Caring: Chiron In Pisces Opposite Pluto In Virgo

Chiron paintingMy husband reminds me how little people care.  These are people in ‘caring” professions!  The first time he explained this to me it was jarring but I’ve come to learn how right he is.

“They’re just doing their job,” he said. “They don’t care one whit what happens…”

Initially he sounded jaded. But as I got deeper involved, the truth of what he said was undeniable. Comprehending this has opened doors.

It is one thing so say you care. It’s another to actually have the emotion. I’m not judging this.  There are people working in various fields who see so much crap, they’ve no choice but to shut down their feelings, in order to function. I strive to keep this mind when dealing with various systems because I actually do care and I always have.

I was a bartender from the time I was 15-23 years old. I cared about my customers so much so I became unable to do the job once I got old enough and sophisticated enough to see how destructive drinking was in their lives. When you want to tell your customers to go home, as soon as they walk in the door, it’s time to quit.

I care about my clients now and the people who read this blog.  I care as a way of life and this is something I project.

I figure if I care, the other person must care. The fact is, often they don’t care at all. People care about things but they do not necessarily care about the things you care about or the things they say they care about.  The next question is what do you do with the information?

I have Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto .  I think I own the Pluto and project my compassion on to humanity.  I have survived via this mechanism. I have also been destroyed.

When you say you care about something, do you or is it just words or a function of being social?

 

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Caring: Chiron In Pisces Opposite Pluto In Virgo — 76 Comments

  1. So that is why I get so involved with the people I work with as customers? I also have Chiron opposing Pluto, and it’s ridiculous. My boss gets pissed off at me about it, but it’s just the way it is.

    You don’t talk much about Chiron, Elsa. I wonder sometimes if having Chiron conj Saturn (in Pisces 7th) has anything to do with some of the stuff I crash against in this life. God knows I’ve got the wounds, but I don’t know how the hell to heal them.

  2. I care, but probably not as much as I should. I’m not a bleeding heart type who prays for people. Also, I have been slowly drained of emotion over the last 12 years and there’s not a lot to give any more. I don’t know how nurses and the like do it.

    • I’m a nurse and I only work per diem–that’s how I do it!! And, in lower stress environments. Hospital nursing is the front line of burn out.

  3. Based on my personal experiences, I’d have to disagree with the soldier. I think there are many people in this world who put themselves out there every day, and who care deeply about people even when it’s not recognized or appreciated. I also think there’s a wide range of emotion between “don’t give a shit” and “100% empathetic” and people in “caring” professions are like anyone else — they’ll range widely in between those two poles.

    It’s a huge brush to paint people with, and I think in some ways you find what you look for, so if you’re expecting to people to just not care what happens…well, it’s very likely that’s what you’ll see. And it won’t matter that for every example of “not caring,” you might overlook a half dozen examples of care and compassion…if you’re not looking for it, you won’t see it.

  4. This post reminds me of something I wrote to someone the other day. I go through my life making attachments (cancer sun). It’s not the same for everyone or even for most. They go thru their life with other priorities–

    And I have found in the social services or other helping professions that people are more interested in control– than much else. Of course this was just my own experience and observation.

    I prob care about my clients too much. It’s helpful for them maybe only up to a point– there are those who appreciate true caring and those who don’t even notice. It’s a low-vibrational world out there. But there are lights that light the way– like you Elsa, like others who comment here, you can tell.

    I am a saturn trine moon person and transiting saturn is conjuncting my moon….

    Caring is good but it’s the doing that really counts.

  5. Carielle – you make a good point but in his defense, this is a very, very, very SUPER condensed version of a very, very, very BIG thing.

    In the specific scenario where this advice was offered, he was absolutely right. If the brush is broad, it is mine. He is quoted as saying:

    ““They’re just doing their job, P. They don’t care one whit what happens…”

    He is talking about a certain group of people doing a certain thing at a certain time… people I would have assumed “caring”.

