Lunatics Who Star In Documentaries And Discuss Albert Fish

Albert FishMy husband I was were trying to watch a documentary on Albert Fish, the notorious serial killer or torturer of children. I say “tried” because he managed to sit through it where I had to walk away.

I had to walk away because they had this lunatic on there offering commentary. They had two lunatics on, actually but I am only going to mention one of them because people don’t like to read a long post.

Among many other things, Albert Fish, killed and consumed this little girl, Grace Budd. Later he wrote her mother a letter, detailing his crime:


“Dear Mrs. Budd. In 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deck hand on the Steamer Tacoma, Capt. John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned the boat was gone. At that time there was famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1–3 per pound. So great was the suffering among the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl’s behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price. John staid there so long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to N.Y. he stole two boys, one 7 and one 11. Took them to his home stripped them naked tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them – tortured them – to make their meat good and tender. First he killed the 11 year old boy, because he had the fattest ass and of course the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked and eaten except the head—bones and guts. He was roasted in the oven (all of his ass), boiled, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next, went the same way. At that time, I was living at 409 E 100 St. near—right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was I made up my mind to taste it. On Sunday June the 3, 1928 I called on you at 406 W 15 St. Brought you pot cheese—strawberries. We had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her. On the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped all my clothes off. I knew if I did not I would get her blood on them. When all was ready I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in a closet until she was in the room. When she saw me all naked she began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mamma. First I stripped her naked. How she did kick – bite and scratch. I choked her to death, then cut her in small pieces so I could take my meat to my rooms. Cook and eat it. How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven. It took me 9 days to eat her entire body. I did not fuck her tho I could of had I wished. She died a virgin.”

Fish intended to hire and kill, Grace’s 18 year old brother who had placed an ad in the paper looking for work.  When he got to the home he saw that the 18 year old was quite strapping, and might be able to defend himself so he set his sites on, Grace.

Now this is one horrible crime, I think all would agree but then they have the lunatic come on, dressed up in vintage murder mystery garb surrounded by fake severed heads to pontificate about this crime, after informing the viewer how advanced he is…how he will look into the shadow when others won’t and blah, blah.

So then I sit there and listen to him describe how Fish obviously LOVED, Grace. “How else could he have done this?” asks the lunatic.

::eyes wide::

I’d have liked to punch someone over this.  Projecting all this crap onto an obvious psychopath who cuts off the penises of little boys…and then someone films this stuff and produces this film. It’s despicable in every way.

Pluto is squaring my Mercury over these next months. Expect to read stuff like this here, I can’t help it.

Have you ever seen a show like this or felt these kinds of feelings?




Lunatics Who Star In Documentaries And Discuss Albert Fish — 32 Comments

  1. I am absolutely speechless.

    But, I have to ask, this part..” boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in any shop and ask for steak—chops—or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl would be brought out and just what you wanted cut from it. A boy or girl’s behind which is the sweetest part of the body and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price”–is that true?

  2. Is it true that Fish wrote this and sent it to the mother? Yes.

    Is it true some jackass was filmed looking Neptune-d out, dreamily glorifying the guy, dressed up like it’s Halloween? Yes.

  3. These are the people that need to be put down.
    I couldn’t even watch the show either. I understand how violence can escalate,especially with drugs and alcohol but never understand premeditation to a violent crime as anything other than mental illness . This one is really creepy.
    Creepy that the Chinese would eat their own…

  4. Here we have a letter – threatening, disgusting, maybe real – written by a serial killer that ends up being taken as a credible source. That explains why anyone would make a documentary about them. Why not spend the resources on something better? All that guy needs a bullet, not a show that breeds more panic and fear and projection of evil on any target around.

    For all the budding historians, look it up. 1894 was a famous plague outbreak year – bodies in the streets, delirious people running around, riots, people desperately trying to get out, ships being blocked from other ports in the region, colonial officers going nuts trying to deal with mass disease, hunger, poverty, brewing political unrest, and spreading different medical practices.

    And this was at the height of hostility on both sides – anti-foreign sentiment in China, as well as colonial forces fighting hard to save the foothold and making sure the money flowed back home. Do you know that the politics included accusing western doctors of dissecting bodies and dismembering plague victims? And there was evidence of cannibalism in some places where colonial powers landed used to further politics. True or not? Even if yes, definitely not as normal as Fish made it sound. You bet it coincided with his sick ideas. Bodies everywhere to him, like he would care.

