Midheaven – How People See You Out In The World?

I was talking to satori about how the computer guys were condescending around my crashed hard drive.

“Maybe it’s my age,” I said. “It’s as if I couldn’t possibly have any data on my computer that would be important to save.”

She said computer guys always treated her very well.

“Well that’s because you look hip,” I said. “I don’t look hip, I’m from the desert. You know that picture where I’m standing in my bare feet, middle of nowhere?”


“Well I still look like that. No matter where I go, I look just like that and I never belong anywhere. I’m like a thing that has landed and people have no idea…”

I have Neptune on the midheaven and almost without fail, whoever people think I am, they’re mistaken. It is as if people don’t talk to me, but a hologram of me.

So what about you? What sign isΒ on your midheaven? Is there a planet conjunct?


Midheaven – How People See You Out In The World? — 108 Comments

  1. I so wanted to click “I look hip because I’m a Gemini” but my Gemini is trumped by my Scorpio asc. and moon. People definitely keep their distance at first and woe to the ones who don’t respect my boundaries.

    On the other hand, I have Virgo midheaven so maybe I seem self contained and independant.

    Thank you for giving me something to ponder this morning. πŸ™‚

  2. I’m a hip 11 year old w/ a Scorpio rising. I can stare you down!!! But i’m hip ’cause i’m a gemini.

    And proud of it πŸ™‚

  3. I chose ‘hipness’ since the only thing that reliably stands between me and super-stardom is the unpredictable nature of mine hair. If it’s good, it’s good – and stays that way regardless of how long I’ve been sleeping on it and not brushing it. If it’s bad, it’s bad – regardless of the amount of product and accessories used for damage control.

    Which isn’t to say I’ve been hip for all that long. Most of my life I’ve had the face of a baby and the wardrobe of a 40 year old. But then, a few years back, when I realised that I didn’t have The Ugliest Body In the World Which Must Be Kept Covered Up At All Costs Lest The Eyes of Humanity Burn Up In Their Sockets I started to wear the clothes I actually wanted to wear and from then on I was shiny.

    I’m pretty versatile though – don’t feel out of place in any environment where the mood takes me.

    I’m not a Gemini, but I do have Gemini on the Midheaven. Venus is not conjunct but hovers around there 9 degrees away. Also, I’ve got a Scorpio Moon, and if there is one thing my instinctive nature knows how to do, it is to be sexy.

    I think there are two kinds of outcasts/aliens – those who feel excluded, and like they don’t belong or those who give off the vibe as being too cool to be pinned down to any one thing/place.

    But I also think a lot of it is to do with the dynamics of others. I’m very aware of how who I was with influenced what I dressed and looked like. I’m pretty versatile when it comes to styles and can carry off a number of them without feeling uncomfortable.

    When I was with a dreamy Pisces I grew my hair long, and wore flowing things. When I was with Leos I either went ‘shiny sparkles’ or ‘mysterious drama’ direction. The Aquarians brough out my ‘cool and funky’ side. On the other hand my husband of the Great Whopping Aries Stellium oozes coolness when separated from tracksuits and he in turn has revived my stylish and fiery side.

    I suppose it’s the Venus in Gemini thing – looking good together is important, but beauty is a versatile thing and open to experiementation.

    • I love this — “… the face of a baby and the wardrobe of a 40 year old.”
      Bridget Jones at the turkey curry buffet!

  4. Scorpio midheaven, uranus conjunct. I chose Alien, because that’s how i feel most of the time. I’m not really sure how other people perceive me… two days ago a couple of friends said I’m AnaÆ’

  5. Hi Elsa,

    I just recently found your site and am loving it!

    I also feel misunderstood. I am a Pisces with Libra on my MC conjunct Neptune as well. Pisces is on my third cusp and many times I get the feeling that people don’t believe what I say, but I consider myself very truthful unless it’s something that may hurt someone.

