I wanted to talk about the shadow-side of talent, so I called my friend, Ben. He’s a Scorpio artist who has worked in the arts for decades.
We got talking about charisma. Ben mentioned instinctual actors like, Marlon Brando, Warren Beatty and James Dean. He mentioned Maria Callas as examples of people who have that IT quality. Never mind their flaws or lack or classical technique. Audiences love them.
“Can you imagine, Marlon Brando in a supporting role in a movie?” he asked. “He couldn’t do it. He’s too charismatic; he’s got to play the lead.”
Ben has charisma himself. He said that as embarrassing as it is to say so, whenever he watched films of performances, his eye was always drawn to himself. This is the case regardless if he were playing in a trio, a quartet or as part of symphony orchestra.
I am sure this is the case because he once told me that most all the donations that came in to support the various orchestras he’s played with, are donated to his chair. Consequently, when these organizations have needed money, they have used him (Scorpio energy) to raise it. Specifically, they take his picture because he plays his cello barefoot in all circumstance. You can imagine how people get a kick out of this and out comes the wallet. Ben couldn’t get away with that if he did not have so much charisma.
Chiron rules charisma. Ben has Chiron conjunct his ascendant in Aquarius, so you can see how his quirk plays well. Marlon Brando has Chiron conjunct his Sun, Moon and Mercury in Aries and it’s easy to see how his charisma is related in his raw male energy (Aries).
Are you charismatic? Where is Chiron in your chart?
I’m so curious as to why Chiron would be associated with Charisma? I don’t doubt it is so. Just trying to figure out how the Wounded Healer relates to this concept.
Odd almost every single person here talks about their own Chiron position and aspects.
I find charisma is Pluto/Venus 8th house, which can also make you wealthy which in this society makes you HOT!
Because charisma is about sexual projection that others recognize.
I don’t buy Chiron is the wound, Pluto is. Chiron is the cure along with it’s aspects. It shows where the wound came from and how it can be healed I find it similar to the North Node.
The dictionary’s definition of Charisma is: (1) compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others; or (2) a divinely conferred power or talent. There’s nothing more attractive than to own one’s greatest wound and still have the power/talent to heal or inspire greatness in others.
Chiron-Sun and Chiron-Sun/Moon Midpoint and I’ve been told before that I am charismatic. I just thought it was Scorpio Rising.
I’m not charismatic – but I’m in awe of people who are!
Chiron in Scorpio, 1st House, unaspected.
the thing i notice about these charismatic people is despite all the flaws they have and sometimes it’s out there lol they dont care. they keep on going LOL Like how Warren Beaatty is such a womanizer and even Carly Simon made songs for him. Did he care? Nope. he just kept on trucking.
I love that Ben plays barefoot in the orchestra! I’d get a real kick at of that too!
I just stumbled across this post. Thank you Elsa. As ever, your posts are always thought provoking.
My youngest son has charisma by the bucket load. His Chiron is squ to both nodes, but sextile Asc (Scorpio) & trine Desc. From primary school to secondary school, girls & boys flocked to him, then I’d have to listen to their mothers fawning over him too. It always made me chuckle. He was a leader without having to try & he hated it that others followed or copied him. Our conversations were always about him being true to himself & forgetting what others were doing.
For me I have Chiron in H4 tightly opp Mars/Pluto in H10 plus a tight trine to Neptune in H12. I am continually surprised by comments made by others about me. I always, without fail, end up thinking quietly, “do you know what you are saying”? It amuses me no end. Why copy what I do or follow my processes at work/home? Then, I remember those conversations with my youngest!
Thank you once again. I have learnt another little piece of a puzzle.
I have Chiron conjoin venus aqua in first house.
Been told I have it.
It like your not aware of it.
Wonder brad Pitt.
I know a teacher women star stuck over. This may be a clue.
Chiron in the 12th in Aquarius just 4 degrees short of my Pisces Asc. I’m known to be called quirky more than charismatic but acting was a consideration in high school and I appeared in all the plays and often in the school orchestra too.
I have Leo AC as well as sun in the 5th house (cap) squaring Chiron in the 3rd. I am charismatic. People have told me this but I am also aware of it on my own. This trait alone might be the only reason I’m not a total stick in the mud. Hehe
You do seem to be a happy lizard. 🙂
So, it’s called Charisma, eh?
Chiron conjunct chart ruler Mercury and part of a T square/grand trine with Moon, Mars and Jupiter. Moon is very close to MC.
Is that why I drive everybody crazy and have always managed to squeak out of those most dire circumstances?
As a child I recall being introduced to my Mom’s friends and theywould often say, “Oh, my. He’s going to be a heartbreaker”. My mom would become perturbed at that. She would never allow me to have airs about myself and never has the thought of my being attractive been valid. T square/grand trine, doncha know…
Even as an adult I would be amazed that a certain woman would actually like me…
This is so interesting!! I have Chiron conj my Taurus ASC with Venus/Mars, all at 1-5 degrees. Uranus opposes at 8 degrees and they are also my Sun/Moon midpoint. Maybe all of that modifies it somewhat but as a child I was always told I had charisma, I felt it too and I think my Gem Sun boosted it a little.
As an adult I feel like I repel people and most people get the wrong first impression of me. I can’t stand having attention, I get super embarrassed and have difficulties speaking when I have to talk in front of people.
My mom has told me that she thinks around middle school other girls started becoming jealous of my light and would bully me to make themselves feel better. I took all of the insults to heart and slowly became insecure, believing everything they said.
Can charisma be dimmed or shut down?
You definitely have charisma, Sam. I think we’re all a little tripped up at the moment.
Thank you Elsa!! My progressed Sun moved into Leo this year so I am beginning to feel different, in terms of my self-esteem. I’m slowly starting to employ that “light” again and I can feel it breaking through a bit.
My Chiron return is in about 5 years as well I believe so maybe by then I will have broken the “spell”!!!!