I hear a person say they’ve never been loved from time to time. It’s an interesting topic and not necessarily painful.
Astrologically, I would give this situation or sentiment to Venus in aspect to Saturn in a natal chart. I’d also look at Venus in Capricorn, Saturn in the 7th and maybe the 2nd. Venus in the 10th might also be suspect but…
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Astrology-Based Advice: Divorcing Aquarius Woman Meets Scorpio Man
Dear Elsa,
My marriage is ending, which is a very good thing. I am seeing someone else though (a Scorpio), who is adding to the confusion in my life.
He is foreign, ambitious, passionate, and exciting. When I am with him, everything seems so effortless and my problems seem manageable. Because we both are very busy people, we do not spend a ton of time together – but the time we do spend is very fulfilling. He is very demonstrative and affectionate physically and verbally, and tells me he loves me and such. However, this is all tempered with days when he is not exactly cold or ambivalent, but close to that.
He’ll be distant for days, and then jump back to being adoring and attentive. It will seesaw like this. Days that are so lovely… then days that are upsetting, because it seems like we are wasting what precious time we have together. This confuses me.
Is this all just a huge mistake? He has been patient and supportive for the most part, but there are those times when he gets almost fatalistic. There are a million other things going on in my life that make every day a trial, and he has been the one place where I feel calm and like I can be myself for better or worse. But then there are those days when his distance adds to the pressure.
I am so confused, I don’t even know what my question is. Is this worth it? I do absolutely adore him but are we just too different? Is this just crappy timing, or could this work?
Signed,
Overwhelmed
Dear Overwhelmed,
Let me read this back, simplified and from my perspective:
You have met someone new, and your life is in flux. This new person is supportive and has you energized; however he is a human being, with various patterns and quirks. The bastard doesn’t go left, left, left, left. He goes left, left, up, down, left, left…
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Open Question: Saturn In The 7th House… Would You Marry Them? How Popular Is Real Love Anyway?
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“Hey Elsa, All else being equal, how would you feel about marrying someone with Saturn in the Seventh?”
Boy, that’s a good question. For people new to astrology, traditional interpretation of Saturn in the 7th house (or any other Venus Saturn exchange) is burden in relationship. There are other manifestations of course. People marry older partners, controlling partners, the marriage is a business deal and I could go on and on. Fact is whatever the case, some restriction is given.
Now before you go swearing off anyone with a Venus Saturn exchange in their chart (or stabbing yourself if it’s you with Saturn in the 7th) just consider the alternative. How would you like a partner with no restrictions, hmm? How about he or she runs amok all over the land? Sound any better? I didn’t think so.
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Aquarian Musician Has Talent But Can’t Quite Make First Chair: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
One of my occupations is performing the flute. It seems as if I’m always placed second chair when I feel I can do better. Then, on those rare occasions when I do get to play first, circumstances are such that prevent me from doing my best, and it makes me want to shoot myself in front of the director because now he thinks I’m not a good player.
Other instrumentalists see my worthiness for first chair, but when I actually get the spot, something always goes wrong. For instance, a few months ago I had a beautiful solo as first chair, but that time was extremely stressful for me at my other job (teaching), and I had a nasty cold and a massive abscess in my nose that was spewing mucus and giving me the biggest headache. Needless to say, I messed up because I was in physical pain and found it so hard to focus.
Then, a few weeks ago I was assigned first flute for another gig, but my music didn’t arrive until 2 days before the rehearsal! I had only 48 hours to learn 15 pieces, whereas everyone else in the group got their music on time and had plenty of time to practice. Needless to say, I messed up.
This seems to be a recurrent trend since age 13, where I feel slighted out of first flute position. I’m starting to feel as if this is my destiny… to always be in the second spot, and if I am in the limelight, something’s gonna go wrong. Is there something in my chart that indicates that I’m meant to suck whenever I’m in the limelight? Or is this a 14 year long transit of some sort, astrology’s cruel joke on my performance career?
Or do I really suck, and my chart indicates that I have major ego issues or an unrealistic picture of my abilities? I’m usually not someone who asks for help, but on this topic, I am at the end of the straw! I would greatly appreciate some insight from you. Thanks!
