Being Misinterpreted – Pluto Transit Square Mercury

Dart_gunI’ve got Pluto stationing in hard aspect to my natal Mercury, where Mercury is a major planet in my world.  I am loathe to say anything to anyone because people keep being damaged by my communications. I can figure out why this happened. once it happens but injuring them (or anyone else) was not my intention so it’s pretty gross.  It’s like walking in a room and everyone faints because you smell so bad, but you had no idea there was an odor!

I think this happens from time to time, with a person like me. You can’t have Mars conjunct Mercury and not write or speak in a way that is abrasive or challenging at least some of the time but recently it’s been crazy. I keep saying or writing things will no ill intention whatsoever. Then people internalize the communication, random people in many cases, people I am not even addressing, and they wind up bloodied, laid out on the ground. Whaaaat?

I can’t blame these other people because I am the common denominator. But I can say it’s  not a good feeling when the words you use, which  you feel are regular or even innocuous, turn into poison darts in translation.

I am not sure what to do about this besides talk less.   I’d also like to say for the record, that there is not person out there whom I would like to harm. I’m just not strung that way as my anger lasts about as long as a drop of water in a hot frying pan.

Have you ever had a period where you struggled to communicate?

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Being Misinterpreted – Pluto Transit Square Mercury — 93 Comments

  1. I have transiting pluto conjunct my mercury, so some people have told me i sound more abrupt and defensive than i used to.
    I feel like i can’t please everyone, so i would just rather be myself than worry about satisfying social norms.

  2. It’s very difficult. I am operating (intellectually) on a base level level right now. Pigs are pigs, no lipstick.

    I am going to try to channel this into something powerful, healing and helpful. Maybe I’ll succeed. 🙂

  3. Getting fresh air and sports helps i noticed.

    Tomorrow i am having an interview and i am already dreading how they’re going to perceive me. Even when i look at people i feel like some sort of laser, which cuts through their facade.

    I also started one project, which requires deep research; i do it on my own, so it helps.

  4. For example, now in my life… I am struggling to heard. This has been the week for HELL!

    I have Virgo in Mercury and a Moon in Leo. I am experiencing a lot of – “pushback” from certain people… Anyone else experiencing this same opposition from loved ones?

  5. I for one take what you say seriously and if I feel a twinge from it I ask myself why? What hit me in that and usually I see that it’s a trigger for me to work on something. Not you being nasty but me needing to address something..

    And usually it’s something lit up in my chart that if you had typed the same words at another time they wouldn’t have made me twinge…

  6. Elsa, I can so relate to what you are saying (I think! – these days, who knows??!!) I had responded before to your musing on Mercury and Pluto. I have Mercury in Aries, Pluto on my Asc, Scorpio on the 3rd. Throughout my life, it seems I have OFTEN said exactly the words that — if they don’t wound another — then they at least brush up or poke the other person’s deepest wounds. And I am not CONSCIOUSLY intending to do that! I emphasize consciously because I have come to believe, for myself, that I must be at some level unconsciously aware of the wounds and how to wound. And that is quite a responsibility to have. Hopefully, since I’m pursuing a degree in counseling, I’ll have the opportunity — especially with Pluto hanging out with me and my mind for awhile — learn how to use that ability to heal and not hurt.

  7. I also feel that some want to get near the fire but when it’s hot, they have a problem.

    Years ago I wrote about the FACT that if I were a man, I would be having people sign a consent before I got into a bed with them – it’s so common (at times) that people think I’ve victimized them.

    It was Kobe Brant back then, that brought this up. I really think that girl consented to have sex with him. But then she found herself bent over being fucked by a huge, very powerful man and it overwhelmed her.

    He said he was holding her down. “That’s how I do it,” he said…which was so stupid / innocent it had to be truth. It was news to him he was raping someone, see? That’s how he fucks!

    Anyway, same with me. I am asked to be potent and when I am – wham!

    Ultimately it’s about control. I am to be controlled but this is just not possible – I was raised by those Aquarians. 🙂

    I do have Libra though. I hate strife so my remedy is to withdraw.

    ::periscope down:: while I research other ways to communicate.

