration to the USA, and how US citizens now need visas to leave the country.
Visa to leave the country? This means exit visas?
http://www.workpermit.com/news/eu-and-trump-us-visa-war-intensifies-both-americans-and-europeans-possibly-losing-visa-free
Hmm that will conjunct my natal mars in capricorn, that is already opposed Uranus in Cancer and both squaring natal saturn in Libra. The squares can be more difficult I believe…I will be 68 in 2020, so hopefully have enough life lessons under my belt by then to deal with it.
It won’t be exactly conjunct anything of mine, but I do have Neptune, Uranus, and NN in Capricorn all in the 1st house. It will however be squaring my Midhaven. I don’t have any Capricorn house cusps so it won’t be transiting any of my houses…
My partner has Saturn in Capricorn at 21 degrees in the 1st house. I hope it isn’t so incredibly hard on him. He has suffered enough in this life.
This will oppose my natal Sun at 22 Cancer. The stellium will go through my 2nd house. Either I will be dead broke or wealthy beyond means. My progressed Moon is in the 1st quarter phase, so I plan on keeping the losses at bay by working my buns off. But since Jupiter is my chart ruler, I have faith that I shall get through this. Around that time my progressed Sun is also conjuncting my natal Pluto. I have gone through hell already, so I am used to difficulty. It will be what it’ll be. No fear, just trust that I’ll be ready for whatever comes!
I have not only this conjunction bang on my natal mars at 22 cap[ninth house] but at the same time my progressed moon enters scorpio{death] and progressed sun enters aries[combat/war] conjunct chiron[the terminally wounded,Basically I am trying to resign myself to being murdered on the 12th Jan 2020, two weeks before my 55th birthday.This sounds melodramatic but I am quite certain of this.What I am less sure of is weather to do as the sabian symbol for 22 cap suggests and die gracefully or take up arms and put up a heroic fight,but either way I’m screwed as if I take someone else’s life in self defence I am still going to spend several years in prison which I am mentally unequipped for and spiritually there are going to be dire karmic repercussions for me,Then again,is this my karma I am reaping from a previous life? I certainly have a very pronounced and debilitating saturn[I am currently on enough antidepressants to drop a small elephant] in my natal chart.Is all this shit courtesy of a wondrous and kind deity,or indeed, a deity of any description?.If it is, then I wish to confront Him/Her/Them/It and lay charges of incompetence,cruelty and neglect.But I could be waiting quite some time as the queue to confront this deity is predictably longer than the circumference of the Earth!
This stellium will fall in the second house of the USA opposite her Mercury in the eighth. I wonder if censorship and secrets will become an issue around the time of the next election? Perhaps the internet will become infested with government ‘spies’ (Mercury in the eighth) Also our ‘inheritance’ i.e., national identity and maybe social security?
It passes over my ascendant so I am preparing for possibly not having the retirement funds I’ve counted on my entire life. Perhaps being afraid to express my opinions online? Worrying….
Those are interesting thoughts amh. Mercury also represents neighbors, and ours are Mexico and Canada. Maybe Trump will build that wall.
Now that there is a Gemini US president (mercury) I wonder if this applies to him personally, and to Americans collectively…Trump’s secrets, maybe, or his demise, politically or otherwise.
Trump (mercury) tried to release all the JFK assassination files (secrets/pluto) at the end of October, 2017, but he got blocked at the last minute from achieving full disclosure. The people/agencies that blocked him have until the end of April 2018 to explain in detail why the American people can’t see the full account of events leading to the death of a beloved president. What is the “serious threat” to national security that lays hidden in the papers that were not released in Oct?
This conjunction will be on my natal sun in my 9th house. I’m very curious to know what happens then? any idea?
I am really scared and excited at the same time.
I have a 1st house cap stellium. Pluto has already been conjuncting my 1st house sun 11degree.
But in 2020 when the conjunction is happening at 22degree cap. It will also conjunct my moon,mercury,neptune witch all are in degree 22. After that in degree 25 where I have uranus.
It’s so wierd that it’s happening on the same degree as my stellium is happening.
I know i’m gonna be okay, because i’m survivor. But I really don’t know what to expect.
Thanks Elsa. 🙂
Just noticed that today is the 22nd as well.
2020 onwards is going to be a year to remember…
natal Jupiter 3deg Libra 11th House – Squared by transit Jupiter
natal Saturn 4deg libra 11th House (1 Deg from end of house 11) squared by Transit Jupiter
Natal Pluto 21deg Libra 12th house Squared by Transit Jupiter,Saturn and Pluto around those deg
Natal Ascendant 25deg Libra … Squared also by transit jupiter, saturn and pluto within 2deg (pluto bieng much later)
I agree with you, 2020 will be a year to remember, but historically, it’s the squares and oppositions to the pluto/saturn conjunction cycles that are the most difficult to deal with, on a global level.