    Anyway Neptune/MC makes it hard for me to focus on a direction for career as well.

  6. My midheaven is in Pisces. Since I was a tiny kid, people (grownups) have been telling me all their deepest darkest secrets and confessing all manner of misdemeanors.

    Evidently, I look like a confessional box. πŸ˜€

  7. Ha ha! Viviana I am also Scorpio MC conjunct Uranus…but I chose the superstar option. I guess that is because my MC is squared Saturn, which is in Leo. And Saturn is trine Neptune, which is the the 12th house.

    Okay, it’s official. I am an alien posing as a superstar!

  8. BTW Elsa,

    That picture of you is amazing! It reminds me of those super-imposed fairy photos from the 20s.
    The computer dudes were sooo obviously intimidated by your now-I’m-here-now-I’m-not vibe!

  9. I am very much a hologram to the general public, and I’ve been told as much by new people I meet, once they get past the exterior and actually talk to me. It’s interesting, since I am not out to be so easily misunderstood, but it seems to happen on a regular basis.

    Well, less so now. I’m less paranoid (or maybe just better at hiding it ;-)) nowadays, or maybe I’ve finally decided not to give a shit about what other people think of me.

    Very interesting, Elsa!

  10. ARIES in the 9th house, Mars just before the
    MC, Saturn/Uranus just after. I checked “alien”, people tell me I come across cranky and cold, but “real sweet” once they get to know me.

  11. Capricorn midheaven. People keep their distance. It’s true! No-one ever invades my personal space unless they’re unbalanced.

  12. I put “Alien” ’cause that’s what everyone seems to see.. even when I’m trying to “pass.” Even when I dress conservatively, it’s like I’m in normal person drag. Aquarius on the midheaven. I’m a freak.

  13. Ok last time I’ll comment for this post…but I had to think about it…I know! I come off as dramatic..with moon conjunct pluto..conjunct the midheaven…dramatic in an overally emotionally expressible kind of way…=o?

  14. Ok sorry Elsa I lied…bad girl…bad..um..really this is the last time…maybe that’s my sun in the first house coming through as the dramatic factor… ?.? gosh I dunno…could it be possible that you could more up about the midheaven effecting the way other people see you?

  15. uhh. well, i’m a gemini, but i know i don’t come across as ‘hip’. maybe ‘too cool’, at best. people are scared of me, or intimidated by me, or feel the need to argue with me because i’ve once again done something against the status-quo. cancer midheaven. no conjunctions, but it’s aspected by several planets.

    tech geeks love me because i research everything i possibly can with the resources i have before i see them, and then ask a lot of questions, so as not to be financially fucked over or have my time wasted. then again, being a gemini, perhaps i like/need to research everything..?

  16. I have Scorpio in the Midheaven and in the 9th House it seems. Fuck if I know what that means. I come off weird, very friendly, unfocused, and immature but not stylish lately because of my Aquarius Ascendant and Gemini Sun.

  17. Oh, and those computer geeks are almost uniformly condescending, Elsa. It’s not just you-
    Watch Sex and the Shitty, the episode where Carrie’s computer crashes. That’s how most of them treat everyone.
    And I’ve been having computer troubles as well, but mercury isn’t backing up, yet…
    So I can’t explain it with astrology.

  18. I have a Leo Midheaven conjunct my North Node.
    I am 43 and still shop at all the young trendy stores. I consider the GAP too stodgy.
    In my younger days I was always dressed to the 9’s. (I have a Libra ASC). I put an Alien because people say that I am weird. But look at where I live…it is all relative. If I lived on, let’s say, the West or East Coasts I’d probably fit right in….but I don’t so god forbid if you’re not sporting oversized sweats with cartoon characters or big fruits and flowers painted on the front with sparklies outlining them! I think people who wear that stuff are strange.
    Anyhoo, with a Leo MC you could imagine I dress for maximum effect….and I do. I never go in public dressed in sweats. As a matter of fact I own one trendy sweatsuit and hate wearing it. ( My husband has an Aries Moon and lives in them!)
    Cool topic, Elsa:)