Aquarian
United States
Dear Aquarian,
No you don’t suck but I think your problem is complex and beyond what can be resolved in this format. But I can give you a few tips to which others may relate.
Regardless of its nature, when you have a pattern this well established it’s a safe bet you are going to have to work very hard to change it. It’s as if you have cut a path and you can be sure to fall right into it every time… if a struggle for consciousness is not made. As to the specifics of what is driving all this, I can see a couple components right off the bat.
First you have Venus in Capricorn, which gives an innate feeling of unworthiness as well as both a fear of failure AND success. This is probably subconscious to a degree but you can see it play out in that you make sure one way or the other that you do not hold that top position.
Now you also have Mars in aspect to Neptune, which tends to dissolve the drive when a person does not act consciously. For example, your music did not arrive on schedule, but why not go hunt it down?
If you can focus on and resolve just these two things, you would be well on your way to solving your problem and I can also tell you that that victim position will never, ever, ever work. In other words, your “close but no cigar” pattern is not due an oppressive force outside yourself.
I hope this does not strike you as harsh or critical because it is not meant that way. Personally, I would like to see you in the first chair and I am pretty sure this is the path to take to get there.
Good luck.
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Venus In Leo Square Neptune Lies About Her Hair?
Astrology in real life
I do not lie about my hair! My hair is a shade lighter… all you hairdressers around here know what I mean.
And with Venus in Capricorn, here is a tip from the goat re: aging well:
You must lighten your hair as you get older or you will look like hell… period.
There. I can’t be any plainer.
~~
“P, why did you have to go and get your hair dyed blonde? You know I like your hair dark. Who are you trying to attract besides me?”
“I am not going to look like fool just because you are a fool, okay? I am getting old, I am aging, eventually I am going to flop all over the place and you’re just going to have to stand it. It will just be too bad for you.”
“P, you’re killin’ me. Why do you do this to me, P? Why must you have blonde hair? What have those tofu-eating bastards out there done to you? I want an Italian and I don’t want a blonde Italian.”
“I am sorry (says Libra) but you are screwed (says Mars).”
Aries Woman With Cancer Man Carrying Torch For His Ex Married Lover: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
I’ve been dating my boyfriend for a year now. His last relationship was an affair with a married woman who he was deeply in love with. She moved overseas 2 years ago and it obviously wasn’t going anywhere. I feel that he is still not over it and that he still loves this person, but accepts that it can never be.
For a time he was still emailing her, and I even caught his Christmas email to her when it was open on his computer – and it was the exact same message he sent to me, “Merry Christmas, Beautiful”. At that point we had been dating a few months. He doesn’t know I saw this, and I thought I could get over it because it was fairly new… but I look back at that time period and he was expressing intense feelings for me at the same time.
He also said a few other things such as it still wouldn’t be safe to meet because he’s still so attracted to her, but I doubt that anything would happen now because he is a loyal person and that was ten months ago. But seeing it written even flirtatiously or jokingly displays an element of truth to it. So I now doubt when he says he loves me because I don’t understand how he can love me and still have such strong feelings for his ex, and I’ve confronted him about it – using some obscure examples that don’t give away what I saw. Such as me telling him that I happened to see some old videos of his ex on his itunes- and his reaction was – “I’m not ready to throw them away, they’re good memories!!” – which I did not ask him to do at all.
I used that as an excuse to accuse him of having feelings because of his intense reaction but more based on the emails I’ve seen. He swears he’s moved on and loves me, but I can’t help but feel that he doesn’t love me as deeply he does or did her. I don’t know if I’m lacking understanding and I don’t know if continually trying to talk this through with him makes things worse. But I know that I won’t be happy in a relationship where his true feelings lie elsewhere no matter how caring he is for me currently.
Aries Woman
Untied States
Dear Aries,
I hate to tell you this but I think he is still carrying a torch. Not to say he doesn’t love you. With Venus in Gemini (two loves) conjunct Saturn, I would say this is most likely the case and go on to say if he was with her, he would miss you and vice versa. In other words this guy is not likely to be all that satisfied regardless and there is another wrinkle.