    This is sort of like someone saying, “I care about you…” in the process of trying to sell you something.

    If someone tells me they care, i take them at their word, seee?

  6. Here’s an example:

    Someone wants me to give them $6700 so I can have a radio show because they care about me and want me to do well.

    The $6700 in their pocket is no motivation, LOL.

  7. Omg a radio show, with a high salary- what a great idea! Is the world ready? We have enough of Doc Joy Brown 😉

  8. Humm. Astrology has never translated on the radio because it’s too esoteric and when someone is rattling off horoscopes you only want to listen to yours anyway. It has a lot of potential though and def. a niche market. Maybe something on Hay House could be a good start. You would need a demographic like ours….beyond the newbie stage.
    A call in show would be wicked but you would need a way of doing charts almost instantly.

  9. I wouldn’t do an astrology show. I would just be myself. People have told me to get on the radio since I was 19 and if it is meant to be, I am sure it will happen without me giving a salesman $6,700 because I am vain when I am not even vain.

    I feel really bad this topic got hijacked. I thought it was important but I guess it doesn’t translate?

    Fuck me with that Saturn in Virgo. It’s so hard to communicate I can’t believe it.

    I would also like to leave the house without triggering people, I wonder if that could be arranged?

    ::smiles::

    It appears I am in a mood.

  10. i try not to say anything i don’t mean. sometimes social niceties seem to demand it and i end up in something of a bind.

  11. so chiron in pisces = compassion/caring? I think Uranus is right on my Chiron/Uranus opp right now haha.

    compassion is my religion , if you look at it very basically. it’s easy for me but the hard part is the wisdom part – knowing the difference between compassion and what is called “idiot compassion.”

    • I am so with you! I have chiron on my desc. opp. Urn. Natally and this current uranus/pluto longgggg transit has me reevaluating everything. Mid life? Maybe but I think it’s more. I’ve always been compassionate to a fault. I thought everyone deserved the consideration I feel I deserve. Wrong! My uncontrolled caring has often been to the detriment of myself. I still care but now am learning to guard against being taken for granted and/or displaying “idiot compassion”. I care for you but must also care for me. ☆

  12. saturn in virgo is also kicking my communcation in the ass too elsa. I will be glad to see saturn move into a new sign!

    • I think it’s the Mercury retro that’s triggering all the saturn/virgo stuff too. I have a Virgo stellium and usually I never blame mercury retro for stuff but O.M.G. *enough already*!!!! I have made more mistakes in the last week than I have for over 6 months at work. Not acceptable.

  13. I have jupiter conjunct chiron opp pluto in virgo. I think I really do care and also have the ability to help people however a lot of folks don’t listen to myh oh so wonderful advise. Like my brother who has a failing liver and I know I could get him better and have given him advise but he isn’t really hearing me. At that point as an example, I have to let it go. I can also seem aloof and uncaring but that isn’t the case. I tend to get mixed up with the wrong sorts of people too. Then I kick myself for being sympathetic to their cause. But the people who let me help them are well taken care of in the end and often appreciate it very much. The problem is that I have the ability to take care of things and multi task and make things happen with precise vision at times and its a little scary.

  14. when my uncle was younger he dabbled in some drugs and unfortunately contracted hepatitis. fast forward about 40 years later he needed to have a liver transplant. when my mom met with his doctor his doctor said something like ‘well he brought this upon himself’…among about 7 other horrifying things that i don’t even remember now. my mother was appalled (my uncle had been clean for about 40 years). anyway, some doctors definitely have a god complex, which is even worse than ‘just doing your job’.

  15. my ‘caring’ for people gets out of control. think its 6th house venus in leo, trine jupiter and in some ways like to think of myself as the very definition of generosity and want to be admired for how ‘caring’ or ‘giving’ i am. what happens in reality is that i’m taken advantage of (with my consent) time and time again, others feel like i’m overbearing and insisting that they accept my help or my offers fall flat because people don’t understand that i just like to be be caring.

