I spoke with my friend, Ben last night. We met 28 years ago, the last time Saturn hit Scorpio. I failed to marry my husband 28 years ago when Saturn was in Libra and corrected that error this time. Now I wonder how the Saturn return of Ben and I might play out.
Ben and I met at a low point in both our lives. I had been obliterated at the end of Saturn’s transit through Libra and my life was essentially a shell. Don’t get me wrong. I was a grinning person, with lots of jokes. I did not feel bad about myself but I truly had no one at all. My family had been wiped out, my relationships, my friendships, my job, everything was gone. I told Ben last night, I was not depressed at that time. I just had no idea what to do or even exactly what I had done wrong. To this day, I am confused about that time in my life…confused about most of my life. He agreed I was dark back then.
Conversations with Ben…
I wrote this in 2006. My views have changed since, but I still think this is an interesting topic. The picture is from when, Ben and I met, right when Saturn entered Scorpio, 28 years ago.
“Someone in Wichita told me I had an old soul” he said. “And I suppose I do. I imagine I’ve wandering around these halls for awhile.”
Astrology in Real Life
This is from 2007. I was talking to my friend, Ben, about my now husband…
Ben and I have tracked each other for 25 years. We keep each other filled in as to what we’re up to, the turns we make in our lives and so forth. We were talking about the soldier, and the various ways my association with him has been impacting and influencing me. I have a 7th house Uranus. So does Ben. It indicates a strong attraction to the unusual.
Astrology in Real Life…
From 2006 – Pedro is a pseudonym.
Ben is a life long friend of mine. 25 years or so. He a Scorpio, and a bi-racial, gay, cello player and teacher. He’s plays with various symphony orchestras and has been the musical director of a school district for more than twenty years. We’re on the phone here.
“Oh, Elsa. I have this one kid. He is such a mess. He’s a terrible mess and his mother doesn’t help. She always saying, wait’ll you get married and have kids, Pedro,” he clucked. “Pedro isn’t going to do that. Pedro is gay!”
Continue reading Conversations With Ben – A Public Service Announcement: Gay Youth
Virgo Avenger started a thread on the board asking who would bail you out of jail – a friend or a family member. I feel either would bail me out and this reminded me of something, Ben told me when we talked a few days ago.
He said he had given a couple he knows a fairly large amount of money. He doesn’t have a lot of money so basically he gave this couple what he did have and told them if they could not find the rest of what they needed, they should come back and he would try to help them more. I assumed he meant, they should come back after payday and he told me this tentatively.
Catch up here – On Being an Individual
From 2007… Ben he wasn’t done talking…
“And I teach my students this,” he said. “I let it be known. Don’t come to my class copying someone unless you want to be called on it. Because I will call you on it and I don’t care if you’re embarrassed. Elsa, I don’t care. These kids have to learn this or they will never amount to anything.”
“So how do you call them on it?” I asked.
“Oh! Well I just do it straight away. For example… well there is a girl I have in one my classes, she’s interesting. She’s a unique person and she works hard to develop herself. She’s a good kid and she tries hard all the time. This is middle school I teach, as you know. It’s the hardest age. Its puberty these kids are in. But anyway this girl is interesting and she’s always out in front a little bit and she struggles.”
Astrology in Real Life…
3 years ago on the Elsa blog…
Ben is a Scorpio with Aquarius rising. He has Uranus conjunct his descendant, exacerbating (enhancing) his Aquarian qualities. He’s got this to say:
“I know why they copy me.”
“Well they admire me, of course. But the thing they admire about me is that I am an individual. So rather than absorb this and go out and be an individual themselves, they go out and try to be me!” He laughed. “How can they be that stupid? Seriously. How can a person be stupid enough to think you can be an individual by copying someone else?”
4 Years Ago On The Elsa Blog: Learning To Be Comfortable In Your Un-Comfort Zone: Conversations With Ben
Astrology In Real Life…
Some years ago I was dating a lot of men. There was a huge stream of them but I was unable to connect, over and over and over and over and my friend, Ben and I were analyzing the situation.
If you’re a heterosexual woman it’s very good to talk to a gay man about men because nobody understands men better than homosexual man. This is just a fact. They know a zillion men, they are a man and they sleep with men. How are you going to top that?
My mother came up on the boards. It made me think of this strange occurrence, I wrote about in 2006. For newcomers, “Ben” is a lifelong friend of mine.
Ben and I met at work. The unusual friendship was growing and we had begun to pal around together outside of work. This was about 25 years ago.
Astrology in real life
I spoke with, Ben last night for 3 1/2 hours per our habit. We routinely go a month or two without talking but when we do talk it is depth. I called him to run my recent psych-minded thoughts by him.
I told him about the pledge of allegiance and the gay bath house connection and in the process realized I had done similar intense probing with the soldier. I have quizzed the hell out of him around some of his missions and in fact detailed this to an extent when I wrote about The Thing On The Other Side Of The World That Changed Our Lives.
Continue reading Conversations With Ben Under The Scorpio Moon
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