Double Virgo Moves Country, Wonders If She Should Go Home: Saturn Transit Through Virgo
Dear Elsa,
I left my home country two years ago to study in the States, and since then I have had a very difficult time coming to terms with my realization of how things really were back home. My mother is a very controlling and sometimes verbally abusive woman. My dad, although a nice man, is emotionally distant and my brothers haven’t bothered to talk to me since I moved here. The moment I stopped making effort to keep in touch, they disappeared.
So, here I am in the States all alone, with friends but not ones that are deep, intense or intimate. I was in a casual relationship this past year with a man here in the states who I loved very deeply, but who didn’t want to be with me exclusively. After going to therapy this past summer for depression, I started to stand up for myself, create healthy boundaries, and get angry for the first time in my life. After this change in me started happening, most of my friends back home just disappeared.
I feel very lonely and craving deeply to have a home to call my own. So should I stay here in the States hoping to eventually build a family of my own, or go back home?
Double Virgo
Macedonia
Dear Virgo,
I don’t think running home is going to solve this. Your chart reeks of everything you just described. For example, the disappearing partners? You have Neptune (erase) on your descendant (relationships) – so wherever you go, you are going to find this scenario constellating and only consciousness will help.
Same on the family issues. If you go home you are depressed around family. If you stay in your new land, you are depressed with no family but help is on the way.
However the help that is coming is Saturn’s transit through Virgo and Saturn is not some kind of light fare thing. Virgo will be called upon to grow up and define themselves and this goes for all Virgos not just you.
But specific to you, all your Virgo (and your natal Saturn) is concentrated in and around the 4th house / Moon which represents your family and your roots. And you can see how things are things are beginning to become concentrated here and I’ll tell you exactly what you are going to have to do to resolve this:
You are going to have to build (Saturn) your own family (4th house). You will have to be responsible for putting down your roots, wherever you want them and basically mapping out your piece of ground and I will use my friend, Denis as an example because he’s a good one.
Denis came to the US from Cameroon and he has been here 15 years or so. He is well established in this country but maintains connections with his home country both here and there.
He stays in contact, and is currently opening a business in Cameroon. Closer to home (this home) he is part of a network, a support group of sorts for transplanted Cameroonians who have relocated to this city. He has also formed relationships with people who have nothing to do with Cameroon… however he feeds them his home food!
I’m sure you get the picture. This is the answer. You can go home but if you do, you still need to map out and stake your territory and one more tip:
Personally, this is a 5 year odyssey you are heading into, so please adjust your watch to “very slow progress”.
Good luck!
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Struggling With The Loss Of His Mother and His Aunt: Aries Sun, Venus in the 8th House
Hi Elsa,
My mother and my aunt passed away last year, and I am having difficulty accepting this as well as dealing with life in general. I get rather down, depressed, and feel hopeless.
I want some kind of connection with them and to know how they are doing (I guess that seems rather odd). Also, I was not there when either one passed and I feel so terrible about that. I guess I need to know that they know this.
I am not expecting miracles, but what is the best way to approach this and get myself better in the process?
Thanks,
Mourning
United States
Dear Mourning,
What an excellent question. I am very sorry for your loss and first need to tell you I have no ability connect with someone who has passed and transfer information. So I can’t tell you what your mother or your aunt may or may not know but I still think I may be able to help.
Having encountered more than my share of death in this life, I’ve been forced to develop some kind of philosophy about this because my natural reaction to loss was very similar to what you are experiencing. I just could not parse the deaths in my life and resolve them in a way that could bring me lasting peace. And part of the reason was that like in your case, the deaths came one after another, my feelings cascaded and I could not keep up.
But eventually I did find a way of seeing things that brought me a calm understanding around death that has held for about 15 years – so I’ll share it with you in the hope it helps.
You say you want some kind of connection with these women and with Venus (love/female) in the 8th (death/inheritance), the fact is that their energy flows very naturally to you. People with planets in the 8th house inherit the energy of the dead and carry their legacy whether they are aware of not. And since this is exactly what you’re seeking, this seems a fairly easy thing to resolve. Their energy is with you and I only need make you aware of this.
See when someone dies, that’s their body. There goes their body; they can no longer use it, but what about their energy? Their energy is still with us. And if you wonder if this is true, just think of a writer. The writer is dead, but their book is with us and anytime someone reads that book, they access the dead person’s energy. Their energy is right there, in their hands. So how can you say this person is gone? Their body is gone, their energy is here.
But what if the person did not write a book? No problem. They did something.