  16. Yeah, I do. I also found the work I used to do impacting my ability to be compassionate in general. I was becoming more jaded and cynical and disillioned and losing my faith in humanity. That’s why I don’t work in the social services anymore.

  17. I have a feeling that a lot of people here may not have had negative experiences as a patient in the medical, psychiatric, or psychological professions. There are a lot of people who have very condescending and arrogant attitudes towards patients, and don’t know even how to listen and hear other people out properly.

  18. Because I can’t edit: I blame much of this on training, and how passing a few tests are more important than the overall patterns of student behaviors.

  19. I have Chiron in Aries opposite about half my stellium in Libra, so yes and no. I care about most of the people I try to help at the library, and if I fail to find what they need it can ruin my whole day. But I can be very unsympathetic towards people who seem to be trying to take advantage of my good nature, though they have to be really obvious about it before it occurs to me they’re taking advantage.

    On a side note, my parents both had some rotten experiences with medical professionals. They hated it when a doctor or nurse would talk to me over their heads; Mom was in a wheelchair and Dad was kind of deaf, but there was nothing wrong with either of their minds.

  20. Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto here also. (w/ libra rising) it depends! It’s an integrity issue. Pisces Chiron really cares, might not say anything unless words are actually part of the caring. Just knows or intuits where the solution is, the pluto part can be super efficient and/or opinionated about it or controlling: it took me a while to learn to offer a choice, or wait till I am asked for advice or help or whatever. Compassion is also respecting people’s choice either way.

    It’s tough one for a kid. can care too much or get sucked in. Idealistic. Be taken for a dark ride. Caring but being powerless about it. But figuring out beliefs are important & faith is powerful.

  21. Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto here too. Plus Neptune trining Chiron. I feel other peoples pain. Emotional, physical and psychological pain – the whole lot. Very difficult to deal with when I was younger. I care deeply for vulnerable people and animals. I am a psychic empath and have been a soft touch for others taking advantage. Yet have learnt to protect myself and gain stronger boundaries these days. I have never worked in the social services but have in the arts and education sectors.
    Enabling people through teaching them their Human rights: respect, dignity, privacy, confidentiality and so on puts a positive, empowering angle on caring.

  22. thanks guys .. Just checked in during a tea break while thinking about Chiron in Pisces opposite Venus Pluto and Uranus and there y’all are chatting about that very thing minus the Venus ..which is so insightful, all the while Elsa is asking if folk really do care in certain professions guess some do and they’re the ones who’ll have most struggles with the system and the higher stress levels.

  23. Well, lots of people go IN to the helping professions with golden intentions and may be compassionate as all Hell. But after a few years working in the field, that can change. You take it home with you, you start to lose your mind after a while. You see people game the system and treat those trying to help with disdain and disgust. After a while, walls and detachment become a survival mechanism. Sompe do it for a really long time and manage to hold on to their compassion, but burnout and challenges abound when someone works in a daily onslaught of other people’s (serious) issues.

  24. hey goddess, I have an old friend who is a nurse. she’s been a burn nurse in a busy crisis hospital. she has little real compassion but a very “nice” manner. as in, she seems compassionate, thinks she’s compassionate, but without having the bother of actually internalizing anyone else’s pain. she’s the PERFECT nurse. and thank maude for people like that.

  25. You know, satori, that’s a great point. It really is an advanced skill to be able to do that without internalizing other people’s pain. I often felt like an emotional container, particularly with the intense encounters. I could do it better than a lot of people and remain intact, but it was draining as Hell.

  26. Like Alison, I have Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto in Virgo and trining Neptune in Scorpio. Not just that, Chiron is conjunct Saturn in Pisces in the tenth house; both are retrograde and oppose Pluto in the fourth. Saturn also opposes Uranus in Virgo in the fourth, which conjuncts Pluto (but is out of range for opposition to Chiron). I don’t know how to be anything but an empath. I take on people’s pain without even realizing it. I’ve got a lot of heavy energy in angular houses, and it’s always been overwhelming to handle. My Cancer sun adds to the sensitivity too.