His Venus Saturn conjunction is in aspect to Uranus so he constantly wants free of all this anyway. He wants space so let’s see how he gets it: first, he falls in love with a married woman and now he uses her to maintain space in his relationship with you. Are you getting this? I hope so.
On your end, you have a stellium in Aries so you’re going to like the fight. You naturally rise to the challenge to best this woman, that is. But unfortunately you also have Venus in Capricorn, etc which shows that underlying all this is a deep fear you don’t deserve any better.
I imagine you fear you are not worthy of a man who would love you and only you and this is the part that needs the work. Because as is, you are settling… when in your own words, you state that you will never be happy settling.
Good luck.
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Aquarius Woman “Building Strong Relationshp” With Gemini Man
Dear Elsa,
I was dating my Gemini boyfriend for 10 months when we went on a trip to visit some old friends. While there – my ex contacted me and was texting me when my boyfriend walked up. My first mistake was trying to hide it from him – which only angered and confused him, as we were in the process of building a strong relationship.
Later that night, we were all up at a party hanging out and after consuming way too much alcohol – he slept with a random girl that was at the party. He immediately stumbled and told me and we left the vacation. I dropped him off at his house and he called everyone of my friends the next day to apologize for his actions and to take full responsibility. He also called his sister to inform her that he made a mistake and did this out of anger, insecurity, and drunkenness.
We spent a couple of long months in counseling with the church and finally started to relax again around one another. We have had a few blips along this road – stemming from my insecurities and his guilt – but we love each other and want to get past this dark time in our lives. I tell you all that because we are now engaged. I feel like we are strong and solid, otherwise I wouldn’t have said yes. However, like any human, there is a little doubt in the back of my mind — wondering of the past.
Any advice? I would greatly appreciate it.
Motivated In Love
United States
Dear Motivated,
Yes I have advice. Slow down. Slow way, way, down and I don’t mean this in a way that is condescending. And I don’t mean it as if “she’s going to grow up or out of this… or the relationship is going end sort of way.” I mean it as an astrologer looking at your chart. Slow down in love because this is the speed that is organic to you.
Now I don’t care if you are 25 years old. You have Venus in Capricorn and Saturn tied with Mars and your 7th house and this love thing is serious business to you. Your email reflects this and I think that’s a wholly positive sign – so what I would encourage you to do is get even more on your game via self awareness.
Aquarius Sun aside, be aware that when it comes to love, you are a like a wobbly kneed mountain goat trying to reach the heights. And for a skinny-legged goat to manage this, there is no choice but to move slowly and carefully up the side of the mountain. And when you get to certain points… well you might want to take a rest, plot your moves before taking the next step so you can have a sure foot. This is your game and there is nothing wrong with it.
So that’s my advice. Go forward, absolutely. Don’t dare give into the fear but make your moves only when you real reasonably sure it is safe, understanding that for you what is ‘reasonably safe” is probably ultra-safe and bullet proof for most.
Good luck.
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Integrity Around Love Money and Relationship: Venus In Aspect To Saturn, Venus in Capricorn
Catch up here on the Venus Saturn blogs -> Astrology and Love and Loneliness: Just Wondering Who Is More Prone…
Now my Scorpio ex-husband with Venus in Capricorn did something else of high integrity after our divorce. It’s almost shockingly abnormal until you hear about it at which point you realize it is utterly normal to do the right thing, even if hardly anyone ever does.
When we divorced, I felt very bad about it. I was wracked with guilt and the people around me fed this. He didn’t but the public did. With Neptune on the midheaven I am forever up against the public projections like that and I was just getting crushed so with Venus square Neptune, I just gave him the money… overly so.
Now this is per my nature. I don’t fight over money but about a year after our divorce the veil lifted and I realized the settlement really was unfair so I called him.
“I think the divorce is off. The money.”
“The same thing has occurred to me. How much do you think it’s off?”
“$27,000,” I said.
“Yeah, that sounds about right. I’ll send you a check tomorrow.”
And so he did.
