There are parts of the personality which a person will tend to ignore, project or simply be unaware of. Planets in the 12th house give reliable information as do planets in the 7th.

Planets touched by Neptune or placed in Libra give clues.

Anyone else got ideas about this?

After  thinking about the people I know and how I tap them for opinions I started to wonder what roll(s) I might play for others. I have a feeling if I asked I would be surprised. Because when I told my inner circle,  “I call you for blah blah blah”, they were completely surprised at how I see them.

Scott had no idea I see him as the ultimate compassionate person. He’s not going to write anyone off, ever! “There’s always hope, Elsie.” This is what he says all the time about everyone, every time so when I get in a situation where something falls off the page of everyone I know, I can call Scott and voila! There is still hope!

Continue reading 3 Years Ago On The Elsa Blog: What Function Do You Play In Other People’s Lives?

Lynn writes regarding my idea that all problems are resolved through the 12th house:

“I know from personal experience that when I pass to the 12th house without the full gut- wrenching turn of the wheel I know that someone or something will remind me that I may have thrown away the key to that karmic chapter in my life but the window is still open!

How do you know when it’s over? That it’s due for the 12th house or whether it’s one more go round the block?”

Lynn – Hi (I think you are new) and thanks for this. That’s a great question but the part about the window still being open is something that occurred to me that I had left out.

For example the fact you accept a relationship is gone does not mean it does not, will not, cannot come back into being!  There (probably) really is no end.  The relationship may come back in this life or in the next or the next after that.  The possibilities are endless and this is the 12^th house defined. Faith! Don’t worry, the universe has your back!

 ”How do you know when it’s over?”

In my case, I find out something is over when it comes to me on the wind. That’s what I call things that just flow in. I have no idea where it comes from but in my case the release is never gut-wrenching because I am in the 11^th house before I hit the 12^th. I am detached, that is. In preparation.

Can anyone add to this?

pictured: Neptune’s Steeds, Walter Crane, 1892

Dear Moon,

I don’t think the problem is in your chart, it is in hers. You are dealing with someone who is significantly paranoid which is not the fault of the Moon in Pisces. I don’t know what this woman’s problem is but the fact you are feeling the problem is caused by you reflects your own problem and the proclivity to this is very apparent in your chart.

With your Sun in the twelfth house, part of a stellium there it’s a challenge to know where you start and others begin. Virgo Moon is often very self-critical and the fact yours is opposed by Saturn does not help. I would guess this girl has her Pisces Moon on top Saturn in your chart and this leaves you feeling you must be making some kind of error but I am pretty sure (we’ll see by the comments) that it is clear (to others) that this girl has a problem that is completely independent of you.

I am sorry this is probably not much help as it does sound as if you love this girl very much but if she is not willing to discover what is driving her intensely jealous and paranoid feelings then I am afraid you are simply going to be up a creek.

Good luck.

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Meet Jodie Perkins. She wants to go to jail to kick her cigarette addiction. How Neptune is that? She’s got to be a Pisces or a 12th house Sun.

Funny thing, I did the same thing. Hearing of a 30 day inpatient program for smokers (back when I smoked) I called my insurance and begged them to pay to lock me up for 30 days…

Jail Me So I Can Quit Smoking, Says Iowa Woman
‘I Would Do Anything in the World to Quit,’ She Tells ABC News

CHRIS FRANCESCANI writes:

“An Iowa woman who smokes two packs of cigarettes a day became so frustrated with her addiction that she called the sheriff’s department last week and asked officers to jail her for several days – just to help her kick the nasty habit…

Unfortunately, the jail won’t take her. Read the rest here: abc news

Dear Cancer,

Aries and Cancer is a tough match, though I would not say it is, “doomed to failure”. What is doomed to fail is any relationship where the people involved live thousands of miles apart! In fact, I would say there is no actual relationship until and unless the two people spend time together in person. I mean, it’s fine to meet online but then what? Who is going to move?

If no one is going to move and put the thing together, then how is it going to come together? It’s not. And how likely are you to move when you are already feeling frustrated? You’re not likely at all.

I think this relationship has served you because with a 7th house Moon, you want to be partnered. But with your Moon in Aquarius, you don’t want to be too close!