  27. You sound like a 65 kid raven. Is your cancer sun also trining your Saturn or Chiron to form a grand trine? And a kite by the Saturn Chiron opposition to Pluto and Uranus? This is my case scenario.
    Regards

  28. You got it exactly, The B. My Cancer sun trines both Saturn and Chiron. That’s a grand trine with Sun-Saturn-Chiron and Sun-Saturn-Neptune. The second one is very exact; all are at 17 degrees of the water signs. And yes, the grand trines make a kite to the Pluto-Uranus conjunction. Any tips on how to deal with all this heavy energy? It’s been a struggle my whole life.

  29. I also have Chiron at 8 degrees Pisces opposite Pluto 8 degrees Virgo. However, my mars is also at 8 degrees Pisces and Mercury at 11 degrees pisces. Neptune is at 13 degrees Scorpio which trines the mars mercury conjunction, but i think Chiron need a tighter orb for this to count as a trine. Weird, i also have Libra rising.

    Yes, I do care. I am a teacher. How can anyone not care? That’s what I don’t get.

  30. I feel that the trick here is in harnessing the dual power of Uranus pluto conjunction in virgo in the 4th house. To contain is the key word. And to allow, knowingly… to wait, wait for the release upward, that I expect is taking place presently, than to move along towards the target in the tenth house which is becoming clear now. Be weary of grand delusion, however-to be a most effective medium for the healing energies seeking to anchor. And that is the issue: healing energy seeking to anchor if one could but hold still! Image an ancient warrior with the eyes gazing into the distant horizon,

    As for taking on peoples pain, as you say, ask yourself, what does it serve me? Certainly it is no great service, rather a weakness of heart. It is much harder to endure in the face of pain than otherwise.
    to anyone, least of all yourself. This is in the context of being useful, of course. Hope this helps:)

    The B

  31. How interesting. Because here’s me with Saturn in Pisces (conj. Chiron if it matters) and opposing Uranus and Pluto in Virgo, and training to be a nurse. I am a very caring person, and I will have to learn that happy medium between caring enough, (I’m a very caring person)and burning out because I’ve cared too much. People (instructors) like to give it fancy names, and say something like how we need to empathize rather than care. Whatever, call it what you like. I think it’s something you have to learn out there in the trenches, and prob get straight right quick so you don’t go down with the ship. I would like to be caring with everyone, but I’m not a complete innocent and know that I’ll have to be very careful of myself.

  32. *blushes*
    Lol, I didn’t realize until after I posted the first time that I wrote it twice. Sheesh.
    Thing is, you can edit on the boards, so I forget to check here, where you can’t.

  33. I think I misunderstood your statement ,too. I am in a caring profession..giving out meds to people who are low income or indigent…but so many people lie, take advantage and have the idea they are entitled to anything they desire just because they are here…it turns me off. I have people who do need my services and cry and thank me and then I break down and cry with them .I do care., but being a pisces, I have had to learn to filter the bullshitters and let it rolll off me. As far as your meaning others wannting to help because they say they care about you? I would always think..What’s in it for them? no one does anything just to help someone else. only Mother Therea would do that.

  34. I have chiron in aquarius…not sure I know what to do with it, or what it does to me..I let it be and it lets me be…although, it has been sitting conjunct my pisces moon at exact 11 degrees for some time now.

  35. I am guessing ‘scatters brained’ is not one of your characteristics; it does after all take a lot of organising ability to maintain a busy blog like this. I regret my comment to the extent that it was terse and a bit antsy. I was trying to get at the point that I came to this post and discussion following a Web search for insight on the Chiron-Pluto transit (which is about to enter my life right now) but I found a scant amount of information about the aspect itself. C’est la Internet, I guess.

