Rhonda writes on the Liars In The Zodiac blog:

“Keeping secrets is a survival mechanism for the id.”

Interesting. I am only partly aware of why I keep so much from the soldier. If I told you my reasons they would be valid but they would also be surface like the tip of the iceberg. I don’t think I am going to have time this lifetime to visit this at any depth but I can tell you this: The things I keep from him are strange and I keep them from him and only him.

Now this is a Venus Neptune thing:- I conceal my tastes from him. I never pick a movie for example. We watch his movies only (80% war and 20% love stories). He would be happy to watch any movie I’d choose but I refuse to choose a movie for what it would reveal.

In contrast, my ex, the AMF and I would watch movies all the time. We’d see two or three a week at least and I would pick virtually every one of them. Go figure.

Continue reading Liars In The Zodiac Redux: What Type Things Do You Conceal Or Keep Secret And Why?

“You think I am afraid of you?” I asked the soldier.

“Yeah, sometimes I think you’re afraid to tell me things. I don’t know why since you can kick my ass.”

“Is that you telling me you are going to lie about me beating you leg wrestling? Are you going to lie about that?”

“Depends on who’s there, I guess.”

I laughed. ‘You have those skinny legs.”

“I know and I’m embarrassed of them. And your legs… well they are something else.”

“Well lie if you must, I was there. And there are things I am afraid to tell you.”

“I know.”

“Why do you think that is?”

“It’s just how you are.”

“Yeah. Yeah it is. I pretty much hide everything I can from you.”

“I know you do.”

“I’m glad you know and I glad it’s not a problem because I am bound to keep doing it.”

“I know, and no it’s not a problem. You just keep being, P.”

Is this lying by omission? How forthcoming are you?

Cassi suggested that calling the soldier a liar was harsh, however it’s the term he uses all the time. Venus in Gemini rules the Sun in Taurus…

“Yeah we were in trouble. We were doing all kinds of things you aren’t supposed to do. (He was off duty but on a base). We were having all kinds of fun right up until we got caught and this guy, he was a (insert rank, I don’t track that thing) asked me in this stern voice, all serious… “Sergeant Soldier, what’s going on here?” Continue reading He Really Does Lie Like A Rug – Lying Is Damned Near His Vocation

Remember those air conditioners we strapped to that trailer last week? And those pins? Well it’s post the holiday now, this is the soldier on the phone:

“Well the last air conditioner is off the trailer and those chains stayed tight the whole time. These guys couldn’t get them off either so I went to take them off and I could barely do it myself. Who put those on so tight? That’s what they asked me.”

“Yeah?”

“Yeah, I told ‘em oh, it was some bastard showing off for his girl.”

I laughed.

“Yeah, she was there so he did this. Dumb ass. And then they complained about the pins being all twisted up. These guys were Jamaicans and they starting bitching about the pins and I told them, oh. The girlfriend did that. That was her with the pins.”

“Oh brother.”

“Yeah, she was showing off for him, he was showing off for her. They were both show offs and now we have to suffer because of them,” he said.

I groaned.

“And they asked me, how did you know they were boyfriend and girlfriend? Oh, well they were making eyes at each other, I said. Yep, that’s how I knew. And she was young and he was old, see. Ahhhhh, they all said like that explained everything. Yep, that’s why these chains are on so tight. They are on tight, aren’t they?”

“You know how to pass the day.”

“Yeah, I do.”

I was telling the soldier a story, he was holding his antenna (psychic) which he does sometimes. He did not seem to be listening to me all that much. I ignored his inattention until it was just totally obvious he was elsewhere.

“What is it?” I asked.

“Nothing,” he said, red-faced.

“Liar. Why are you lying to me?” I asked.

“I’m not lying to you,” he said, lying.

“You are lying through your teeth. Don’t you know your whole face swirls around when you lie.” Continue reading Music, Neptune, Psychic Ability and Etheral Connection

The solider and I…

“So what did you find out?” I asked inquiring about his psychic technique.

“Oh, nothing,” he said, obviously lying.

“You’re lying,” I said. “Why are you lying.”

“I’m not lying,” he said like he’s some kind of Special Forces soldier.

“Lying through your teeth. I know what you’re doing. When caught lying, continue lying.”