  19. gemini rising. aquarius midheaven. I feel like a hologram. I can talk and I can “fit-in” ie dress to the occasion and talk the talk of the group but I don’t fit. I am very misperceived on a regular basis. When I have to correct those close to me as to what I’m feeling it’s frustrating. I’ve started to learn, as I get older that I *should* correct people. Othwerwise the situation will spin out of control because they think that I’m angry when I’m not, when I just want downtime or time to myself. It’s fascinating who mispercieves me and who doesn’t. There are a rare few who listen. Maybe it’s coming from a different culture that I watch things go by in this culture that seem so nonsensical to me that I don’t “hook” in. Maybe.

  20. Yeh but Elsa looks way cool on a motorcycle while I look like a Victorian virgin wondering what all the thrumming is between my legs! OH HEAVENS TO BETSY!

    Leo midheaven, with Uranus and Pluto up close in the tenth house. I’m an alien and I’m cool. Depends on the person who is looking at me. Super straight people think I’m a stick of gum on the bottom of their shoe and try to back away, the less uptight think I’m JUST LIKE THEM (oh I don’t want to hear that ever again!) And kindred spirits start grinning at me, so I talk to a lot of strangers.

    But I have to be dressed right or I feel uncomfortable. Preferably “Stylish California Granola Girl”. My clothes are second hand but my shoes are expensive. My purse is pseudo-leather but my cosmetics cost a fortune. And so it goes.

  21. I have Aries on my MC with Mars conjunct my IC in Libra and Leo Rising- I’m left laughing at what people might think of me. πŸ™‚

  22. I have Scorpio on the MC conjunct Uranus (water planet singleton) and NN from the 9th. Thus, I’m intensely alien… or?;) People certainly keep their distance, much to the chagrin of my Libra stellium… Most of the time I try to make a conscious effort to come across as approachable.
    (Even with Sag rising – not Cap, as one might think).
    On a more positive note; I feel very lucky to be able to say that I have a whole bunch of male friends with Sun or Mars in Scorpio who read me like an open book (and it’s apparently one of their favourite books, hah!), and I’m enjoying every minute of it! Female Scorpios? They all stab me in the back in the end!

  23. My MC is Aquarius and have experimented with lots of styles, hair colors etc. Had to laugh at the candour of Ariel – fellow Aquarious MC “Even when I dress conservatively, it’s like I’m in normal person drag. Aquarius on the midheaven. I’m a freak.” Classic comment.

    I have Saturn in Aquarius at MC and am constantly in battle to wear something not too weird today. Saturn says ‘try and fit in’ and ‘be conservative’. Whereas Aquarius says ‘to hell with it – I’ll wear what I bloody well feel like’. Saturn likes status or power dressing ie.collared, tailor fitted jackets, shoulder pads. Aquarius will wear that jacket in purple with pink edging.

    I’ve got Taurus Asc, Sag sun – which can give a friendly, easy on the eye appearance. So I ticked the Girl next door box. But I’m Girl next doot with a Twist of the Freak.

  24. Midheaven in Sadge conjunct Mars and Uranus, but square my sun, moon, and merc.

    Ascendent in Aquarius, sextile Neptune, trine Pluto, and opposite my sun and merc.

    It may all depend whether I open my mouth or not.

    People have told me these things: I seem like a guys girl. I seem like someone who would know how to ride a horse. I put them off at first, I am sweet and they couldn’t imagine me being tough on anyone. I seem serious, reserved

    I’ve been at least 2 years older than I am since I was 15. Nowadays (I just graduated college) I am occasionally asked if I have kids and how old they are…

    I seem “worldly”, I seem like I’ve “been there, done that.” (and apparently I seem like I know all the answers, because people are always asking.) A scorpio told me that I was like a “pool of water”- not easy to discover the depths of, A gemini was trying to teach me self-defense but gave up demonstrating because I wasn’t “threatening enough” close friends say I am cute and harmless seeming but very smart, lots of people call me Mom in a teasing way, some people say I know how to dress up, everyone thinks I’m thinner than I am, I also get easy-going a lot.

