Pluto In Capricorn: Collective Depression

bowl of cherriesI wrote this is 2015. I thought I should update it now that Saturn has joined Pluto in the sign. Here’s the original post:

“I don’t know anyone who isn’t struggling at this time…”

I’ve lost count how many times I’ve said that over the last few months. Let’s face it. People are suffering. They’re struggling. They’re disillusioned. They’re scared. They’re upset.  

It’s getting harder and harder to offload problems onto other people or to avoid having them in the first place.  Very few people are getting their way. If a person is getting their way, it’s pretty much a given, they’ve probably suffered to be in their position, whether it be visible or not. No one seems to think that “life is a bowl of cherries” anymore.  It seems almost comical to think so many believed that for so long.

Remember the Jupiter Neptune conjunction?  Big fat delusion?  Anyway, I’ve come to realize the collective is depressed. YOU may be okay, but it doesn’t matter because the people around you are not and you’re pulled down by their weight.  Even if you’re not pulled down by their weight yet, I bet you’ve seen enough people crash, you realize that you’re at risk too.

Try to figure out how you’re going to consolidate your losses, and come up with a plan that will solidify (Saturn) your happiness in the future (Sagittarius). There is a path, I’m sure of that.

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To update in 2019,
people seem a lot more grounded in their problems or their depression or their lack or their hardship. It’s become more real and settled.

It doesn’t seem that long ago, people thought they could be anything or have anything. Many thought that just the act of wanting something would bring it into being.  I don’t know anyone who thinks this any more.

This does not mean that people has lost hope, necessarily. But what they hope for is a lot more modest and realistic.

How do you feel with Pluto in Capricorn?

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Pluto In Capricorn: Collective Depression — 54 Comments

    • Yes, Capri ASC here and even though I’m “getting on my way, it’s pretty much a given, I’ve probably suffered to be in this position” like Elsa said, I’m being dragged by other’s weight.

  1. Thats nice Elsa! I hope so. I have fortunes to losses to recoup many times over. Who knows I feel a change like Scorpio in Saturn? I’m checking history here. Thank you !!

  2. Depressed, irritated, at times ready to walk away from everything. I thought this was just my Saturn in 12th house transit. But I had these feelings during Saturn in Scorpio too. The past few years have been hell and I wonder if anyone begins to understand what me and my husband have been through! (The family is only now getting their eyes opened to the degree of hell we dealt thanks to his caregiver’s alcohol addiction. The amount he could drink in a night would kill most grown men!!)

    I feel useless at work, useless to my husband, useless to God, useless to anyone, really. People ask for my help all the time, but I still feel this way.

  3. Pluto is right on top of my south node now. After an amazing trip to my home after colon cancer surgery May 6, 2014 and chemo up to end of December, I wound up in one of THOSE karmic intense WHAM and then it’s over and leaving me reeling relationships. A composite chart study shows all red, everything in opposition – intense attraction, yet love easily turning to difficult, wanting-to-be hate feelings! Wowee. Not sure where I’m at now. Hoping the mutual reception of Saturn and Pluto will allow me to rest mindfully and hold myself gently.

  4. Here is the very short story I wrote about the relationship:
    The Physics of Snow by Tracey Doherty

    The small house nestled in cold, clean whiteness that year of record snowfall, reverberating with memories that caught him there for a time. Life flashing before eyes in a mini transformative death.

    She became entangled in the heart of him and the house in a way like mitosis dividing, separating, all the strands spun in centrifuge. Parts of him let go of himself and he could continue on.

    Miraculously, those pieces fit inside her as gently as lovemaking had done. Knowing daily reality may not ever be theirs to enjoy, time-space registered the regeneration in a fashion that healed early death from her.

    Shared tears magnetically pulled years of stagnation and she would never know again a certain black hole mood.

    • Nice courage in facing, even embracing, the deep issues being triggered by a Plutonian/South Node time. You will emerge stronger and I suspect you already feel that.

  5. Well, as Scorpio-Capricorn, I’m pretty used to harsh conditions of life. What really breaks my heart is seeing people close to me, who are not used to it, and they are suffering…

    • Danka, I’m one of those Scorpio(sun)-Cap(moon) who is ‘pretty’ used to the harsh and long-suffering, but I gotta tell you, this bout is knocking the ‘pretty’ for a loop. A post Elsa wrote about Saturn going direct in Scorpio last July is helping me. I just finished reading that post, and then, she went and did THIS ONE. That is why I keep coming back!!
      Elsa :: high-fives :: and thanks, again.