  8. I’ve struggled for years, as I would mention on the boards, and in some blog comments. I don’t have Pluto in aspect to Mercury, but I have had my t-square with Pluto included, and I have Pluto in my 3rd house now. I wondered if that was causing the depression to just get worse and worse, and for my reactions being so strong. I’ve been struggling to deal with it, and with my “new normal”.

    And that’s why I was banned, even though I didn’t mean anything – although I know how one thing sounded to one person, that wasn’t taken as me taking something personally when I felt I was at my lowest, and just acknowledging that I thought nobody would really care. I thought everyone would be better off without me. That’s why I ended up calling a hotline, not only last October, but just before Christmas. I was trying to tell you that I could relate to some things.

    Pluto co-rules my ascendant, and is in my 11th in Placidus in Libra. I have felt repulsive in ways, even if that wasn’t the case, for years, but I cast some blame on the a-holes who got me there in the first place, as a kid. I feel best interacting with people who know me well, people I can relax with, and in places like bookstores, where I can be around people without the need to actually interact. I’ve never wanted to be trouble, and have tried my whole life to avoid trouble, and it’s just horrible to be in either situation.

  9. ELsa There are times when you say what i would not expect you to say considering that you are supposed to be helping people. You tend to have a go at those who are poor and need help from the government to survive. Its contradictory. Its quite frankly uncaring and shows a certain level of ignorance about the situation of the poor, and dare I say it arrogance.

    If there was anything I could do without hearing or reading is from those who know everything about being poor without ever being poor themselves.

    I am sorry elsa but I dont feel or know for that matter that its just not about the pluto/mercury contact that is at this time making you say things that could hurt others – you do it at other times as well.

    Maybe and I am guessing that this contact has suddenly made you more aware that you could and or do say things that upset others. It has raised your awareness and or empathy.

    • “If there was anything I could do without hearing or reading is from those who know everything about being poor without ever being poor themselves.”

      I don’t think you know who you’re talking to. I was a homeless teenager. I ate paper to fill my stomach when I was a little girl. I didn’t have shoes. I wore a PE suit (outgrown) every day all summer long because I did not have any clothing.

      Seriously, you’re off base here – far, far, far off base.

      • ps – I am not surprised that I say things you would not expect when your definition or belief of who I am is so egregiously wrong.

        I was talking to someone yesterday – the fact is, you would be hard pressed to find another American who grew up with less than I did, and includes every ghetto in this country and all of Appalachia.
        ::laughs::

        I understand if you don’t like me but rethink the idea that I am ignorant about poverty.

  10. (((((Elsa))))))

    I have Mercury in a T-square with Uranus/Saturn and have had many periods during which I struggled to communicate.

    I can absolutely understand your feeling about talking less, and the above comment illustrates this perfectly.

  11. I am not saying I dont like you – I dont know you – but there are times when your attack on those who cant help themselves rankles.

  12. It’s not cherry picking. These are your words:
    “You tend to have a go at those who are poor and need help from the government to survive. Its contradictory. Its quite frankly UNCARING and shows a certain level of IGNORANCE about the situation of the poor, and dare I say it ARROGANCE.”

    Again, what are you talking about? As in examples?

  13. @Kashmiri – my comments are not incorrect. If you care to look through the comments over the past you will see where i coming from. Its no attck on you and was never meant to be an attack on elsa – just an observation.

  14. You come here to her website and call her ignorant, arrogant and uncaring – yes that is an attack.

    An unsubstantiated slanderous attack. You’ve provided no examples and frankly owe her an apology.

  15. Your observation that I am ignorant about poverty is off base. Since your attitudes are formed around that bit of misinformation, do you not think you might want to take some time out to reevaluate?

  16. So, how long have you been reading this blog? I’ve been reading since 2006 and think you are wrong. Period.

    Unless you have been reading longer, it is fair to say I have read a hell of a lot more comments than you have and you are wrong.

    I have been the recipient of Elsa’s generosity more times than I can count.

    You are free to be delusional if you want re. Elsa attacking the poor. Knock yourself out–you obviously need someone to shit on today, yourself.

  17. @ jilly it is cherry-picking when you dont take into account he whole post though – just a paragrapgh. How did I end the entry?

    Its seems that you people take what i wrote out of context and turned it around to make of it what you wanted.

    It was never an attack. If it was an attack it would have been a lot lot worse.