  36. I have tried to find a way to ‘not’ care so much. Have not found a way to do it yet. It’s been my biggest problem through most of my life. Then, of course I get hurt. My husband has said over and over, expect nothing from these people you are dealing with so you are not crushed when you find them empty in the end. They don’t care about (insert the whatever thing) it as much you do. And, they never will. I have really had to pull back on the passion and compassion. Which is what is normally my driving force. And, without it I have much less steam. At this age its hard to find a way to do things another way.

  37. I care in to my bones..also have Chiron opposite Pluto and Jupiter conjunct Chiron in Pisces.
    I know about this lack of compassion – it breaks my heart over and over. I´m a cancerian!
    To have compassion you have to be strong in spirit and soul. One friend once told me; people have nothing to give..But without compassion there is nothing..We will not survive as a species.

  38. I tend to agree with the Solder that most people don’t actually care.

    I’d say most people are acting out their baggage, trying to buy favour, or confusing caring with enabling. As your story about the bar tending shows Elsa, it was when you stopped the enabling that you really began to care.

    You really can’t truly begin to care for other people until you know how to care for yourself. And in my experience there’s a lot of people who don’t really know how to do that.

  39. I have this natally too Elsa (25 Virgo / 28 Chiron 5th house Pluto / 11 house Chiron) I cry a lot, I go to church a lot, I cry and sing there from my heart for all – dead, suffering alive. I support priests, nuns and parishioners in their work. Now my son has leukemia we are together in hospital. I have to do ‘nurse’ work since I am at his side 24/7. There is a difference – it’s their job, it’s my son’s life Or death. It’s tough but it’s my situation I’m supporting other parents and singing at church (crying and singing ? is very healing)this is my support. I’ve seen also true empathy and action on the part of doctors and nurses too.

  40. I normally don’t comment, but this post struck a deep cord with me.

    I spent a significant chunk of my twenties working in a funeral home, and, though I moved on to a different profession, I do regular volunteer work with a local hospic agency. (May be something to do with my Virgo sun in the twelfth? I don’t know.)

    I see a lot of this skeptical attitude toward people who work in caring professions. It’s like, “How can I REALLY TRUST that you care?”

    The people receiving care are looking for demonstrations of what they believe caring to be, and often such “demonstrations” are left entirely undefined… nebulous even to those looking for them.

    I’m not saying being skeptical is a bad thing or that questioning another person’s motives is wrong. It is what it is.

    I’m just trying to point out that it’s difficult to meet undefined expectations. And the goal post always seems to move with regard to how one “should” genuinely, appropriately express their emotions.

    For someone who is sensitive, being repeatedly met with the “I lowkey think you don’t really care” response can mess with a person’s self worth.

    That’s were boundaries come into the picture.

    Elsa does point this out: “There are people working in various fields who see so much crap, they’ve no choice but to shut down their feelings, in order to function.”

    I can attest to this. Sometimes the best thing you can do to care for a person is concentrate on the job you’re there to perform. You don’t have to be cold about it, but being swept up the other person’s emotions can prevent you from doing the job they hired you for. That’s a practical boundary.

    Another boundary I created (thank you, Saturn return to second house Scorpio) is the understanding that caring, kindness, generosity, and gratitude are gifts.

    They are not obligations (as I was raised to believe they were), they are gifts.

    As such, no person can demand a gift from another. It has to be given of free will.

    Being honest, working with this boundary will oftentimes throw my Libra Venus for a loop.

    People-pleasing and caving into someone else’s demand of my kindness, generosity, or gratitude is not truly helpful – to me or them.

    (BTW, I also feel the need to point out that, in my experience, those who often demand kindness and gratitude are the same people I hear complaining about how others don’t care as much as they do. That’s not caring, that’s instigating a power struggle.)