In this case, your mother had a baby: you. You are her energy. She made you just like that writer made that book. So how can she be gone when you’re still here? You are wearing her face, don’t you know this? Go look in the mirror and see your mother.
Further, I happen to know that you write. And don’t your mother’s words come through you at times? Don’t you use her phrasing or rephrase her ideas at times? If so, how can you say she’s not here? She is coming through you all the time. You express her energy… constantly. People who knew your mother look at you and see your mother so how can you say she is gone?
My grandfather (Henry) haunts this blog. When he died, I nearly died. But Henry has gone nowhere. Oh, his body is gone but he lives through me. I would not be me had he not been my grandfather, and I am here impacting people everyday – empowered by Henry who is dead. I am Henry’s legacy. And when I die, Henry will still live through my children and through the people who have read here and been moved by what I have to say which originated in Henry… and the person before Henry and the person before him (or her).
So this is my advice:come to see the truth. You are your mother and your aunt. You are an amalgamation of them and others and none of these people can ever leave you or you them, and mad?? You think they may be mad because you were not there when they died?
How do you know you weren’t there when they died? You may very well have been the last thing that crossed their minds. You’re the man with Venus in the 8th. You may have kissed them both sweetly right before they died. The physical body is joke. We are dealing with souls here.
I say, go live. You are what your mother has left behind to carry her energy and her message forward. You can honor the dead by living the best life you can on the on the energy they’ve bequeathed you. How can you love your lost ones and do anything less?
Much love and good luck.
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Ex Husband From Hell: Pluto Transit to T-Square Involving the Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Mars
Dear Elsa,
I feel that I am up against a brick wall when it comes to shared parenting of my two kids with my ex-husband. He wants to be pulling all the strings, while having control over me and my affairs with the girls, and constantly telling me I must do things his way, “in the best interest of the girls”.
No amount of advice from solicitors, or suggestions of communication and remedial help for “us” as a “parenting relationship” will open his mind to realize he can’t have everything his way.
I really feel I am at my wit’s end. Everything falls upon his deaf ears and I am trying hard not to let it show to him. I don’t want it to be a tug of war.
Can you see any slackening to the entrapment and constriction I feel? Even any rise above ashes, so to speak?
With thanks,
Wit’s End
Australia
Dear Wits,
Yes and no. You’re going to get out of this but you have two years to go. Pluto is transiting your T-Square which involves your Sun, Moon, Ascendant and Mars – and I can’t think of anything more hard core than that! So what you need is a new strategy and I can offer one.
You’re in a power struggle with your ex and it’s one you’re not going to win. At least not now and definitely not the way you’re going about this. And please don’t take that as criticism because it’s not meant that way. You sound very sane to me. You sound reasonable. But the way your chart is set up and considering the Pluto transit, I just don’t think you’re going to get anywhere fighting him – as your experience has proven. Instead you will have to do something much harder. I’ll tell you what will work and you’re going to hate this. But you may as well give it a try. Because you’re at your wits end, remember?
You’re going to have to go super yin. You are going to have to let this fire consume you. Change your stance to “Bring it on!” And I don’t mean, bring it on, because you’re going to fight it. I mean, bring it on because you can take it. You can take everything he can deliver and then some. He can pound you into the ground in any of the stupid little ways he knows and you will still be here! He will not kill you. You will not be destroyed.
But I’m not kidding. You must stop being aggressive in any way. Pull your horns in… all the way in. Lay low. Be still. Work with your emotion. Handle it. Let it burn inside and survive it.
And don’t misunderstand. This is not some kind of flippy trick. You are headed into what will no doubt be the most painful transition of your life. But this is unavoidable. And you are not going to be able to rise from any ashes until and unless you are ashes. And you’re not ashes if you’re still fighting, are you?
Let go. Let him try to burn you down. Let him try to destroy you and I promise you’ll find out he’s powerless and you’re not. He cannot kill the mother but no one will find this out until you let him try. I am very sorry. Super yin. Remember that.
Take care and good luck.
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pictured – Pluto, Agostino Carracci, 1557
Widowed After Forty Years And In Love With Her Friend: Pluto Transit to Sagittarius Sun
Dear Elsa,
My husband passed away last year at the age of 53. We had been together since we were 14 years old. Now I have fallen in love with my good friend who is married.
He and his wife are both friends of mine. He is a cross country truck driver so I don’t get to see him very often. He calls me every few weeks to see if I’m ok. I am not a cheater and don’t believe in this.
He told me that he loves me but will not act on his feelings unless something were to happen to his wife.
I don’t want anything to happen to her, but I also don’t want to be with anyone else. I feel like I am lost and know it is wrong. What is your advice to me?