    The above are all adapted from actual comments.

    And clothes? well, everything I own is in a flattering colour. I’ve got some outlandish stuff- but mostly my clothes are practical (because I’m abroad, they have to be)- and they bear interesting though unrelated stories, that go, for the most part, “well, when I was in XXXX doing XXXX there was…”

  25. I answered “Something you didn’t think of, Elsa” because I have no idea! Gemini MC, no planets nearby, unless you count the asteriod Juno which is smack dab on top. I guess I could be flighty and chatty with strangers sometimes? Oh, yeah, I have been told I talk very fast and constantly sometimes, but that could be my Merc in Aries. A-ha! This is interesting – I never looked at my Gem MC and Merc in that way. So I talk fast because of Aries and I talk constantly because I can talk about ANYTHING under the sun.

  26. I always wondered why people thought it was ok to tell my good friend that she was ‘disgusting’ for kissing a girl in public, or pick on her for no apparent reason. She seems very vulnerable and gentle and because of that I get very protective of her. She’s 15cm taller than me, but even though I’m short, no-one has EVER said anything like that to my face. I’ll have to look up her MC.

  27. Ruth – I love that your clothes have stories. Mine too. I got this scarf here doing xyz and this surprise here and my cousin I haven’t seen in years dropped by to give me this shirt because it didn’t fit her anymore… etc. etc. LOL The only parts that don’t have stories are the socks, undies and bras…. which all came from regular stores. The rest – have a story.


  28. Little Miss Hermit gave me a clue, I guess I’m an ultimate alien even if I don’t think so. People have told me they thought I was crazy when they first met me and I usually tend to say really weird things by way of introduction, like “you are a green-eyed monster” and it makes sense in my head why I say it. Maybe I appear a weird, eccentric alien when you add the Scorpio midheaven to my Aquarius ascendant or especially intensely sensitive when you add Scorpio to the Cancer in my chart? But I always think people see right through me as a Gemini because I am so damn excited when meeting a lot of people at once. People have guessed that I am an Aquarius, though, but what do they know?

  29. With a Gemini MC sextile my Leo moon, I’m a SUPER STAR. Baby. With Uranus in Taurus at the top of chart conjuct Jupiter, saturn, venus in the ninth house I don’t give a shit what people think about me. If I may quote Terry Cole Whittaker’s wonderful book,” What You Think Of Me Is None Of My Business”. My sentiments exactly.

  30. Reading these posts just now got me thinking because I also only thought of the Ascendant in terms of appearance. Having Virgo there doesn’t really match my outward “style”. I have Gemini MC sextile Leo Mars, Aries Sun/Mercury. I don’t necessarily feel like a Super Star (though I am secretly narcissistic) but I KNOW I’ve always been very cool. Looking younger than my years helps (thanks to the Mercury influences I guess).

    I have always gotten noticed, for good or ill, there is nothing stealthy about my presence. I always joked that I could never be a bank robber! I love jewelry that is bold and interesting. I love to enhance my looks with make-up. I abhor anything too trendy or gawdy. In high school it was very in vogue to get a tatoo. Not me. I chose not to thinking, “I’ll be the only one without one!” Besides, I get bored with things so easily, I couldn’t imagine being stuck with a pegasus tattoo on my shoulder for the rest of my life! Back then I opted for piercings before they were de rigueur. To this day I still love them. When Uranus trined my natal Moon a while back I gave in to my secret desire for a labret! I didn’t care what anyone had to say about it and I didn’t care what potential clients might think either. So for the last year I’ve been sporting the coolest little diamond stud under my bottom lip. I’ve had pierced twenty-somethings stop me in public to ask about it – apparently they’d never seen a tiny diamond worn as a labret, most kids wear stainless steel balls or rings I guess.

