How Do You Handle The Grand Cross In Your Chart?

grand crossDear Elsa,

Everything I read about a grand cross in a charts is doom and gloom. I’d love to hear from someone who consciously lives with a grand cross pattern.

What type of cross to do they live with? Fixed? Mutable? Cardinal? And what does that feel like in their lives–how do they handle the “tension”?


Investigator, I don’t have a grand cross in my chart so fall outside your control group. Hopefully some people will show up… thanks!

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  1. I haven’t been around for a spell but I’m back today. . .

    Yeah, I have this in angular houses. It’s fixed and involves Sun, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter. I don’t know if it’s all doom and gloom because this is all I have ever known. I do find that many aspects of my life conflict with other aspects of my life. Like, I need to honor my Sun in the 10th, but I have this major responsibility of Saturn in the 4th that “conflicts” with this energy. So I am learning to combine the two all the time. Working from home, using my children as my muse for more tenth house outer work.

    Moon in the seventh wants a partner, Aqua Sun doesn’t care about that. Neither does Jupiter in the first. Jupiter wants to gogoGO. Saturn 4th wants to stay put.

    Mostly this is experienced as inner conflict. I simultaneously have very different needs and it’s rare that I can quench them all at once. Yet.

    I once read a description of a Grand Cross that likened it one of those cowboys in an old western who is being drug along by a team of horses. He gets drug along by these horses until he musters the strength to pull himself up to standing with one foot on each horse. Then he has the reigns and his feet are planted and off he rides, guiding the team of horses.

    I can relate to that feeling.

    The person that comes to mind who has one was that astronaut Lisa Somebody who psycho stalked her lover’s wife while *wearing a diaper*. I mean, that’s the intensity of energy that we are dealing with.

    (I haven’t ever done *that*.)

    I hear once you integrate all those oppositions and squares that a Grand Cross can be quite the force. It would be great to hear from anyone else. . .

  2. I commented on this but I think it got trashed to the great beyond. Gotta run now though. Maybe it will be retrieved.

    I don’t know why that happens to me.
    Mercury related?

  3. I work with people with grand crosses all the time… I think because my sister has one so I am intimately familiar. Validation helps a lot. Getting the person very very familiar with all the points in the cross also helps. Knowledge is power! Beyond that, specific awareness of things in the life that do come easy also lends support.

  4. Yeah, I also think to utilize the GC well, you have to look to the planet involved that is the easiest to express or is well aspected beyond the Grand Cross. In my case, Jupiter in the first. It trines or sextiles every other planet in my chart. So as long as I stay Jupiter I usually flow with minimized conflict. If I stop being outwardly Jupiter, everything starts to spiral down.

    Fun, huh? 😉

  5. OMG!! What am image…! I had a picture of someone being drawn and quartered by the competing needs. Clearly unpleasant. But I don’t live with a GC, so I can only imagine its effects.

    How does an astrologer counsel someone with this configuration? I mean, clearly, one has to integrate or balance the drives, but how?

  6. My best friend had her baby boy this morning, and I immediately did his chart and saw a grand cross w/ Pluto, Moon, Mercury, and Uranus. I never have had any friends or family with this in their chart, so I am interested in learning about it. As a matter of fact, I’m trying to make more time to read up more on astrology, hopefully someday I can be as knowledgeable as you all!

  7. I have a fixed grand cross if you include Chiron. After living with my chart for a long time, I don’t get that feeling of “oh this grand cross is such a big deal, or so horrible to live with.” I am used to it, and I think this challenging energy leads to great motivation to be actively evolving through life. I have seen a few people with nothing but grand trines being quite encapsulated in their own world and/or never making much effort because they don’t need to.

    I have heard it said that Sun opp Saturn (part of my grand cross) is very harsh in the early life, but then it lets up in the second part. This has been true for me. Also, don’t forget that you have a progressed chart, and that transits & progressions will form grand cross in other peoples charts. Not being familiar, they may have a harder time dealing with it.

  8. This chart I’m looking at today has GC points at the nodes. I can imagine the possibility of greater “where have you been and where are you going?” tension within the person.

  9. I hope more people post their experiences! My son has a fixed grand cross (Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Neptune) and damn, that fixed Mars-Jupiter opposition produces a feisty will. But I’m glad to hear experiences so I can help him deal with it.

    I’m in a relationship that has a composite with a mutable grand cross. What Elsa said about becoming very familiar with all the points really resonates with me. I am learning how to deal as I (we) go and trying to do that. It also is seeming important to realize that you’re going to get hit hard by transits at pretty regularly spaced intervals and get used to rolling with it, sort of like those floating hydraulic foundations in earthquake country. Would love to hear more from everyone!

  10. I have a grand cross in fixed signs with a 10th house Aquarian Sun, a 4th house Uranus in Leo, a twelfth house Mars in Taurus and a sixth house Neptune in Scorpio.

    Pretty much when one thing hits one of these planets, the energy zings around the chart and stirs up everything, For instance, I’ll have a “do it or your ass is grass” report to do for work, day job customers screaming at me on the phone, my children calling me on the cell phone with some sort of dysfunction and the school calling me about some problem that needs attention now. I’ve gotten very good at having a plan A, B and C in the works to handle all the crisis but gawd I get tired. With a Pisces moon, I tire emotionally pretty quickly, and there is a certain point where I have to shut out everybody just to regain my balance. Some weekends I just spend it in bed catching up on some rest.