    Furthermore, I believe once a gift is given the responsibility for that gift passes to the recipient as well. How someone does or does not use my gift of kindness, generosity, or gratitude is on their conscience, not mine.

    Having this psychological boundary in place provided me a way to nurture and protect my self worth, which in turn bolsters my ability to do the work I think I’m meant to do on this planet: serve others, with love.

    (many thanks again, Saturn return to second house Scorpio)

  41. I realized a few days ago, theres a difference between being empathic or feeling strong empathy even to a point of identifying and…. being social.
    So you can be very social and not super empathic! It is not the same! You don’t have to be amical to be empathic. Actually people can be very empatic and not social or amical. Right?!
    So I guess you can be social and not very empathic.
    In the dictionary it says: “psychological identification with the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of others”. So perhaps you can also have a spiritual or mental or soullevel identification ie. more intense.

    Empathy and sociability is not the same.

    Wondering how charisma fits in this.

  42. My Chiron is in Virgo conjunct Mercury and opposite Saturn. I realized early on that I could never stop caring or detach my emotions enough to work in a field like that. On top of that my difficulty to express my emotions, would be greatly frustrating and having the moon in the 12th I’m easily drained.

  43. I have this placement in 5 and12 Chiron in pieces. The childhood wound started very young , and grew. I new something was wrong but didn’t know what it was. Totally alienated by the family and torn . I loved my family but never felt I belong .a feeling of percicution unloved . School was the same , I found it hard to find my nishe . I had learning difficulties , which I didn’t understand , I now know it’s dyslexia .for myself it was about nurture , the lack of it.
    And parental guidance .
    My relationship I had with self , outside influences school . No support no one to turn to.
    And yet I love them . School was a terrible experience in 70s britian . And the teachers
    Weren’t bothered . My journey is a spiritual path , forgiveness education . Astrology is a wonderful tool , I have learned so much and still do . The past the history , it’s gone and now it’s time to break free and be me .
    A humble man that listens and helps …

  44. Opposite Pluto and Uranus in Virgo and conjunct Ceres in Pisces.Hope ceres nurtures the wounded healer as they’r both under fire

  45. chiron/Pisces opposite pluto conj NN/Virgo
    Drained of many feelings through witnessing and experiencing cyclic trauma since childhood. In age, ability to cry out of happiness and/or sadness when it comes to humans has become a challenge. Victim/Saviour/Healer cycles exhaustion. Drained after Chiron return and subsequent Chiron on Sun too. (like boom, boom, boom ….). Looking for an island paradise to retire to….

  46. Chiron in Pisces is transiting into opposition to my natal Pluto in Libra, the aspect will start in mid-June. (Sound the scary movie suspense music.) This is about something very INTENSE involving PAIN – and if you’ve ever had to brace yourself for pain you KNOW is coming? You know the knots forming in your shoulders, up your neck. You know the clenching of your glutes, the clenching of your jaw, the holding of your breath. You know that you’ll have to cancel all your appointments, to focus all your energy on managing and coping with PAIN. This isn’t a surface pain. It’s a deep, burning one you will carry in your psyche long into the future. It might even be a recurring one, that returns again and again relentlessly.

    I’m trying to prepare myself. Your article helps me get that head start to meditate and consider what I’ll be dealing with.
    It’s a familiar theme I’m sure to all of us. But there was a time, when I was younger, when people expressed admiration for how I truly didn’t give a [expletive]. It wasn’t that I’m not emotional, empathetic, or any of those things. It’s just that I recognized that when my value is not being reciprocated in a relationship – the other person should not be receiving long-term loyalty and care from me.

    Most often people give me their care, with an unspoken expectation of something from me – its not what they say they want in return – there is some underlying power they want to have over me in return for having given their care to me.