You also have a stellium in Cancer in the 12th house and the relationship allows you to live in a state of ‘divine discontent” – but will anything ever come of it? I would say no. I imagine one day it will disappear like a cloud and I’d apologize for that but I am not at all sure this would be bad news.

Good luck.
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Dear Trapped,

I don’t think you’re a commitment-phobe as I understand the term. I think what you have is “buyer’s remorse“. And further, I think it has little to do with your husband.

I say this because the way you describe your feelings fits your chart, which tells me you are going to feel this way anywhere you go. You have significant Libra in your chart so you are going to want to be partnered. But you’ve got a second stellium in Virgo, an unmarried woman – and there is the disconnect.

As for the trapped feeling, it’s not uncommon for a person with their Sun (and more) in the 12th house to feel as if they are in prison. So based on this, I would say your circumstance and your lousy feelings about them are going to be hard-wired until and unless you really work to explore other options.

In other words, let’s say you leave your husband for this woman. You could easily do that. You have Aquarius who likes to experiment. But the relationship will either fail, leaving you disillusioned (12th house) or alternately it will not fail and you will hook up with her. But if you do that, odds are you’ll be writing me in another 8 months to say you’re trapped again (12th house), but this time with a woman.

Now if leave your husband, and the relationship with the woman fails, then your Libra will kick back in and you’ll be out looking for another partner… and you get the idea.

Your discontent is internal. If you want to feel better you are going to have to evolve, rather than just keep plugging new people into the same slot, hoping for a new result.

Good luck.

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Dear Married,

I understand you don’t want to be married to a liar and an addict, however you are. And I understand you want to trust your husband, however, you can’t. And though I understand why you don’t want to sleep with him, this strategy will be completely ineffectual in changing his behavior.

Your chart shows a person who is very optimistic… someone who wants to “believe”. And obviously this is what is getting you in trouble. Because, take that cocaine. People who don’t use cocaine don’t pick up bags of the stuff from the gutter and put in their pocket and take it home! Think about it. There is a half-used pack of cigarettes on the sidewalk and I don’t smoke. What are the chances I am going to pick them up and bring them into my house?? There is no chance at all. I am going to think they look like disgusting trash.

So fact is, you are married to a person who is just like your parents and your ex-boyfriend. Sorry! And since you have had exposure and experience with this kind of thing, perhaps you know how infrequently people like this clean up their act. And you know it’s something only they can solve and the best thing you can do for them is get out of their way. Let them hit bottom, that is.

Now if you don’t know this, you should educate yourself, the sooner the better. Because obviously hooking up with impaired people is your pattern and your pathology. So that’s what I would do. Head for the nearest Al-Anon meeting (the principles are effective for all addictions) or to a therapist’s office and start to work on yourself. Because all the work you do on him will be for naught.

Good luck.

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Dear Married,

It may help you get your feet on the ground and be less confused if you remember this is only going to go where you want it to go. Do you want to have an affair? If you do, it sounds like one is on offer. I don’t condone that, and here’s the astrology… I think it might help you out.

You have no major transits at this time so I doubt your marriage is going to crack up and blah, blah, blah. I don’t think this guy is going to change your life. But you do have Venus in Pisces in the 12th house, square Neptune and here’s what I think is happening.

I bet this guy has planets in aspect to your Venus Neptune which is notoriously permeable, seducible and prone to fantasy. In other words, this thing is lying there in your chart, waiting to happen and this guy comes along and WHOOSH! The thing comes out to live.

But here’s the key. It’s your energy. He may be triggering you, but it is your energy and you can do whatever you want with it. For example you can feed this thing. You can dream this guy up into some kind of Prince Charming who can screw like ten men, or you can just as easy, fantasize around your husband and go home and screw him like ten women.

I like the second idea. No one gets hurt, but even more importantly, you discover this fabulous talent of yours rather than projecting it on to the guy.

Good luck.

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So how about another story? This one concerns my sister who is a Pisces (Neptune) with a Capricorn (Saturn) rising.

She also has Saturn in the 12th (Neptune’s house) and Neptune in the 10th (Saturn’s house). I told you it ran in the family!

Anyway, my sister is psychic. Think what you will. I grew up with her and I am damned sure of this. And one night I was talking to her on the phone.

