My 8th House Remarks The Blond Pony Tail Women And On Collective Psychology

world-at-war.jpgRegarding the blond ponytail lady, I hope this isn’t misinterpreted but!

But the soldier and I have been watching The World at War blank over the last weeks.

As most of you know he’s a war history buff and he considers this the best war documentary ever made. It was made in the seventies and could not be made now as many of the people interviewed (Holocaust survivors for example) are dead.

It was also made before “spin” and “political correctness” became so prevalent. Back when documentaries were made to inform and actually document history rather than something fashioned to entertain or advance a political agenda and while it is long (11 dvds) it is inordinately interesting.

So anyway we got to the part where Jews started to be singled out as targets and it stated very simply, Germans weren’t feeling very good and could be made to feel better by putting someone else down.

Now read that bumper sticker again:

“Some Days I Hate Being Me But Then I Smile When I Realize I’m Not You”

No wonder it’s so chilling.

Now don’t go making a tie to “blond hair” because it’s not my point at all. My thoughts are around history repeating itself (as it certainly tends to) and the risks and the slippery slope you stand on when you degrade another person (for any reason) so that you can feel better. And why is this relevant now?

Because people aren’t feeling so great are they?

So who gets targeted next? Old people? Fat people? Smokers? All of those..? Or is it a race?

What do you think?



My 8th House Remarks The Blond Pony Tail Women And On Collective Psychology — 18 Comments

  1. Poor people. Ethnic minorities. (Muslims, for example). People who are not “pro-American” whatever that means.. This thought, of singling people out, has occured to me alot over the past few weeks. **shivers**.

  2. Truth is, I’d love to sit and get a history lesson from the soldier. I love stories and he seems like he has a bunch to tell.

  3. Great post, Elsa, very thoughtful and thought-provoking. I’m glad you’ve taken the time to point out that bumper sticker, and the toxicity that comes with publicly and boldly stating nasty personal views like that – makes you wonder where we’re headed as a species, doesn’t it?

    I agree with you Maureen, it will be those who are least able to defend themselves, the poor and people of color, but I would add women and children to that list. In fact, in many ways, I think this has already begun, or been happening, here for a long long time. I am heartened, however, by all the people in our country who would not stand for that, even tho some days it looks like everybody’s asleep to injustice. I don’t think it’s going to stay that way though.

  4. Peppermint, I work with children who live in poverty, bright kids, ages 10, 11 and up, who are keenly aware of their “status.” Their perception is that they are looked down upon because they live in poverty, or their schools are in the inner city, or their father is in jail, or they speak a different language, etc. etc. One 9 year old surprised me because he had even heard some of these putdowns coming from a local radio talk show host. So they’re aware big time. Since I am working with them as a writing coach, all I can tell them is they’re beautiful! Use their voice, write—their stories are worth telling! I just think the best way to go about my business now is to use my own gifts (and my Mercury in the 9th is one of em) to lift others up. What else to do?

  5. “Back when documentaries were made to inform and actually document history rather than something fashioned to entertain or advance a political agenda […]”
    I’m going to have to respectfully disagree… My impression is that which facts are picked and included will tend to be a product of the prevalent trends in any society at any time. I mean, how can it be avoided? “Context” happens to be my one of my favorite concepts;) I’m a social scientist through and through…;)

  6. LMH, dissenting opinions are welcome and very much appreciated around here and I get your point. I guess it would be more accurate to say I prefer the trends of yesteryear which probably has to do with age.

    I like Janis Joplin better than Disney produced music stars too.

    I liked the United States NOT being 23 / 25th ranked in math and science world wide, what can I say?

    So that’s that but I also think there is validity to what I am saying. Remember my daughter and I were interviewed by Frontline to be included in a documentary. They are top of the field (I think) but still making ENTERTAINMENT that SELLS. And what sells this day is being PROVOCATIVE.

    If the documentary-maker stumbles on the truth in the making of the piece they will still create the the version that sells. I was told this point blank (only because the guy could tell I knew anyway). In other words they were presenting an angle and I see this all over the place.

    The writes the article they can sell to the New York Times and to hell with accuracy. For that matter I see it in astrology (and have seen it exposed in astrology).

    If you watch the film I referenced you will see that someone went to painstaking lengths to record events in a factual way. This is a far cry from Oliver Stone type versions of things.

    Take Johnny Cash. There are documentaries (old ones) out there that have footage of him FOR REAL. Very different (I think much better) product than the Johnny Cash movie which is simply dumbed down.