    It’s like they desire to have authority to decide my value, how much income I should or should not be getting, and I should live up to that obligation – why? I was born free in reality! Because they “care.” Not because they have given me a roof over my head, or something I need in terms of my human need for affection like a nice long hug. No, they just “care” – an empty word which if I fall for it and allow myself to depend on them to come through for me if I am in need – they will not be there and are still withholding what I am entitled (yes I used the word) to from them.

    In my experience, if someone says they “care” about me? I had better watch my wallet, my earthly goods, watch out for my income source, and be very suspicious. I had better question their authority and position. I have better know the law and figure out how it is enforced, and whether those enforcers are honest and not on the take with this particular person. I hate that it’s this way, but it is for me, perpetually.

    I dislike having to gather my defenses in the expectation they are about to bully me for my lunch money, from a position where they can do it for a very long time. I have to think long-term in every relationship I have – with these contingencies in mind. I resisted this. I wanted people who CARE ABOUT ME, as human, as a person. But somehow those people don’t seem to occupy these particular positions in my life! Just a small kindness is amazing, a relief, a wonder of wonders!

    These are people who are supposed to be contributing to me – people positioned in my life from my 8th House. Was I left an inheritance? I’m not likely getting what was willed to me. Was I due a return on my taxes? I have to fight some power/control figure who doesn’t want to give me what I am due. In the divorce, he gets the kids, the dog, the house, the truck, etc – and I get bullied as his family pulls strings to ensure I can’t earn a basic living. Oh, I’ve experienced even worse abuse than that, but suffice it to say – with Chiron in my 2nd House in Aries, and Pluto in my 8th House in Libra – I pay attention when Chiron transits Pluto from any aspect, from any sign!!

    Libra is about the scales of what is just and right. But I have not been given what is just and right very much in my life. I have had to FIGHT for my very survival where many others around me (not all) simply receive that 8th House contribution without a constant, never-ending, stubborn, bully power-crazed-tyrant who wants to deny them on the other end. Everyone experiences such obstruction of justice once or twice in their lives, profoundly affecting them long-term. But some of us, with Pluto and Chiron positioned in the 2nd and 8th house – get dished up more than their fair share of serious deprivations.
    I remember one woman who I went to for advice witnessing the abuse happening right there in front of her, and asking me, “Does it ever stop?” No. It hasn’t ever stopped. I’m conditioned to it. I can’t CARE too much about it not stopping, because it won’t. What I do have to care about is UTTERLY DEFEATING this dynamic’s destructive impact on my life. I’m committed to that end like nobody’s business. This is my 2nd House we’re talking about. My Sun is there.
    I’ve been told terrible psychologically abusive things like – it’s my own self-esteem. That’s totally false. It isn’t my self-esteem and I am not the one controlling the abusive behavior of others. I don’t MAKE them behave the way they do. I reject that false notion, and if it’s crammed down my throat against my will, I will vomit it out on the dinner plate of the person who crammed it. Let them eat what they serve. That sounds extreme, but where Pluto is involved – extremity is involved.

    It took astrology for me to understand that the extremism was NOT originating with me! It really and truly is that Other, who feels threatened and insecure because of my Aries Sun. Yes, I can stand still and be as unassuming and humble as can be – it doesn’t matter. I exist. And I cross paths with these particular people who can’t stand the JOY of my existence! It’s this JOY that is attracting better people, but even so – when it comes to forming 8th House relations or dealing with 8th House matters? I have this dynamic, no matter what I would prefer

    It does seem this was a card I drew in life – that I’m supposed to just suffer and endure, and become stronger, every time some asshole discovers they are in a position where they can burn down my life – and chooses to do it, just to enjoy that sense of superiority and power trip. Sometimes, I look up at the sky and cry. I say, “I’m tired of being made stronger. Must I be pressured into a diamond? I don’t want to be hard-hearted person! I’m tired of fighting about it.”

    How could I form relationships where I might share anything that might make me vulnerable to someone who will use their intimate knowledge of me to deprive me? I don’t cry out for a savior. No one answered when I did. I just found that deep inside of me – I truly have grit, a will to LIVE.