With the yanks voting Donald Trump into the White house.A man with no political experience and with the mental and verbal capacity of a reality tv contestant I think it is only a matter of time before he makes a colossal blunder.That blunder could well occur around December 2019-January 2020.God help us all !
Interesting, and kinda scary! This Saturn/Pluto conjunction will be exact on my Descendant and squaring my natal Libra Saturn/Pluto conjunction in the 4th house on and off. Since I am currently experiencing the transiting Uranus opposing these natal planets I could catch a “glimpse“ of what it is that could , and possibly, should happen. Some kind of inward, as well as the outward cleansing, which I have already began, reviewing old beliefs and facing some deep rooted fears. Hope that there will be no more deaths in my family in the near future, since the year 2016 was rather tough.
After all, transiting North Node will be conjuncting my natal Sun/Mars in the 12th house and Jupiter opposing these,so it could be some transformation but it could bring about some positive results and events if the“ cleansing“ is done.
Now in 2017, still single and without a proper job,I hope this will mean some kind of transformation through partnership, marriage maybe,and some new job opportunities and changes . Being into astrology myself, I have noticed that for some people only “challenging“ transits can bring about something, even good things! For example,when transiting Uranus squared my Sun/Mars and was on my MC,together with Pluto opposing these, I decided to completely change my career and became a student again in order to have the chance to do sth more interesting and satisfying to me when I finish my studies. That period was difficult at times, ( and even before that,from 2008 onwards! ) but it was a once in a lifetime chance to make sth out of my life.
So I guess these transits really CAN be challenging, but they don’t always bring bad things! The REAL PROBLEM IS that many people DON’T WANT CHANGES, they want status quo, but these aspects REALLY, I mean really-DEMAND PROFOUND CHANGES in someone’s life. The trick is to realise what it is that should be changed and let go of.
This Pluto Saturn conjunction occurs in 2020 in my 12th house AND squares bout my natal pluto (24° libra) and natal saturn (19° libra)… yikes, at least I’ve been warned ! 🙂 ♡ Jen 4/4/82 03:20am st Charles mo
In Capricorn (9th house) I have Neptune at 20 degrees, Uranus at 22 and the MC at 28. Also around that time Uranus will be transiting my moon in 28 degrees Aries and my rising in 2 degrees Taurus.
Will I die?
Probably not. Seems like you were born in the middle of the 1990s. So if you die, then because of violence or a really serious disease. Any signs for that?
Of course Neptun and Uranus will feel Saturn and Pluto. When Uranus is over Moon and rising, then people in your environment will probably (at least when you ask them) tell you that you’ve changed a lot.
I have a stelium in Aries. like 4 planets, i wonder…Aries is my 9 th house
On the other hand, has someone of you read the books of Johannes Vehlow, a german astrologer…he proposed a new house system…find it very interesting
Same thing for me Phoenixrising. Dsc at 22 dg Cap.
Good grief….what now
Descendant 23 cap here, with a Venus/Jupiter conjunction on it, square to Uranus. We’ll have to compare notes after the event!
I think that main question,for me,is will this conjunction have a wider,possibly global impact.It certainly has the power to do so.Perhaps this could be ascertained by an understanding of what is happening with the fixed stars.I am not very conversant with this aspect of astrology and would like to hear the views of someone who is. thank you.
It’s called Mundane astrology, Martin. You can research the Synodic Periods of Pluto and Saturn conjunctions to get an understanding of their global impact. If the conjunction strikes a planet in your natal chart, you get to feel it personally, too. Hopefully, someone else can fill us in on the fixed stars.
I’m glad that the conjunction will take place some degrees behind my North Node, so that it is a seperative transit for me. I’m glad because the Uranus square Pluto of the last years had hit me and tried to kill me. Good luck for your turn!
Yes, it hits me, personally. 🙂
….then may I offer my sincere wishes for the best possible time 🙂
Thank you. I appreciate them.
That day’s transit on my chart will only form sextiles, trines and conjunctions. Except the opposition of Neptune to natal Mercury, which is already active. I don’t know if the absence of challenging aspects is going to make this transit easier or will it mean a lack of initiative to overcome any difficulty it may bring…
Well what do ya know…this exact conjunction sextiles my natal Pluto/ASC, 3-degree squares my natal Mars, and 5-degree trines my natal Sun. Cap Pluto hammering my 11th house stellium has not been the easiest thing to deal with, and I’m just bracing myself for Saturn to come through.