This was quite awhile ago and I was pretty disturbed at the time. This was back in 1992 when all the planets were lined up in Capricorn. These were the outer planets… much different than the line up now forming in Scorpio.

And if you have Capricorn I am sure you can relate. All bets were off! Capricorn lives were going off like the 4th of July. And in whatever case, my sister could see the future quite readily and I was in the habit of calling her…

Briiiiiinnnnnng! Briiiiiiinnnnnnng!

“What’s next on deck?” I asked.

“Flowers,” she said.

“Oh fuck me, with the flowers. I don’t want any flowers and I’m not getting any flowers. Did you hear me?”

I had just been through some flower trauma. Some bastard had sent me like fifty dozen roses. Actually, he didn’t send them. He brought them. And I didn’t want them. And I didn’t want him. So how could she say something like this after I just had this fiasco? I didn’t want to see another flower for twenty years at least. If ever!

“Look. No flowers! I’m not getting flowers. As you know I’m not dating anyone. And I’ve got no one on the hook. I am man-less.”

“Well, that won’t last.”

“It’s lasting pretty good so far,” I said.

“A week? Fuck you, Elsa.” She yelled to her husband. “Hey! Elsa’s having a dry spell! She hasn’t had a man on her hook in a week!” She laughed and I listened to her laugh. Back on the phone with me… “Like I said. You’re getting flowers.”

“Look again. That can’t be. And it’s been more than a week. Look better. There are no flowers. There is no man. No man means no flowers. I don’t give a shit about that anyway.”

“Okay. I’ll look. But I see the flowers. It’s been more than a week? What? Eight days? Has it been eight days since you had a date? What is it with you and flowers anyway?”

“I don’t know. I’m not interested in them.”

“I believe you. I’m not interested in them either. And I never get them. But you get them all the time. I wonder why that is? Because you definitely get them all the time whether you want them or not, and now you’re getting some more.”

“Are you sure?”

I asked because what I really wanted to hear was that I was getting a man. And if I’m getting flowers, which apparently I am…

“Yeah. I see them They’re right there. More flowers for the condo.” She laughed.

She knew I’d my whole place full of those roses. This guy put roses everywhere. He put them in the blender for godsakes. My blender was stuffed with them. The bathroom trashcan too! It was stuffed with roses as if it were a vase! Believe me, there roses everywhere. He’d come in my condo and arranged them while I was out of town. I decided to cop to being me.

“Well if you see flowers, then maybe I am getting a man. I’m hopin’.”

“Maybe.”

“Am I? Can you see the man?”

“No. Maybe you should wait a week. Do you think you can do that?”

“Well if I have to then I guess I will.”

“Well I can’t see him, so you may have to. But the flowers are coming.”

“Great. Flowers, but no man. See ya.”

“Bye.”

*click

The next day I met the Aquarian in the hot tub at the gym. He was an older African guy who had befriended me. I was in a new state, see. And I’d landed pretty hard.

Anyway, he was pal. And we were in the habit of meeting in the hot tub after my work out. He was lazy and rarely worked out, but I did. And anyway it was a regular day. We had our regular chat, but then when it was time to go, he asked me to meet him at his bike.

“I want to show you something,” he said

The Aquarian had this major motorcycle. He was damned proud of it too. It was aqua colored if you can imagine that. And he’d park it illegally at the front door of the gym so the he could see it from the hot tub. He loved that bike and I was standing next to it after hitting the locker room, when he walked outside.

“Have you ever seen a finer machine, Elsa?”

“No, not really. It’s a beauty. You sure I can’t drive it?”

“I can’t do it, Elsa. No one has ever ridden her but me, myself and I.”

I nodded. “I know, I know. Just checking.”

Keys in his hand, he unlocked the saddlebag on the back of his bike, lifted the lid and pulled out a huge…

Spring!

Bouquet!

I just laughed. He said he saw them and thought of me. Bursting with energy and so forth.

And I blushed and thanked him of course, but really all I could do is think of my sister. And do you know what I thought?

“Damn her, she just did it again.”

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pictured – Bouquet of Flowers in a Sculpted Vase, Jan Frans Eliaerts (b. 1761, Deurne, d. 1848, Antwerpen) Oil on canvas, 90 x 71 cm, Koninklijk Museum voor Schone Kunsten, Antwerp