    But that’s not good enough anymore. I refuse to just survive. No, I’m going to thrive. I don’t care if they don’t care. I care – about me. When I have pain, and they ignore it? Like those doctors all those years since I was a child ignoring my endometriosis, telling me I had mental issues, when I was bleeding internally the whole time? I have to BELIEVE: the scales of justice are NOT tipped in the favor of those who position themselves in charge of those dependent on them and abuse that position!! At some point – PLUTO is there and will turn that back on them.

    And pain – the levels of pain I have endured – let’s just see how STRONG THEY are when they must endure it and who really cares about them. I’m not obligated to care, as I’m not in a position of authority that obligates me. I care about humanity, but I’m not obligated to care about abusive people. That is reserved for the people who they hurt!!

    A caregiver is in a position of power over the person they are giving care to. There is a major gap in legal recourse for when someone has not been given the care they were supposed to receive from the caregiver managing things that affect that person’s basic ability to live – in so many cases, and in so many ways.

    An executor of a will is in a position of power over the estate they are supposed to ensure is received by the people named in that will. Legal recourse costs more than anyone can afford, so a dishonest executor can continue to own power of those assets as long as they please in many, many cases. It takes a long time for any justice to be done, if ever.

    Chiron opposite Pluto. It’s a doozy! You are not a victim! You are a spirit warrior spitting in the furnace of hell, quenching its fires.

  47. I don’t get it, are you saying the caring is inauthentic because Virgo is self serving? I can see that in people I know who have this.

    • I’m not sure if you are addressing me. I would say that it serves Virgo to serve others. 🙂
      Their caring may be authentic or otherwise. I wouldn’t make a blanket statement on that.

  48. Very interesting. Thank you. Got this too. Chiron, Pisces, 8th H., tight conjunct Mercury and SN (+Pallas), and Pluto right on NN, 2nd H., then, of course. Increasingly realizing the degree of sensitivity I´m functioning at. My job for quite a few years now is taking care of elderly people. The organisation is far from perfect, and it often does hurt as you empathize with the people you are sat there to help, and you´re stuck in limits put by to little time and resources. But I´ve also come to understand that I can sometimes use this interacting, to alleviate people´s pain. Mainly by just being a human being speaking to and handling another human being. This work has been a perfect school (though often unwillingly so on my part…:)) in many, many ways and it´s probably not over for some time.

  49. Very interesting. Thank you. Got this too. Chiron, Pisces, 8th H., tight conjunct Mercury and SN (+Pallas), and Pluto right on NN, 2nd H., then, of course. I´m increasingly realizing the degree of sensitivity I´m functioning at. My job for quite a few years now is taking care of elderly people. The organisation is far from perfect, and it often does hurt as you empathize with the people you are sat there to help, and you´re stuck in limits put by to little time and resources. But I´ve also come to understand that I can sometimes use this interacting, to alleviate people´s pain. Mainly by just being a human being speaking to and handling another human being. This work has been a perfect school (though often unwillingly so on my part…:)) in many, many ways and it´s probably not over for some time.

  50. I just found this. I have the same Pisces Chiron- virgo Pluto aspect. It definitely refelcts in my job. It has to have some use and my need to help out in the darker aspects of life are errily accurate. I love dealing in large scale disasters but also work with cancer patients and their treatments.
    I am enamored of this and others see that. Im glad I am not in a position to have to be “detached” from the emotional side of this business. But I am glad I can retreat into detachment if it all becomes too much if need be.

  51. I see Elsa. I used to be like this. Really thinking that people are in those jobs because they care. Perhaps they do start out that way and then become numb as a defemse mechanism. Working in a nursing home for 5 years, I can understand that. Luckily Ive gotten better at spotting that lip-service insincerity in people who really dont mean it.
    And I am brutal at calling out those people who do that kind of lip service if I know there are vulnerable trusting people involved.

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