He laughed.

“So you’re lying.”

“Not lying to you, P.”

“You eyebrow moves, do you know that? I play cards.”

He instantly controls his eyebrow.

“It’s not the only tell,” I said. “Think I would give up my information?”

He stared.

“Look, man. Your whole face changes shape. You may as well have your nose grow like Pinocchio! You don’t want to tell me, keep it to yourself but I wouldn’t bother lying.”

“Okay, I’ll try to do that,” he said. “Keep it to myself.”

“Well, okay.”

1 minute later he spills it.

Can you tell when someone is lying to you? How?

Piya asks re: Liars Who Tell You The Truth:

“Like, what sort of “lies” are these? I mean … are they like, saying something and then modifying it to mean something different later?”

Yes. It sounds like this:

“Yeah, sorry about that. I didn’t want to tell you at the time because of this and this and this reason…”
Or, “Yeah, sorry Mom. I know I shouldn’t lie but I thought you might be mad if you found out so I just told you this instead. Do you forgive me?”

And the fact is I do forgive her (and him) and some other truth-telling liars in my life. Because I know as a matter of fact that lying is part of the package and lecturing or trying to control the natural nature of someone is a ridiculous pursuit. I also know there is a shadow side to constant, consistent, relentless truth-telling.

See, I grew up with both of these. One of my sisters is a double Sagittarius. The other has a Sagittarius Moon conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius but she also has Venus in Gemini and that sister would consistently lie then confess, lie then tell the truth, lie than tell the truth and then lie and confess. “I have to tell you I was lying when I said that,” she’d say. Hah!

Meanwhile my other sister would never lie. You got the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth until you wanted to hide under the bed to escape it! So fact is there is no perfect way to be so intention becomes key.

Are you well intentioned?

(Ha ha, that’s a joke ya’ll).

I’ve been thinking about the truth-telling liars I know. I attract them and no, it’s not because I am one. Remember that debate? It was grand. Does Like Attracts Like? Or Is There Another Explanation?

So yeah. I’m not a truth telling liar but I am (and always have been) closely associated with people who are and I have a theory as to why. They’re interesting!

As for current, both my daughter and the soldier routinely lie and tell the truth. They both have Gemini and can readily lie for any number of reasons or even for no reason at all other than to keep things interesting.

But they both have Jupiter in Sagittarius and in the end, the truth comes out and not because they’re found out. The truth comes out because they just can’t lie.

And understanding their natures, I cut them a lot of slack but last night I thought I should wonder why. Because there have been times I’ve ejected people from my life for this exact behavior and you know what they say. If someone can do it, they can do it you.

I can do it so realizing this; I thought I better figure out just exactly how much this pisses me off. You know. Could I be mad as hell… a Mars in Libra powder keg ready to blow?

I thought this possible but once focused I was able to see what distinguished current situations from the situations I’ve reacted strongly to in the past. Basically it comes down to motive. Why is this person lying? Is it manipulative? Is it something sinister or the reason more benign?

In the case of the soldier and my daughter, their lies are sort of funny. Although they are technically lies, I see them more as placeholders for the truth… ::snort:: …which will be along shortly.

And I will come back on this (it is a Saturn in Virgo topic) but meantime, do you know any truth-telling liars?

I stopped asking questions I knew the soldier would not want to answer but I did confront the lying.

“Well, but then you started lying so who knows,” I said. It was an ambush.

“Lying? What do you mean I started lying?” he said. “I don’t lie to you. What are you talking about, lying?’

“You started lying to me about a week ago. Like a rug. Lie upon lie. Lie after lie.”

He was incredulous. “What are you talking about, P? I don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t lie to you.” Continue reading Mercury in Aries vs Mercury in Libra: He’s Lying To Me – Part Four, Er….

I was on the phone with a friend some days ago. We were talking about the soldier.

“I don’t know what he’s doing,” I said. “But he started lying to me as of yesterday. I’m not very happy.”

She was surprised.

“Yeah, well he’s lying for sure. He’s… he’s on a mission now. And you know. He’s not going to talk if it’s going to jeopardize the mission.” Continue reading Mercury in Aries vs Mercury in Libra: He’s Lying To Me