  6. The losses I need to consolidate are all my own fault, due to unsound Uranian and Neptunian choices which have clashed with my Cap Rising and Scorpio Saturn.

    I’m wondering — does the quality of a major transit depend upon its condition in the natal chart?

    Ex. 1: Pluto is transiting my Cap ASC, will conjunct my N. Node next year — in my natal, my Leo Pluto in 7th makes 4 aspects, only trines and sextiles, part of a kite with Sun, Mars, and Neptune.

    Ex. 2: Uranus transit is closing in on my 3rd house Sun and squaring my Nodes and itself — in my natal, Cancer Uranus in 7th is conjunct S. Node and makes only 2 aspects, square to Aries Sun and square to Libra Neptune.

    All my issues center on where to settle for the rest of my life, which I simply cannot seem to choose. Am I simply missing the big picture of these transits?

  7. More than depressed, I see people are in a panic mode. Things are changing, they’ve only realized there’s no going back, and now they are there just standing and whining. And my Capricorn Moon wants to go and tell them to snap out of it.

    Yes, these have been hard times for me too, things aren’t moving the way I’ve expected, and I don’t expect that happening before Saturn comes over my IC again, in September.

  8. Yep. Struggling, and it’s going on longer than I could have anticipated. I just keep reminding myself it’s a marathon, not a sprint. Thanks for the heads up!

  9. Pluto leaves Capricorn in 2024…9 more years… I’ll be 41 years old. The 30s are supposed to be some of the best years of one’s life. Pass me a gun, please… I don’t even want to know what happens when it squares my Natal Venus and Pluto.

    • Yes, I am with you. Nine more years is too much for me. I have tried everything I can think of to shake this with no progress. Pass the gun indeed. Not much point in anything anymore really.

    • I just started my 30’s as well. It is some relief to be a 30-something during this time, but I just observe the struggles of myself and others and am in disbelief what this long, long transit has been like. It is good to finally see a thread that is open and honest about this Pluto in Capricorn transit.

  10. I kind of feel like the collective has caught up to my frame of mind. I’m equal parts Saturnian and Plutonian. Things have never been easy for me. I feel like I can relate to people better now so there’s the upside for me. People are feeling now, how I’ve felt my whole life. I guess that gives me a leg up in some way. I just wish I had more to give to others besides “I’ve been there”. I wish I had some nuggets of something to give to people that I’ve picked up along the way. But I think that’s how depression works. It’s hard or impossible to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe there isn’t one? What then? It’s a different way of living. Its just doing the journey to do it. Theres no freedom in this way of living. There’s no way out except through it. Now I can say I feel more understood than I’ve ever felt. That’s good for me in a way. It validates my existence in a way. Makes me feel like I’m part of a whole. Makes me feel normal! Hahaha. But rage and sadness begets rage and sadness. I don’t me and society are helping eachother by agreeing that things are shitty. It’s a downward spiral of epic proportions.
    And really the only positive thing that can come of it is people banding together. That is not happening. It’s our only hope. But I have no faith in most people (even myself) to do that. I don’t trust people so how can I expect others to trust me or anyone. I’d like to be the light shining in the dark. I’d really like to be that. My chart indicates I could be but I’m not. Maybe it’s not dark enough yet. Itll get darker yet. If what I’ve seen in my own soul is any indication.

  11. Maybe we as the human race need to embrace the darkness. There’s not only strife. There’s a void. Maybe it’s part of our evolution to learn how to survive existential crises. We’ve mastered physical survival. Now our souls are asking for more. I guess the acknowledgement of that void that we feel is a step in the right direction. It’s moving forward. What other direction can we go in?
    And I never answered the question about how I feel. I feel like I’ve felt for my whole life. Confused. Frustrated! Angry. Lonely. Sometimes hopeful.

  12. Yeah the gravitas is kicking my ass hard. Gravitas isn’t the correct word. I’m suffering. My friends are suffering. Buck the fuck up, buttercup. That is my inner goat talking. He’s a drill sergeant. I’ve got Mars at four and Jupiter at 28. Capricorn. Fifth house. Pluto is not allowed to smooch my sun at 29 Aquarius until I’m snuggled up with my soul mate in a candlelit bunker.