  18. @Persona, Are you new here? Otherwise, how could you not realize that Elsa grew up in extreme poverty and went to work at a very young age to elevate herself.
    IMO Elsa is very supportive of people who want to better themselves.

  19. @ denise

    And thats what is so remarkable – if elsa grew up in extreme poverty why she puts those down who are in poverty.

    And not everyone who is in poverty can better themselves – no matter how much they would like too. And I suppose its for these people I feel for.

  20. Elsa knows I’m poor and why it’s been hard for me to work (as with Jilly and her severe health problems) – and I too have been the silent recipient of her behind-the-scenes generosity.

    You seem to have a problem with English, persona: your posts above are in most cases inarticulate to the degree they are barely comprehensible. If you were better able to understand the language, and read her past posts with care, you’d know that Elsa is only harsh on people who are or play poor when they have a choice to be otherwise – ie people who expect to live off others and have no moral compunction about doing so

    If Elsa has a fault or rather an Achilles Heel in regard to her Mars/Mercury, it’s that she sometimes takes offence where none was meant because her M/M are so over-sensitized now by all the attacks on her. So she sounds off in retaliation, then forgets all about it – while the poster in question often flounces off in a huff! I’ve seen this happen several times…

    Your comments above certainly are an attack on Elsa; and since she’s the hostess here they display a gross lack of manners, quite apart from being plain wrong which makes the attack even less acceptable. I think you need to adjust your perspective – in several regards

  21. I have a natal square between Mercury and Pluto and Scorpio Saturn. Being misinterpreted happens a LOT! I’ve learn to just shut up and say my pieces in private to myself. Although my Mercury sextile my Moon so I can be a good listener but I’ll definitely censor what I saw because it takes forever to make someone understand what I really think.
    And now that Neptune will conjunct my Midheavean soon well hello hall of mirrors!!

  22. @jilly – I would need some time to look through elsaelsa history of threads.

    @kasmira – really – ouch – rush me to the burns unit – and yes that is me having a go at you.

    @elsa – ignorant to remarkable – where did you see that – I wrote “And thats what is so remarkable – if elsa grew up in extreme poverty why she puts those down who are in poverty.”

    Do any of you read what is written – completely read??

  23. Persona, it’s folks like you that epitomize what the aspects of human beings that I loathe. Perish the thought that my Sun-Neptoon conjunction ever gets me to what dumm hell you’re at.

    It’s still early over here, but you get the Meta Troll Award of the Day.

  24. I like it when you dig deep. I can understand it is not a comfortable position but you’ve mined some incredible hard-won insights. And there are very few people like you – left standing – who are willing to share these insights too.

    Persona’s comments are so off-base if not (unwittingly) eye-opening. Neptune anyone?

  25. You lot have made an argument out of nothing – if anything has been orchestrated it has to be this attack on myself. I wrote nothing wrong – it was not an attack – just an observation.

    The real question is why have you lot misconstrued what i wrote and then proceeded to attack me on what is a faulty premise devised by yourselves.

    I have done nothing wrong. You lot have decided to make an issue out of it.

    I hope you enjoyed it immensely.

    And how importent do you lot think you are anyway. Put him on your ignore list !! really – so painful. As if you lot are that imporant to my survival.

    Get over yourselves.

  26. Oy. This post and the comments sparked a way too long for the comments entry…So, I’m placing an excerpt here. Am going to think ver (but not overthink) the value of placing the full text on the boards…

    [snip] Sometimes being misunderstood or taken out of context is so daunting that I start to doubt myself, my motivations and my place at the table. But ultimately I am confident in the self-knowledge that I’m not a shit-stirrer nor a hurtful, destructive or meanspirited person.

    And just because my ideas and opinions may not be in vogue or “pc”–and especially that my ideas may sometimes be complicated and complex–does not make them fallacious or invaluable. In some/many instances, it might make them all the more salient, frankly.” [snip]

  27. Yes. Most of my life. I’ve had Neptune opposing Mars-Mercury in the 8th for the longest time, plus I am generally not clear, so yes, I’ve had a long period where I struggled to communicate. Currently, it’s getting easy aspects from Pluto.

    It’s more my problem than theirs to be clear enough.