It hits my 6th. IC/MC in 27 Libra/Aries, Mercury 22 Cancer. Sun 0 Cancer. Pluto Libra 16
The last Saturn-Pluto conjunction upended my life. The one in the early 80’s hit my IC exact and split my parents up and left my mother and I homeless. The Capricorn super stellium in the 90’s destabilized my home life again and I spent my teenage years largely unguided by parents because they were either in another country or mentally ill. And given my home life was awful –I ran away and became your cliche self-destructive youth of the 90’s. It took a lot of growing up to move past that.
When Pluto opposed my Sun as an adult, I reinvented my life again. This was a much more positive change–one I’m very happy to have made.
But ALL of these events still have ramifications on my life even now. Permanent decisions, emotional breaks, regrets, and losses that can’t be undone.
What will Saturn-Pluto do now? 6th house opposite Mercury in 12th. Oy. I’ve already had like 3 health scares this past year… And Pluto has already quite literally sent one of my siblings (Mercury) to jail (12th) ?
I’ll just try not to think of it. ?
Hi Primrose, this was a scary experience!I was just wandering about our daughter who will be impacted as her IC is on 23 degrees Capricorn. She will be 13. Would aspects like this have equal intensity on a child (because their lives are still impacted by the parents decisions and the charts of parents)? Anything else you can share would be great to prepare for this transit. If anyone else has had experience on IC would be most helpful. Thank you.
P.S: her natal Pluto is at 24 degrees Sag, so I expect this will be triggered too.
So, what DID it do?
As a Cardinal(Libra), I have been tested for about 7 years. While at times difficult and others, extremely unhappy, I persevered, did what I had to do and put one foot in front of the other. This stellium will hit my 2nd house and I have natal Jupiter at 23 degrees. I will take what comes and go from there but I hope it will be positive because as you say, “I’ve paid my dues”.
squares my sun
that might explain why I’m preparing for war.
in abstract. but there’s a strong sense of urgency to train up, finish up, get rid of the BS and reduce my footprint so i can be mobile and adaptive when the shoe drops. i can feel it coming.
Pats, South node/Saturn being hit like that reminds me of the song “she’s a beast, I call her Karma”, though she might look like a Venus to you.
Now that just gave me a real fright. 1990 – 1993 was when I had my 2 sons. My now ex-husband had walked out of the family when our daughter was diagnosed as deaf in Sept 1990, then foolishly I let him back into the marital home in early 1991 as I was pregnant with child #2 also born in 1991. This conjunction in 2020 is wide in # 2’s chart but in the youngest son’s chart, it is exact & partile to multiple points.
His IC 22*17′ Capricorn in H3/MC 22*17′ Cancer in H9 both square Mars 21*55 Libra in H12 & trine/sextile Sun 22*10′ Virgo in H11. He also has Uranus 18*17′ Rx conjunct Neptune 18*26′ Rx in H3.
At present he is estranged from myself & his 2 older siblings. He works fly-in/fly-out (FIFO) & lives with his father in a house he has apparently just purchased. Something is definitely going to happen here; home/travel/father/siblings.
I just had another look at my own chart. This photo snip posted by Elsa shows this will conjunct my Saturn in H2 & is opposite my Sun in H8 so, is it me or my shadow? Better still, will I be jumping at shadows ((giggles)).
Using profections, I will be in H11 for that year making my Lord of the Year, Venus placed in natal H7 (profected H9) & by then just into H7 (Aries) for that month. Where is Mars? Natal H10/profected H12! Gulp!
I have an 8th house stellium of Mars 8° Libra, Saturn 19° Libra, Pluto 25° Libra, Jupiter 8° Scorpio… sun sitting in opposition at 14° aries…. 12th house cusp is 17° Capricorn with my SN right on top at 18°…. oh and did I mention ALL of my natal outer planets are retrograde??? 14+ years of intensive astrology self-education and I am stumped… personal insights are the hardest though, eh? I’d love to hear any of yours, friends! ?
Ok, how about you are deeply concerned with money in 2020, when you come up with an ingenius idea that rakes in the big bucks? It is just a guess- you didn’t mention where revolutionary Uranus is in your natal/transiting chart, and you are an Aquarius rising, yes? Perhaps you could look at where and how all this action will be affecting your rising sign’s planet.
Uranus sits (right on my 3°53’Sag MC)at 4°20′ Sag… Looks like Mars will be transiting 4° Sag in the first week or so of January as well! Oh boy
Mars transiting my MC has always been about ambition and competition- 2 sides of the same coin.