  13. I just got the picture you posted elsa. It’s an empty bowl of cherries. I cannot believe how apt that image is.

  14. As a natal Saturn conjunct Moon conjunct South Node I´m used to hard times. And depressed people.. But deep down I´m a happy spirit.
    I hope all beings will be happy and feel free.

  15. ===“I don’t know anyone who isn’t struggling at this time…”===

    So, so true. I am a double Scorpio with Moon in Cap, and am doing relatively well, but everyone close to me is suffering one way or another, some of them terribly.

  16. Well,it is true,we still for our self has unfinished buisness,
    about letting go,and senter,facing the emotional deposits that ones havent looked into, i have felt some Of thoose.

  17. So relevant. So the bowl of cherries is empty. Okay… So, how do we plan to get back there? Be satisfied with less. Keep one’s own motivations in mind, not to react unnecessarily to others. Go back everyday, with love kindness and giving in mind. That’s how fear melts into the background. People are suffering… And are acting more ruthlessly, and being less forgiving. So act opposite to that, but not to be pulled under. It’s Scene I, Act I in a play, curtsy or take a bow if it’s over, but do it with grace…..

    • I’ve also read websites about how Capricorn in this aspect is about getting by with less. It is really time to cut corners and decide what you don’t need. I want to say it is quality experiences over quantity, as an only recourse.

  18. I would like to add something I see as quite positive. I have studied astrology on and off for years. There may or may not be validity to it. I was raised by Catholic parents and rebelled against what seemed to be a demand for passive allegiance to the Church. I left that religion a long time ago because I ultimately felt that it simply wasn’t spiritual and rather an outdated and dogmatic social engineering agenda. At first, the Tarot and astrology was a breath of fresh air. Years pass, knowledge of the subject grows, and what….? You find yourself absolutely miserable and on your heals considering the endless array of transits that may or may not affect you. Undoubtably, autosuggestion is one of the most powerful aspects to human thought/action. If the zodiac encapsulates all aspects of the human condition, wouldn’t EVERY aspect be enacted over a course of time. The weather of a given day: how much do you care about the barometric pressure? The humidity? The change in temp after the sun sets? Subtly, you adjust for all situations, somewhat on the fly. But you don’t get hung up on it. And that’s the Sun or a winter storm, a tangible powerful thing that you can actually see impact your reality. But do you ask the weatherman, it’s going to rain tomorrow, will I get my boyfriend back? Seeking constant updates in astrology to prepare oneself seems affected and trivial. Why bother? I left Catholicism because I felt that (based on what my heart and mind told me) I would rather keep my own counsel on how to live my life. I am human, I don’t like anything or anyone telling me what to do. So, bye Jesus and bye ridiculous non-sensical wrathful absentee God. Then I find myself caught up in even more ridiculous notions of concerning myself with Saturn or Uranus or whatever. Again, some asshole entity that cares little about me and yet will affect me, discipline me, shock or awaken me. Dumb. On a given night I couldn’t even see the thing I am talking about. Kinda like Omega 3 fatty acids. Ever seen one? Heard it’s loaded with antioxidants. Never seen one of them either. So one day, after a hard Saturn transit, I said “what’s the difference between douchebag Saturn and don’t sin or else God. Both curmudgeonly assholes that are of no benefit. Teachers that explain nothing. Don’t have time or energy for them. I took back my own right to life and liberty and the pursuit of whatever the bleep I want. And I put those shitheads in the rear view mirror where they belong. People are scared and gullible. Astrology isn’t a bad thing,
    but keep it context. Go live your life, on your own terms. Accept what happens. Don’t
    blame Mercury Retrograde.

    • I think astrology can explain a lot of trends. It’s definitely not to say you should live under it and stop living your life to your best potential. I would think that God would want you to try your best in all situations, which is what spirituality is all about.

    • Pluto and Saturn are transiting my 3rd house. Both squaring my 20° Aries Mercury/Libra Mars opposition, (back and forth a bit due retrograde status.) I feel good. As in clear headed, and not full of delusion and unrealistic hope’s and wishes.