    How do we get a story – real or imagined – about two drunk murderers who torture and prey on children, first in a town willing to cater to the weird tastes and fetishes of all kinds of people, then in his home country, leading to comments about the Chinese eating their own? If they did, do you think they would sell their kids to Fish and his buddy? Wouldn’t they eat them themselves if they are so hungry? Why share with the pasty crazy people if it’s so yummy? *snort* Maybe some group of other horrible people like him, and probably more people willing to sell to a rich white dude, but do we believe Fish?

    Did they sell children in China? Yes. Did they specifically sell children to white guys who paid more for god knows what? Yes. Were children under 14 safe? No, because they tend to work hard and make good slaves and victims for all kinds of things. Including being targeted by two drunk and psycho cannibal serial killers loving the lawlessness, cheap, and easy means to get what they want in a place hit by plague and a political crossroad and valuable open port with a huge black market – IF it’s even true.

    Is this the same way people read Nabokov and blame the girl or a fictitious skewed view that a certain culture promotes the evil?

    Think, people. You decide.

  5. “Pluto is squaring my Mercury over these next months. Expect to read stuff like this here, I can’t help it.”

    I have it natal, and its about to oppose. (Sun included as my Sun/Merc are conjunct by 4º)

  6. I didn’t take him as a credible source. That is why I asked and I’ve been digging for information ever since. To be honest, until this morning, I had no idea that this type of world..real or illusory..ever existed. I had no knowledge of the history of 1894, plague, or any of it. But, I can tell you, I am most certainly studying it now.

    As for Elsa’s point on the subject which I’m sure I’ve completely butchered by now, I would have walked away from such a dog and pony show depiction of something like this too.

    I am sorry if I’ve said something wrong because I definitely didn’t mean to. Nor did I mean to offend. What you got and will continue to get is my gut true reaction.

  7. just to clarify since we seem to have a few cross-posts….my comment about gruesomeness referred to the letter. I thought his letter was gruesome. I wasn’t assuming that he was telling the truth or that it was factually accurate. I was reacting to the fact that he was a gruesome individual – what horrid individual would send that crap to a woman whose child he had eaten?

    What a horrid evil person!

  8. Just stumbled across “rabbit starvation” on wikipedia last night. Was a gruesome thought what history has done, even snippets of truth that show through.

  9. True crime is disturbing not because it is fake, but because it is true.

    At least he shoved a rose stem up his urethra. Equal opportunity weirdo.

  10. Hansel and Gretel is primarily about famine. The witch entices the children with candy and other sweets and luxuries, so that they’ll fatten up and she’ll eat them…

    No one says cries over that tale, though. Even though it does reflect history. Maybe even today.

    Truth is, famine was such a big deal years ago, that children went abandoned by their families because there was simply an extremely limited supply of food. Combine that with long, harsh winters, and the reality that the rich were fed well, and… there you go.

    Nothing takes away from the fact that abadoning your kids, eating them, or selling them is abominable. I hate it all. But back then, one’s options were limited… There really was nothing to fall back on. No financial programs, no free food. Hell, sometimes no crops.

  11. What I found most disturbing was the letter Fish wrote to the child’s mother detailing his deeds and particularly how he came to have such a desire.
    Again, here is more attention seeking. It wasn’t enough for him to enjoy ‘tender vittles’, he felt the need to inflict severe pain on the mother.

    I see people trying to shine light on this shadow, but I don’t think its actually possible.

  12. I’ve never seen anything that blatant on TV, no. But it sounds absolutely horrifying, gratuitous and awful and it’s also, if it’s any consolation, terrible television. It’s like the producers decided that viewers really would not be able to understand how bad this all was and so they needed help from Svenghouli and a bunch of shrunken heads.

    I mean honest to God…we *get the point.*

  13. I’ve never heard of this particular crime, but I confess to being interested in true crime stories, from books to the many TV shows (like “48 Hours” on ID Network). It’s rare they have footage of a perpretator admitting their crimes; they usually deny, deny, deny to the end.

