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I think most people feel there are lines around another person’s lies. Others think, a liar is a liar. This is another Mercury opposite Neptune question and I don’t think this is that easy a thing to define.
The person who believes the liar will not lie in certain circumstances may be lying to themselves. The person who says, once a liar, always a liar is probably lying to themselves as well, most likely by pretending that they, themselves have never told a lie.
Continue reading If A Person Will Lie About One Thing, Will They Lie About Anything?
“Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others”
It’s my opinion that given the right situation and provocation a person of any sign can lie. That doesn’t mean they will. I’m not entirely convinced that because one has told a lie that they are now a capital L liar. Suppose that you were in a situation where telling the truth would cause someone’s death and telling a lie would spare them. This takes the morality of a lie into an entirely different sphere than the simplistic.
Continue reading The Astrology Of Lying
Saturn is squaring Venus in Gemini right now and this anecdote illustrates the energy brilliantly. The soldier has Venus in Gemini so I am the Saturn in Virgo figure of course. He was telling me about this guy he knew who used to lie all the time. The was guy was just a total liar, he loved to lie and in fact they would have lying contests. “I’ll tell you some of his lies,” the soldier offered.
Continue reading Discerning Lies
Astrology in real life
There were a lot interesting comments regarding people giving or getting misinformation, being lied to or lied about on the Does Your Information Have Integrity piece. When I wrote that, I was thinking about Neptune and the concept of poison in the well. It’s mostly water but the water is poison! Have you ever seen what one drop of colored paint can do to a gallon of white? Take my case.
Had someone not tagged me as a drunk before I walked into this first meeting, it would have probably been assumed I was sober. After all, I present okay. I wouldn’t have had a beer in my hand and I don’t have a big red nose. My hands don’t shake and in short, not only do I not look as though I need a drink, I probably look as if I am on my way to or from a gym.
Continue reading Misinformation… Poison In The Well: Saturn In Virgo Opposing Pisces
The stellium in Gemini square Uranus, dominates and people are talk, talk, talking.
Lie, lie, lying too most likely, I think it’s kind of funny.
Day like today, one shoe fits most.
If you get through the day without a lie crossing your lips, I’d say you can consider yourself extraordinary.
I’ve always thought of myself as a very honest person. My opinion is always the honest one, and I’m not one to mince words to spare the feelings of others. Someone’s going to tell them the truth eventually anyway so it might as well be me! So then why is it that I compulsively lie to my significant other in times of uncertainty or defensiveness??
He really caught me off guard with something this afternoon, and I immediately made the situation so much worse by lying about it. Eventually I got around to telling the truth, but the damage is done. And this is not the first time I’ve lied in such a knee-jerk fashion… I just wish I could get a grip!
This is a really good question and one that astrology can handle succinctly. Your chart does show a primarily honest person, bold and blunt as you describe. But Mercury rules communication and yours is in aspect to Neptune which gives the ability to obscure things (lie) at times, so there you go. But you are not doomed. Aware of this propensity / ability you need only find an alternative way to express this energy and you should be home free.
Now Mercury is innately tricky and Neptune rules illusion and nuance so check out one of the ways Meryl Streep’s uses her Mercury / Neptune combo:
I saw Streep interviewed years ago and she was talking about the movie, Kramer vs Kramer for which she won an Oscar. The movie is about a couple divorcing – There is a child involved and Streep stated that she makes up (Neptune) some fact (Mercury) about every character she plays. Something that is not in the script that only she knows about the character. She feels this gives her performance something extra and I agree.
So in the beginning of this movie Streep is in an elevator waiting to go down having words with Dustin Hoffman who she is about to divorce. And she stated that during the scene she was thinking the thing she had made up for this role which was the fact, the woman never loved the man. Big difference, huh?
So Hoffman is saying his lines and she is saying hers but guess what? She never loved him in the first place and no one knows this but her. Can you see how this is the same energy? I hope you can but if you learn to use your ability in this type way, not only will you not be hurting yourself, your life will be enhanced.