  19. Beautifully written. Poignant and ringing true.

    I’ve pushed back against the hollowness of efficiency at all (human) cost. As a slow-learner, I’m pretty much expendable on an economic level, in this age of non-stop layoffs… On a love-level, though, I am not expendable, nor are the people around me. Everyone deserves love and respect, even if they are still struggling to know what that means. This is how we survive: by recognizing each other, smiling at the lady at the cash register, or neighbors out on a walk, asking how people are doing, and having a relaxed moment we can be ourselves. To create a culture where we can show love and care, the things we need to be happy to feel loved and connected… Make it from scratch if you have to, from the nothing of post-Pluto. Hiding out feels great in the short term, and maybe it’s what we need to recover, but taking a risk to put in place a reciprocal-loving environment.

  20. I feel that the illusion turned into a delusion, and once we began to become wise after living in our folly, the delusion subsided and long-term planning took place.

    I see people seeping into communities, finding commonalities and differences that awaken them.
    Yet there are those holding onto their fundamental beliefs and actions, further separating themselves and becoming dangerous intrinsic and extrinsically.

    For a while, due to my Moon, pluto, Mercury and Neptune connections and transits, I felt disgusted about my situation and so did many I know. But what has happened is the joining of hands and minds and hearts to alleviate or issues which are VERY clear.

    • Pluto and Saturn are transiting my 3rd house. Both squaring my 20° Aries Mercury/Libra Mars opposition, (back and forth a bit due retrograde status.) I feel good. As in clear headed, and not full of delusion and unrealistic hope’s and wishes.

  21. As usual, this comment doesn’t have enough to do with the post that makes me sad. I don’t know how much the sad side of Capricorn is covered when they *don’t* achieve.. it’s like, hero or pussy. I spoke to this Capricorn trans guy yesterday and we have similar charts and we discussed “performance anxiety” which can happen even if you don’t have a dick (also especially in terms of women). He told me about how he feels like a disappointment to people pretty easily, and I recognized the Dostoevskian angst a Cap feels at borrowing money. It’s not just the idea of a “hierophant” or boring boss, a failed Capricorn is a patsy, a thing to behold. When I am feeling this blues, I listen to a song that goes “pour me another drink, and punch me in the face, you can call me Nancy.” (great song by a Taurus stellium guy and one of the sexiest in showbusiness.. pardon)

  22. The Pluto in Sagitarius party could not be sustained. I’d be dead now. It’s good to remember where that bowl of delicious cherries come from.

  23. I am glad you put this out there. There has been a low grade thing in the background. The news scares me at times.

  24. You are spot on! I see this dealing with clients finances and inheritances. Disappointments, restrictive conditions and time wasting red tape have wrecked havoc with many under various conditions. Death, divorce, broken contracts and bankruptcies. Scaled back expectations and writing off debt. Even I have to cut fees to stay afloat!

  25. I downsized from a large house as Tr Saturn was at the tail end of my Sag 11H. I settled into a smaller house as Tr Saturn ingressed the Cap portion of my 11H. Yes, realistic new dreams on the horizon.

  26. I guess I can make a list of my
    Worries or troubles or fears
    But,why? I will fix my list and the next list is in preparation ,so
    I just gotta smile, and in my mind
    I know I did the best to survive
    Yesterday and I will give myself
    Prompts ; first get a coffee then
    …all the time I am humming, K sa ra
    Sa ra… keeps me smiling

  27. Very, VERY heavy … in the sense that “stuff” keeps (metaphorically) piling up on my back and I feel like one more thing will break it. I’m also physically exhausted (6th house).

    I also have a Capricorn moon–specifically 23 Cap, so I think that’s making it feel heavier since Pluto happens to be sitting there at the moment.

    My mother has a Capricorn sun and moon (but only barely; she hasn’t experienced the exact pass with Pluto or Saturn yet), and at least Mars and Saturn in the sign (making it Saturn Return #3 for her). She’s been struggling, too.

  28. Collective reaping. It’s not punishment, it’s the universe saying, “Are you going to past the test this time?”

  29. I don’t know if it’s certain planets or the whole universe but life just sucks in general lately. For the past year everything I tried to do seems me backwards if anywhere at all in the meantime I just keep going further and farther down hill in debt. I don’t mind what you doing with less but when you started with not quite enough that doesn’t leave much. Just waiting for the sun to shine in more ways than one. I know that nothing lasts forever so this too shall pass

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