What I find interesting about this stellium is just two days before there is a Lunar Eclipse (1/10/2020) in Cancer at 20 degrees trine transiting Neptune in Pisces 16 degrees (albeit four degrees wide). This feels eerily unsettling; especially with Saturn conjunct Pluto squaring the dwarf planet Eris (in Aries) which has gone stationary.
Interesting fact: Around the time Eris was discovered, just before Eris was about to be honored by the status of being the 10 planet, the astronomers called an end to the madness of the numerous discoveries in the solar system and decided to demote Pluto and promote Ceres.
Be that as it may, Eris expresses her energy very strongly. She exposes hypocrisy and takes an eye for an eye! So how will she deal with squaring Pluto conjunct Saturn? The empty leg of this cardinal cross is Libra (unless you consider the asteroid Juno as relevant to this eclipse). Equality and fairness seem to be themes of this Capricorn stellium and Lunar Eclipse.
What do you think Elsa?
Although I’m not Elsa, thanks Mara for adding the missing parts. Don’t overlook that also Ceres and the planetary nodes of Saturn and Pluto will take part in the conjunction. The degree will also be activated again later in the year, noteworthy should be Jupiter’s direct transit over it.
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I agree with you that Eris is underestimated. She’s somehow the actual cause of Pluto’s demotion. But I’m not convinced that she’s there for vengeance and for exposing hypocrisy. Mythological Eris caused arguments, astronomical Eris caused an argument about the status of Pluto. So until something different is proved, I rather see (astrological) Eris as there in order to cause arguments. With a square this can still become bloody.
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Because you mentioned Pluto’s demotion and Ceres’ promotion, so I feel the need to add the most important supplement to this. As Ceres was discovered in 1801 she also was immediately accepted as a planet! Already a long time before many people found the gap between Mars and Jupiter quite suspicious. A planet there was a much smaller surprise than the discovery of Uranus. But then were even more planets discovered between Mars and Jupiter. Palles, Juno, Vesta, Astraea, and there seemed to be no reason anymore why there shouldn’t be expected more. But many in one orbit and you can see them only with a telescope, could these really be planets? So all five were demoted and the term asteroid invented for them. An important point here is: If you see Pluto as important because Pluto is an ex-planet, then it would be mere hypocrisy seeing Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, and Astraea not as important on the same level. So yes, Juno matters if Pluto matters, so Juno is important in the constellation of 2020.
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Ceres was the only celestial object, which status was changed already twice! There is certainly some astrological meaning hidden in this. Pluto wasn’t the first celestial object, which was demoted from the status of a planet. The debate resembled very much the debate one and a half century before and came to the almost same results. What short memories astronomers have! At least they also decided that Pluto and Eris aren’t asteroids. Instead the category of plutoids was invented. So if Pluto is important, then Eris must be important too. Asteroids resonate with the orbit of Jupiter, plutoids resonate with the orbit of Neptune, Pluto does this with 3:2 (an orbit with a period of 240 yrs versus an orbit with a period of 160 yrs), plutoids with this ratio are called plutinos. This is true for Ixion and Orcus. So if Pluto matters, then Ixion and Orcus must matter too! Obviously there is a tendency to the need to watch also all of the plutoids.
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This was much lengthier than I wanted, but these are points, which people mustn’t forget for the sake of astrology!
Ixion, oh no…it’s gonna be ugly:( family member against family member – when will we learn?
Some see Ixion rather as the principle of wish for power, narcism, narcistic insult, anger, rebelion against authorities. I’d rather say Ixion represents everything, which astrological wannabes wish to attribute to Nessus mistakenly like rape and abuse. But enlightening is how Ixion’s criminal career began in mythology: he didn’t want to pay the agreed price for his wife. So Ixion is the Homo oeconomicus, hence very important in our time. But is Ixion part of the conjunction somehow?
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Ixion makes three conjunctions with Saturn this year (2017). One still left, occuring October, the 29th and thus beginning the next Saturn-Ixion-cycle. Pholus is currently conjunct the Galactic Center, so additionally magnifying Saturn and Ixion, that are only two degrees in front of the Galactic Center, when they’ll be performing their conjunction. So Ixion rather shows things, which already begin in 2017.
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Like always it depends on your natal chart what Ixion can do to you. In mine Ixion is conjunct Mars, part of a planetoid stellium.
This conjunction will fall on my IC and square my Mars in Libra, which is exactly on my ASC :((( And soon comes Saturn return. I guess things can always go worse than we thought…
So, different from many others, you have at least the chance to escape by relocating.