Astrology and Love: Venus Saturn in Relationship And The Three Little Pigs
Venus Saturn blogs start here -> Astrology and Love: Venus Saturn in Relationship = Delay and Deprivation? There Is More To The Story…
I am encouraged on the Venus Saturn topic, thank you.
Saturn is exalted in the Venus-ruled sign, Libra so it does not make sense that a person with Saturn in the Libra-ruled, 7th house is going to go begging for love. The problem is in how love (Venus) is defined (Saturn).
Take the story of the 3 little pigs. So what if you can throw up 40 houses made of straw in the time if takes the Venus Saturn person to build one if all your houses blow away?
And age counts. It’s one thing to live in a flimsy house when you’re 25. It blows away and you build another, but what about when you’re 45, 55 or 65?
People get to a point where they want something solid in their life. And if you have not learned (Saturn) to form a relationship (Venus) that has integrity (Saturn) as you get older, I’ll tell you exactly what happens. You get scared (Saturn). Nobody wants to be alone. As Paul Simon sings, ‘Who’s going to love you when your looks are gone?”
So the Venus Saturn person might spend a lot of years out in the rain, working on their house while everyone else is humping along in their straw huts that are ready to blow. But as with everything “Saturn”, time is on their side. Venus Saturn toils and toils and toils and toils and if they keep it up, eventually someone with an eye for quality happens by and support forms. This is classic Capricorn story and with Pluto going into Capricorn in January stories like this one will come to the front.
Class not trash. This is coming back into vogue, mark my words.
skip to A Venus Saturn Story – Elsa and Ben and Their Mismatched Sexualities
or skip to Venus and Saturn In Aspect and the Reality Of Love… Plus Pisces Imagination and Transcendence
Teen Ponders Different Styles of Love and Relationship: Venus in Scorpio vs Venus in Capricorn
Hi Elsa,
Recently I’ve been having doubts about my way around relationships. It seems I always mistake people for joking when they actually DO like me, and vice versa when someone is just ‘having fun’ with me. I had a crush on someone once and did not let that person know from start to end. But I actually enjoyed that. Is it possible for someone to enjoy from just feeding off imaginations?
I may seem weird but I believe I’m not the only one. I’ve heard about people who simply want the ‘feeling’ of love instead of love itself. Having Venus in Scorpio, I started to wander whether it has something to do with the feeling of being ‘in control’ and a matter of secrecy.
Secrecy tends to be a problem for me as well. I just HATE to let other people know what I’m after or who I’m with. A lot of people are actually surprised that we are together. But the person that I’m with right now seems to enjoy romances which are laid out in public. Is there any definition as to who’s right or wrong in this issue? I just like to be in our own world, that’s all. The person I’m talking about here has a Venus in Capricorn.
Venus in Scorpio
Taiwan
Dear Venus,
Yes it is possible to for someone to enjoy feeding off their imagination. You just did it and your awareness and ability to articulate your experience at 17 years old is impressive!
As for defining what is right or wrong as far as relationship goes, this is an individual matter as you are finding out. I am sure your boy, with his Venus in Capricorn, feels it is right to define your relationship because this is his nature. He may very well feel that having it known that you are his girlfriend would increase his status and there is nothing wrong with that either. A lot of people would be proud their boyfriend is proud for example. If you wonder, just compare to a boy who tells his girlfriend to come through the back door at night so no one sees her…
Now on the flip side, you have Venus mashed up with Pluto, Neptune and Jupiter and you can go just about anywhere with this combo. Fantasy, depth and breath, you can access all of this – so at 17, I would just advise you to continue to try different things in relationship and note how they make you feel.
This is very important because although there is no normal, most of us do want to eventually be loved. And to achieve this, you have to discover who you are as an individual so you can go out in the world in an authentic way which has the consequence of attracting the right partner.
So just keeping doing what you’re doing with this minor adjustment: forget trying to judge what is right and wrong, because it’s a fruitless pursuit. Besides the fact one person cannot judge for another, people and things and attitudes are always changing. They are constantly in motion so see if you can focus less on drawing lines between right and wrong and more on just living… happily.
Good luck.
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