    I’m not sure about WHY I’m fascinated with these stories – my best guess is Scorpio Moon, Pluto square Mars, and some harrowing situations I’ve survived in my own life.

    From this story the worst part is the letter to the mother – I wonder did the prison allow it to be sent, or was it sent before he was arrested, etc. He shouldn’t have been allowed to have contact with the victim’s family. Heinous.

  14. I agree with Josephine that the letter makes a tragic situation utterly sick. How would any mother deal with the images that conjures up…

    As for the TV documentary, I can’t stand the modern habit of dressing up people in clothes supposedly of the subject’s period and clowning around; for one thing they are fooling nobody – voices, accents, deportment, everything has changed. It’s treating the viewers as children – most TV programmes seem aimed at children these days, even ones as grossly ‘adult’ as this.

    The truth is they are mostly made by children – people of a child’s level of maturity and understanding.

    I used to belong to online forum about true crime, which fascinates me – it covers worldwide murders which are discussed in minute detail. Some of the real fanatics on there are very odd people indeed – and they’re considered ‘experts’ in their field, ie they have encyclopaedic knowledge of certain murders. Some of them seem as warped as the criminals they study!

    These types might well make such documentaries with an independent producer, and sell the result to the networks. I think you have to be a bit numb in some part of your brain to want to make that kind of documentary tbh

  15. “cynically but probably correctly figuring that the police would bother less about finding the murderer of black kids than white..”

    Right, BP. Totally calculating and then this yahoo comes along and talks about how much he LOVED, Grace…and if you can’t see it, I guess you’re unable to look into the shadow and deal with the truth like he can.

  16. I am sooo right there w/ you my dear…I just CANNOT watch that type of thing either…I just CANNOT comprehend what some people can do to each other!!! Seriously…WTF…I just dont GET IT!!!
    Sorry …guess i kinda ranted a little…lol

  17. Why would anyone want to warch such a dark show on TV and expose themselves to the lowest possible vibration of Pluto energy? Why would anyone choose to use your talent, time, and other resources to pass on those dark energies? All things exist under the Sun. Especially under the Earth. Choose to be a channel for higher expression.

  18. So the commentary guy is all enthralled by this? Let’s bring him to a hospital to see blown-up children in a war zone and see how well he can stomach it. Maybe they can offer him a limb to taste since he is so able to face the dark side of human nature.

    Being understanding of deviant behavior is a big red flag. I hope someone has this guy on their radar.

  19. This is the sort of thing that if you believe in God, really believe what the Bible says; you can stomach it.
    I just don’t understand why all these Christians don’t talk about this. The belief is that God will eventually “wipe every tear from every eye” and “these former things will not come up again” in the great future after this really bad time (i.e. tribulation.)

    The Witnesses belief system goes like this;
    Because I believe in Jehovah God, I therefore also believe Satan exists.
    Part of our job here is to be witnesses to the awful things caused by Satan’s reign on earth so it won’t ever have to happen again.
    The matter of God’s sovereignity will have been settled once and for all, like a court case.

    This is why it’s important, as on 911, if you can’t do anything else and have no way to stop it, understand you are there as a witness to it.

    That is why one lady interviewed did not turn away from the sight of the falling people, and I understood her decision.

    Let’s all be witnesses to how bad, how really bad it got here on earth, for once and all.

  20. I agree that we are morally bound to combat evil. The trick is to bring it to light and defeat it, instead of bringing it to light where it can grow. There are a lot of lurid shows on TV. I don’t think it is a good use of time to watch them. And I don’t think it is a good use of the Internet to publish lurid stuff. Broadcasting info on how to contribute to a campaign to stop brutality and child abuse is a good use of the media and deserves our attention. I don’t agree with everything Oprah does, but I think she got that part right. When she covered ugly stuff she made sure to take it to the “what you can do about it” stage.

  21. some images i just can’t vomit back out of my head.

    one of the things i realized in the psych program is that there are people out there who refuse to believe in the existence of fundamental evil. who believe that, deep down, evil is simply just the cry of a wounded animal desperate for love. (which it can be.) that it couldn’t, sometimes, exist for it’s own sake.

    they’d rather embrace the dark (and whitewash it?) than face it.

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