    There have been many times I have injured people without intending to, and it’s never a good feeling. The best I can do is be aware of it or what can happen and be very very clear in my intentions. Because I’ve expressed myself and my intentions clearly, what they choose to do/believe is up to them. I still feel bad when they don’t believe me though. I do my best to make amends and I really do sympathize with their injury, but that’s really all I can do. I’ve apologized, clarified my intentions, and felt for them and at some point that has to be enough.

  28. So, we are a lot? Can we all get jacket’s with our names on it and stuff.

    Persona, when you walk into a party and spit on the host chances are there are other guests who will get offended.

    Anyway, about this Merc to Pluto aspect. Ya reckon it might draw some verbal attacks? Maybe?

  29. Yes – I have this natally – pluto square mercury, and when saturn was transiting my moon it was like every third word out of my mouth was misinterpreted.

    I would put this experience down to saturn in libra.

    I had to learn how to hold my communications close – like it or not.

  30. Hey Elsa,

    Just a word of public support. We just had a very intense consultation earlier this week which, as you know, which culminated in you effectively telling me I needed to grow up or potentially face finding myself alone when I’m older. It was unpleasant but necessary — vital, even — communication. You’ve given me a lot to consider, and I’m grateful for it, even if it hurts to hear it. So far as I’m concerned, you are at peak communication power now. Fuck ’em if they can’t handle it. Their problem, not yours.

  31. Just to go back to language and posting on a blog 101.. saying “you are this..” is a statement to that person.. and if it’s a negative statement then it’s an attack.. it’s NOT a general conversation.

    “You are so mean on poor people (to paraphrase)” is an attack. How YOU can’t see that when YOU are reacting to others addressing yourself and feeling attacked is beyond me.

    I know I used to use the word “seem” .. like “you seem stupid” but even that is offensive as it’s the poster’s own issue of projection.. NOT the problem of the receiver..

    got it?

    And Elsa even tried to give you the key to your own misconception of her.. to help you out of the pickle you entered into.. she’s got libra and cap.

  32. Thank you, Stephanie. I feel strongly that I have to do what I am hired to do and in your case…well you are attracted to brains. I don’t think you would have appreciated my playing dumb as you lay dying. (((((Stephanie)))))

  33. Reminds me of the old cartoon of marching cadets at the passing out parade, with one proud Mom observing to her husband “Look Fred, they’re all out of step except our Johnny!”

    Maybe persona when you’re in a minority of one, you might stop and consider whether you might be the one in the wrong? As for ‘out of context’ – the only context we have is this one. Words mean what they mean, not what you CHOOSE them to mean at any random moment

  34. Also: unpleasant but necessary is one of the (many) things at which you excel, Elsa. I wouldn’t be where I am now if you hadn’t told me over the years a) get your shit together now or you won’t have a chance for a long time and b) you got this – keep workin that groove.

    Said it before, will say it again: thanks! You rock my (zebra striped) socks.

  35. Sanity check. [scan complete]

    Nope. Not ashamed of myself.

    Yep. Comfortable and confident that Elsa is, was and will continue to be a “good person” and a trusted advisor.

    I placed myself in what was a vulnerable position with Elsa not very long ago. It was only due to the deep trust and respect that she has earned from me.
    That trust was proven out and then some through her taking time and effort and attention in handling of the situation with care, consideration and compassion. ((thank you, Elsa))

    Just wanted to take the opportunity to publically acknowledge that you, Elsa, have my respect and goodwill. I appreciate and benefit from the platform you provide with this site. Your voice and perspective are meaningful, relevant and thoughtful.
    You champion and encourage diversity and reasoned debate. It seems ultimately reasonable to me that you expect/ask people to have the faintest clue about the subject at hand–even then you are regularly generous in letting the chips fall where they may.

  36. Looks like I was late here, too. I was going to tell persona to stop being an a**hole but it looks like he’s already been nuked. Good work. 😉

  37. Boy howdy – I guess someone forgot to take their meds today!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjedLeVGcfE

    Seriously – if you don’t like how things are around here, there’s the door. Don’t let it hit you in the @ss on the way out. It takes a special kind of @sshole to come onto someone else’s blog as a guest and the proceeed to launch an attack. If you don’t see that as a problem, you best check yourself and consider how you might feel if someone busted down the door to your home and started screaming at you.