This shocked me:
“But we thought it would make sense to go out on the street and ask people, one by one, the same question: if you filled out an online dating profile, what would you lie about? You might want to ask yourself the same question before you click “play.”…”
Check out the comments, I feel spectacularly naive. I have been on these sites and didn’t lie which is something considering I have Venus square Neptune, known to deceive! However, there is some difference between lying and not mentioning, right?
If you filled out an online dating profile, what would you lie about? Where is your Venus… how about your hunting Mars?
I am with a guy (now my husband) who is addicted to porn. His ex-wife warned me of this in the beginning of our relationship but my husband told me he just looked at porn because he didn’t love her and wasn’t attracted to her – but that he wouldn’t do that to me.
Well about a year into our relationship, I caught him looking at it. He always swore to me that he wasn’t doing it but he actually was. I was so emotionally torn up! After a lot of crying and talking we tried to move past it. We got married and then 6 months later, I found out he was still looking at it and lying to me. I can not trust him at all.
Sometimes he is really sensitive about it and other times he tries to blame me for it. We are now pregnant and it is about a year later since I found out for the second time. He says AGAIN that he is not doing it and that would mean he had to have stopped cold turkey a year ago. We are Christians. I believe this is a big sin and so does he. He says he wants to change but I don’t trust that he will ever tell me the truth. I think he is still looking at it and it is ruining my self esteem.
I don’t want to bring our daughter into this kind of a marriage but I don’t know what to do. Do I leave? How do I ever trust him again? I am just so hurt and feel so betrayed and I don’t know what to do.
I don’t blame you for not trusting your husband because he has been lying and with a stellium in Sagittarius, the truth and your spiritual beliefs are very important to you. You sound very clearheaded about who you are, how you feel and what kind of parent you want to be – so let that sink in. It will help lead you to a decision.
Though “addiction” may be overstating the situation, it is clear your husband is repeating a pattern that existed before you came into his life. This shows that without a doubt his porn use has nothing to do with you or your desirability although we know he likes to place blame. Let that sink in as well.
Now you know I can’t make this call for you but with all your Sagittarius you have an innate eye on the future and I think you can see what is coming if no change is made. Unfortunately your husband is the one who has got to change and this is not likely at least in the near term when his main way of addressing this is to lie, deny and make counter allegations.
That’s a pretty solid position by the way. It’s a very strong defense and I do not think you will be able to defeat it without some kind of intervention. A therapist for example or maybe someone from your church. And considering you have a baby on the way I surely wouldn’t break up your family without taking this step. And I know there are people who would say that your husband has the right to look at all the porn he wants and this is true. But you have rights as well. You have the right to be in a relationship that supports your self esteem and you have the right to raise your daughter in an environment you think is appropriate and you definitely have the right to a husband who does not lie to you.
I would also add, the fact he told you he didn’t love his ex-wife and this is why he used porn plays here. Since he still uses porn, you must wonder how he feels about you and this probably exacerbates your bad feelings. If you go back up and read what he said to you… every time he looks at porn he is sending you a subconscious message that he does not love you and is not attracted to you. I am not sure this is actually the case so just be aware what is being triggered here.
Ask the collective
Rhonda writes on the Liars In The Zodiac blog:
“Keeping secrets is a survival mechanism for the id.”
Interesting. I am only partly aware of why I keep so much from the soldier. If I told you my reasons they would be valid but they would also be surface like the tip of the iceberg. I don’t think I am going to have time this lifetime to visit this at any depth but I can tell you this: The things I keep from him are strange and I keep them from him and only him.
Now this is a Venus Neptune thing:- I conceal my tastes from him. I never pick a movie for example. We watch his movies only (80% war and 20% love stories). He would be happy to watch any movie I’d choose but I refuse to choose a movie for what it would reveal.
In contrast, my ex, the AMF and I would watch movies all the time. We’d see two or three a week at least and I would pick virtually every one of them. Go figure.
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