    I also love to talk! I’m very animated and I’m constantly gesturing with my hands while I talk. I always thought it was an Italian thing, haha.

    One thing I just noticed in my chart is that my MC is conjunct my Venus opposite Uranus midpoint. I’m not sure what that means though I’m merely a “wannabe” astrologer, rarely stick with anything long enough to become an expert. I know just enough to be dangerous πŸ˜€ An astrologer told me that my natal Jupiter was “Oriental” which meant that everything about me would be expansive…out there for all to see…something like that. It fits I suppose. One thing I do know – I’ll never be a bank robber!

  31. Hi Elsa: No idea how I got here. I just wrote down “saturn conjunct moon and pluto” and the only answer was your site. Lucky me. Mars 0 aquarius in the midheaven, wondering about Saturn getting pretty soon, (although backwards right now) to my powerful pluto 26 leo moon 4 virgo conjuction in the 5 house. Born in Caracas, venezuela the 21 of October 1954. 6.05 pm. Leave a comment If you want to. Love your picture. Life as it is. Bare and beutiful.
    Luisa Beatriz

  32. This is true i guess… SOme people can’t really ride on with my humour, yet find it interesting(they think?) unless he/she is an aquarian, and i have many aquarian friends. This is due to my Merc in Aquarius, and I can’t stop talking since i do have a Gemini Midheaven and i have stomach problems due to my Virgo, which rules the digestive system, Ascendant….

    Sometimes I have trouble digesting a simple chip, and going to the bathroom twice a day has been a routine to me…. The horror! ugh!

    Oh, btw…I am a Third Decan Pisces Sun.

    PS: I like pink.

  33. Yeah, i’ve Scorpio AC, Virgo MC with Pluto & Mercury (sextile AC) there. I’ve been told before that I appear self contained and independant (as poster above mentioned for theirs). I’ve also Neptune & Jupiter conjunct AC in Sag. so have definately been told by EVERYONE that i’m hard to figure out – lol.

  34. I’m definitely hologram’ish…but then, I also have Neptune conj the midheaven…I was recently told that I appear to exist “just outside the circle” and that I seem perfectly happy there. I think that was the most accurate description of me…ever!

  35. This is a great post as I am pondering through the internet about my MC. I have a few contacts to my MC one is Neptune and Mars trining it. Because of my double cancer ascendant in combination of it all people see me as the vulnerable and naive child. I’m 30, but look and sound 16. So a lot of people see me as for who I am not, but what they want to see me as and people love to take advantage of me too. But when my Gemini Sun comes out after having being taken advantage of, people resent it. I’m not a doormat people!!! But sometimes I must admit I let people go a little too far before I say something.

  36. Pisces MC…….i’m with you on this one. Not from the desert, but i’m the barefoot person till this day. People for the most part do seem to keep their distance, but also see me too as a hologram.

  37. It’s fun to see what I posted before…which was ‘I’m a superstar’ and this time around I voted ‘people keep their distance.’

    And naturally, I think both. There’s Uranus conjunct MC for you. Total effen weirdo.

  38. I have Scorpio MC conjunct Pluto from the 9th. I attract people even when I want to be alone, friendly, spiritual people fortunately. My Pluto MC is trined by Sun from the 6th/7th, sextiles Neptune from the 12th and quincunxes Venus in Gemini 5th.

    When I was younger I thought that others could read me like an open book, as a fellow Scorp MC put it here. Somehow I’ve come to master that and am now able to come of as sincere and caring and actually be that way :] I’ve actually been described as ruthless and domineering because of my lack of tolerance for nonsense and inconsistency on others part. Those others might be represented by my 4th house Jupiter.

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