    Duh.

  38. Calling “persona” on some serious SHENANAGINS!

    Elsa has provided an amazing space and fostered a loving community of folks, who honesty care about each other. I for one am greatfull for all you do here Elsa!!!

    I know how hard it is being misunderstood by the masses ( I have lived most of my life there too ) but please keep finding ways to speak your truth… In turn it helps other people learn to speak theirs.

    (((ELSA)))

  39. I don’t know how I am unable to decifer the expressions of others. Had an interview yesterday and the only thing I was saying was about my current experience and previous responsibilities and got an expression that i did something wrong. I kept thinking what the heck i didnt do right. wahhh

  40. I want a jacket! “One of THAT lot”

    *giggles*

    on a more serious note: wearld, that sounds really frustrating! I’m sorry to hear about your troubles. Hopefully things will work out well for you in spite of the crazy transits! Good luck.

  41. I’m curious about what the original remark was that caused all the commotion. I have a feeling that the specifics would allow for more understanding but perhaps that is confidential material.

    People sometimes bristle at my communcations. Once I said to someone who wanted to get a trip to Paris from husband as reward at the end of a hard summer, “So you will battle it out whether you get to go.”

    She was insulted. “We don’t battle things out.”

    What I was thinking really was that she would battle it out – quietly, subtly – some would say manipulatively – to get the trip approved. But I didn’t say exactly what I thinking and I can see that she didn’t like my characterization of her relationship which as an outsider I’m not in position to understand.

    Still, I feel everyone is entitled to their “own take” on everything.

  42. Late-thread question…was that a zombie? Cuz that seemed to me to be very zombie-esque. Asking honestly. And a Virgo? Not all are bad, but noo water or food after midnight. Simple rules. Joking aside, though…those are my questions, if anyone has input. And thank you for the space in the zombie-free zone.

  43. Shannon, It makes me feel better that someone kind of understands what i am describing. Although i do have the mercury transit square pluto very close and already passed. But no tran. pluto square merc. Interesting

  44. Hey Elsa,
    I’m a newbie here. I like your style. I’ve read a couple of your direct ‘cut to the chase’ responses to clients and on the spot I make a mental note to have a session with you– when I’m in a truth-facing frame. Clearly it’s your role. For what it’s worth, my 3rd house Aries Sun and literal-speak 7th house Pluto in Leo exact square Taurus Mercury salute you. If we’re at all alike, it will happen even if you’re silent : )

    When they’re around me, people’s shadow debris comes leaking out of their psychological basement getting a bit of an airing. I get projected on in social situations, and that makes for a lonely life, but it’s a gift in therapy. Keep it up, here’s a hug xx

  45. Elsa! May I just say, I’ve only spoken to you once but I definitely got a “straight shooter” vibe from you. I am, too so I appreciate this in others. I also seem to elicit “nuclear-esque” responses from others occasionally, usually from people who don’t know me. I don’t know a whole lot about astrology but I have a lot of mercury aspects: conjunct desc, Venus, Saturn (in cancer, 7th h); trine Jupiter (Pisces, 3rd); semi square mars (Leo, 8th) & square Pluto (libra, 9th). I have an unfortunate knack for verbal brutality that was a source of terrible guilt and shame when I was younger so I’m *very conscious* of the way I’m communicating and would never intentionally upset anyone. Doesn’t matter, I can say things that dont set off warning bells for me that others find incredibly insightful or else incredibly hurtful. I always try to make it better but that doesn’t usually work so I have to be confident that my intentions were pure and keep talking…something you, yourself helped me figure out ;). Someone made the comment that we must have the knowledge of what can be hurtful somewhere to use it. I almost like that idea more because there’s hope I’m not tactless and may someday figure it out. Im sure you’ll figure it out first, if it’s possible & I’m counting on you to explain it so you can’t stop talking. WOW..so glad I’m not alone 🙂

  46. Progressed mercury conjunct pluto, mercury conjunct mars natal. Feel like people want a cardboard cut out to talk at, not me.

  47. wow, speak of mercury pluto…

    m’ mercury aspects scorpio. sometimes i just step in it. have learned to apologize. and try to watch myself around thin skinned people (which means i don’t spend time around them much unless i have a real good reason.)
    *shrug.