    “This is the way we are going to remember Johnny Cash” as opposed to letting Cash speak for himself and let the masses parse the raw data. But that takes brains and we barely have any anymore just look at the test scores!

  7. Maureen: Muslims are not a ‘minority’, they are one of the largest religious groups, if not the largest (fastest growing, anyway). Europeans and even Christians are the minority, though the latter has a large boost due to Latin America & parts of Africa.

  8. This topic has drifted through my mind lately. I believe it is due to the way the current administration has been run. I feel that people are targeted or made to feel “anti” if they voice any criticism. In a way it feels like we all have to fall in line with the goose step or feel the rath. If the right personality comes along with the way the world is ya never know!

  9. Backtrack, I stand corrected. What I meant was, ethnic minorities, and “non-Christian” religious groups. Either way, the rhetoric of hate seems to be flowing all over the place. It scares me, especially when it’s parced out (either explicitly or by implication) by those in power.

  10. Hats Off to Maureen for teaching kids something special about themselves that they can lean on when the chips are down, and that highlights gifts they have that no one can ever take away!

    And Hats Off to Elsa for noticing this stuff and bringing it out to the light for examination and discussion – this very kind of thought-provoking dialogue is what sometimes helps people to choose if they’re part of the problem or part of the solution. And LMH, as a Native American woman, I can relate to your comment about ‘context,’ which many times is in the eye of the beholder and/or whoever writes the history books/documentaries, which, not to put words in her mouth, is where I think Elsa was headed with that. It’s all about the context that sells, the view that’s popular or trendy or acceptable, even at the expense of the truth . . .

    And Hats Off to you too Miss: I hear you – remember what happened to Valerie Plame when her husband stood up to the Bush administration’s insistence about WMD? Yikes! Put that lady’s life on the line as paybacks to her husband.

    But here’s to keepin’ on keepin’ on. Thanks for the great dialogue everyone!

  11. Fascinating. I remember The World At War series from when it first came on TV here in the UK. My brother (Aries!) watched it avidly, week after week for his history exam prep. I watched it once and never again. It chilled me to the bone.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, Elsa, but the power of it, I seem to remember, came from long stretches of dispassionate newsreel footage where there was little or no commentary, the pictures of the concentration camps etc, were allowed to tell the story.
    (I’m moved to tears just by the memory of it now.)

    Those pictures impressed more on me about the horror of war and the evils to which man can stoop than anything else I can think of.

    I agree with Elsa, that there is no way a series like that would be produced nowadays. The media has degenerated to the extent that if history and everything else is not presented in tiny, easily digestible sound and vision bites, people turn over. And it has to be glossy. War is presented as if it is some kind of computer game.

    The World at War was produced in the days when programme makers wanted to inform and educate and felt a sense of responsibility about their work. It may not have been perfect, but there was a general level of respect for an audience’s intelligence that I don’t see much of anymore.

  12. One of the reasons I had to dump my ex is that his humor revolves around ridiculing others.

    This bumper sticker reminds me of something he might say. I can hear his mirthless laugh just after delivery as well.

    I think he would have signed up to be a Nazi. I do.

  13. Bananas, I had a friend I dumped once because his humor was ridiculing others also.

    He was a Scorpio and a good example of how horrible a person can be.

    I’ve rarely ridicule others, the only time I did was in primary school. I was a stupid kid, I know!

  14. opal, I did not think about why but you’re right, they did let the images speak for themselves. The whole thing clutches your heart and holds it. Nothing made up and/or embellished (as argued last week in the comments) comes close in comparison because you are watching someone’s ego which is really not that interesting.

    I would like to see it again, myself. In fact it is on my Amazon wish list and has been for a year.

  15. I hear you, Bananas and Elsa, among others, about the power of those images and the value of film shot on the spot.

    But that doesn’t mean they don’t miss things. For instance, Nazis persecuted homosexuals and you won’t find much evidence of that in those documentaries. Homosexuality was taboo when the film was taken (1939-45) and when it was edited into a series (1969).

    So, there is inherent value there, but there is also inherent limitation. There was film left on the editing-room floor and shots that just weren’t taken. Objectivity was a goal, but its definition still existed in a certain place and time.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love all kinds of historical documentaries and tend not to be as moved by modern, over-packaged, hyper-viewpointed ones. I know what you mean. Still, I am aware that the prisoners who were wearing a pink (homosexual) or purple (jehovah’s witness) or green (political, usually communist) triangle, if the camera bothered to note them at all, probably didn’t make the WaW final print.

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