    I have no idea what it is like not to live like this, but I do know I am a bit jealous of my sister, who only has a T-Square, no children and a husband who supports her financially. How do you get a gig like that!

  11. I have a fixed T square…the missing leg is my Taurus Ascendant (no planet). So not quite a Grand Cross. However knowing each point, as suggested, is very important. My T square is made up of:
    Saturn (10th H) serious, hard-working, too formal.
    Moon (4th) private, relaxed at home, a place to be silly.
    Mixing them up can help: Fellow workers are like family. Or work from home. Be more light-hearted at work. Then to add the planet that squares them both: Neptune (7th H) idealise partners, intuitive, occult interests, addiction risks.
    The Moon Square Neptune can do some pretty deluded, drunken escapades in company, in which Saturn is terribly ashamed of later, regret, remorse, guilt, self-blame. So I now, with advancing years, try not to let Moon/Neptune do anything that Saturn will be ashamed of, or that will interfere with work.
    Transits to any of these points are excruciatingly tense!

  12. I was just looking at my chart, and while I’m not too familiar with the T-squares,Grand Crosses, Grand Trines and such, it appears to me that I have like 3 or 4 T-squares. Is that possible?

  13. I can see yours is in a cadent houses but what are the involved signs?

    What Loonsoon says about Saturn holds true for me as well… I totally relate to the cowboy image LOL!

    Regardless of modes I feel the cross keeps us super busy, it’s like having four kids each with unique needs & expressions.

    My fixed cross in succedent (fixed) houses never ceases to surprise me with the variety of ways it manifests. I also have 2 grand trines which offers me openings with trines & sextiles to some points of the square. That helps enormously. (Look if a P. makes soft aspects to any 2 points of your G square).

    Cardinal crosses do get a huge amount of projects done and are almost never idle: they are highly motivated. That would be the major difference compared with a fixed cross who can be :) supreme procrastinators until up against the wall or UNLESS that cross is in cardinal houses in which case they are just as motivated then the cardinal/angular peeps, but perhaps more efficient on how to go about it and also about risk evaluation and which pieces come first.

  14. well, some people say i have a grand cross, and some don’t. i have mercury, saturn, and uranus in a tight t square between the 9th & 11th degrees fixed of taurus, leo, and scorpio. my moon is sitting at 19 degrees aquarius, which is a very loose orb for a grand cross, but some people would interpret it as one simply because it’s the moon.

    but i can give my impressions….
    i have been told i’m of a much roe nervous disposition than a lot of people (well, there’s mercury and urnaus in there, both in aspect to my virgo ascenndant, all famous for nervyness…)

    every single element in the cross is in easy aspect to either the sun, venus, or the ascendant, so i have means of expresses and letting out the tension… it’s taken some time to start figuring out effective ways to do so, and i still get tripped up on it, particularly the difficulty in communication from time to time.

    but i find the my most important communication tends to get handled in situations that echo my cross, particularly during mercury squares… as if i’m more comfortable dealing with difficult communication and painful topics because i’ve been forced to?

    it’s also made me less concerned about squares in general.. they tend to require more self control (at least, mine do, but maybe that’s because saturn’s a primary figure in mine) and they train me in how to hold my grip in the midst of powerful experiences.

    it’s a useful skill, to be able to hold the line…

  15. I have a cardinal one..

    between my 3rd 6th 9th and 12th

    chiron, mercury, neptune and mars

    I don’t know if its much different than anybody else, I can only speak for myself.

    I have south node conjunct my un and black moon in the fifth too , which all 3 trin my ascendat and black moon is sextile w pluto.. so it kind of adds to the whole thing

    but, my south node in in my 5th with my sun just make me so frustrated with the cross that I just delve into my creativity side, I run into the same crap over n over whenever I do what so naturally comes to me, when I tand out or throw it all to the wind and let all of myself be seen by everyone.. I attract so much attention, but along w it come bad attention, but u wouldn’t believe how alive I feel with things like this.

    I don’t mean to sound like a massochist but I feel my life is much more meaninful and full of passion than other peoples.

    I have to talk about everything w my grand cross.. theres always tension and I never really know what to do.. my north node is in pisces so this ‘suffering’ that ur supposed to feel with a cross isn’t quite bad..


    I don’t think I would have it any other way.

  16. I have one.. Aquarius Sun opposed Leo Moon, Scorpio in Jupiter opposed to Saturn in Taurus. I have an awesome life. Attending Tibetan Buddhist grad school learning Tantric meditation.. Am an illustrator & writer.. Do Tai Chi, Qui-gong, Jui-jitsu & stick & knife fighting.. Live on a house boat.. BUT things can really suck if you don’t clear your space & assert yourself calmly. Before that was going out with a gambling addict stripper in a shit-hole apartment with a slight case of alcoholism. That’s how it is with this configuration. Don’t dwell on negativity AT ALL and touch the stars…….

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