  48. Holee––kamolee!

    Gotta say, I like Elsa’s style.

    Suits me just fine, more than fine.

    I think we live in a world that has lost much of that power known as ‘common sense’ & much of the respect/admiration that ‘common sense’ deserves.

    ~ys

  49. Yikes! I’m getting nervous! Transiting Pluto is just beginning to oppose my natal Mercury. But truth be told, I experienced a major breakdown during a transiting square from Pluto to my Moon immediately followed by Pluto opposing my natal Sun. The good news is once you come back from the depths of Hell, alive, and you take the time to rebuild, you start becoming aware of your inner strength. To me, Pluto is about going deeper, in this case with respect to communication, and also becoming aware of one’s personal power. First you lose all your power, but then you gradually rebuild it on new, more solid ground and gain fearlessness. I think it’s the hardest lesson to learn, but maybe the most rewarding one as well.

  50. hey elsa, in the same boat,i do see it as healing for others. i do readings and my readings have been hitting the root of the problem. i am not even aware of what is coming out of my mouth at the time, i am horrified at what i have said. it’s that deep, hidden mess that no one wants to talk about and yet is also what needs to surface to be healed. i have had people come back to thank me for the healing. this is a shock to me, when at the time of the reading they looked at me with pure hate in their eyes. i have to share this cause it is so odd, they also are having dreams soon after our reading, healing dreams. pluto is powerful energy and words(mercury)are powerful also. i have to say i have been stepping back to take a better look at what is happening. the changes in the planets have helped to slow things down and review, don’t you love how that works,lol. God only knows, what you might be saying! elsa, that heals someone. flip it around, what pluto does, hurts like hell and yet heals too. by the way, i’d like to say i love your work and how you get it across to us. hades mouth, just kidding, love ya gal

  51. Sheezzz! Sorry I missed this one. I think people like this come in for help but don’t really want help, they want pity… The backlash is that silly projection… “you don’t understand…” We know you do!

  52. I can so relate Elsa, sorry to hear that. Mine is a world of constant communication too and having pluto opposing my merc and still is has been awful, constantly having my words twisted or misquoted has been doing my head in, feel like i need to tape every conversation and talk i give to have proof of what i actually did say.

    I so hope it improves, cos that pluto merc connection really sucks!

  53. I’ve had Pluto conjunct my Cap Mercury/Ceres most of the last year (still conjunct but moving off now).

    I know some get riled by my ‘as I see’ blunt talking here, but I CONSTANTLY get pms from board members telling me how much I’ve helped them, just by posting the way I do.

    I truly feel Merc/Pluto is to be respected, and its healing intensity is there to be used. Surgery is painful, but it’s a life saver – don’t be too cautious, please

  54. Recently had the pluto transit square natal merc. It was uncomfortable. Before I decided to shut up, I made the ever and always mistake of “trying harder.” Wrong!!! Only made it worse.

    But I also get what you wrote recently about those really deep engaging interactions where you share and cry or whatever and really get down to it. Wouldn’t trade those for nuthin.

    Interesting to find the experience could be plutonian. I thought my concurrent heavy neptune transits could have over sensitized me to what was around me.

    The whole experience really grounded and centered me because I had to power through it. Resolved that communication happens on different levels. Had to get beyond the sniping that was ripping at my flesh. It became external noise, like traffic. No sense in yelling at the traffic noise, when sometimes I drive a car too.

    The transit passes but I’m changed for having experienced it.

  55. Coming back to this because I’m going through the same transit (pluto opposite mercury) and I’m beginning to realize retro mars in Virgo isnt the only reason people are flipping out on me.

  56. Elsa, great post. I myself have been experiencing intense pain, reflection, change, loss, etc., what with transiting Pluto being conjunct my natal Venus (Sag), Mars, Sun, and Mercury in Cap since 2006. Transiting Pluto has been conjunct my natal Mercury for a while now, and while I’ve been depressed during the course of my life, nothing compares to the intense and painful depression (and introspection) I’ve been going through for the past year or so. Painful, very painful, but, with Pluto transits, I know “this too shall pass”, and hopefully I will come out of this dark period a wiser person.

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