Widow
United States
Dear Widow,
I cannot imagine how you could be anything but lost after losing your partner of forty years. Having met him as a teenager there is no way you could have any experience being independent, so it very easy to understand why you would look to fill this void.
It is also easy to understand how and why you would look for a man among your inner circle. I can see why you would want to be with someone who already knows and cares about you, because you are used to a profound level of intimacy. The idea of going out there to meet someone “new” is probably nearly unthinkable.
However, attaching to your friend (and your friend’s husband) is not going to work. It’s not going to work, because it’s not okay with you and it’s not going to work because it’s not okay with him and I am sure his wife would also vote thumbs down! And considering these things, I think this is pretty definitive.
Now I know this is overwhelming. I can’t even begin to imagine what it must be like to be tossed into the sea after 40 years of security, however this has happened and this is where you are. And if you take a step back, I think you’ll see that you’ve been relying on this friend of yours as a means of support as you transition.
And I think you should keep doing that, actually. He’s your friend. But he’s not your man. And if you have to write that 100 times and hang it on the refrigerator, then do it. Do whatever it takes. But please try to release the idea you can be with him, because you can’t. And don’t think I don’t understand how cutting that is. See, you can’t be with him and you can’t be your husband, either. And this is the real pain. And it’s going to take some time to heal.
Pluto has just crossed your Sun in Sagittarius, which is a “once in every 240 years” event. And you have just lost the man you’ve spent your entire life with and it’s simply going to take some time and some tears to process your loss and figure out what you want to do with the rest of your life. But asked for advice, so here it is:
Take it very slow. Take it very easy. But try to reach out in whatever way you can think of. Like you did when you wrote me. Find some message boards where there are women in circumstances like yours, so you can have a place to share your feelings. And off your topic intentionally, I want to tell you how this works.
I have a friend who joined a message board. There were a bunch of women in it and they got pregnant, sort of all at once. They went on to support each other through their pregnancies and now those babies are in 3rd and 4th grade. Get it? The women bonded and friendships formed. This is what you need. And it’s out there.
One more thing. Don’t forget you managed a relationship for 40 years. This means you are very good at it and I bet you anything you will find another partner in time.
Much love and good luck.
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She’s Pregnant, He’s Off Somewhere: Sagittarius Rising
Dear Elsa,
I am 4 months pregnant and very stressed out. I had been dating a man for 8 months and we always talked about kids. He wanted children just as bad as I did. We were trying for so many months to conceive and had no luck. Our relationship had gotten so bad and disrespectful, I decided to move out and back into my apartment. Well as luck would have it, I found out a week later I was pregnant.
When I told him the news, of course I didn’t get the big hooray I wanted but instead received a quiet response. After many conversations with him, he repeatedly told me he didn’t want me to have an abortion and he wanted me to keep it. Our relationship is still bad. I hardly see him but once a week and maybe speak with him twice a week. He still tells me he loves me and we are still sexual.
I know he is speaking with other women and he has no interest in moving in or marrying me. What do I do? My stress level is at ten now.
Pregnant With No Support
Dear Pregnant,
It’s really hard to understand this before the doctor hands you your first child and you go home with a human being to take care of, but the fact is you are a mother now. And mothers, at least most of us, take care of our kids. And it brings us great joy, satisfaction and self esteem regardless of what the father (or anyone else in the world) does. So I just want you to know there is a way to feel better, and that is by focusing on your baby.
Now I am very sorry this guy is not showing up for you and if it were me, and he was out looking for another woman, I would not be sharing my body with him. Instead, I would focus on taking care of myself (and my baby) in every way I could think of. Eat right. Exercise. Get a nursery together. Make calls about how to chase this guy for child support, if this is going to be necessary. Get it? Start planning to be a single parent. Because it’s looking like this is how it’s going to play.
Now it’s possible if you focus like this, he may see you taking this serious and change his behavior – but if not, I wouldn’t worry too much. Because it sounds like he was not making you happy anyway. And I know this is exceedingly difficult to comprehend and come to accept, but maybe it’s okay if he falls away… leaving you to raise your baby with a man who is more devoted to you.
And I know you are scared, but you are going to have a baby which you apparently wanted very much. And you’re in your thirties, so I think you can handle this. Just try to shift your focus from this man to the child you’re carrying and I think you will begin to feel better within days. Keep your focus on your child and I bet you’re grinning within a month. And the astrology?
You have Jupiter transiting your 12th house. When it hits your ascendant (your body) you will be hugely pregnant and your baby will be born. S/he will have Jupiter is Sagittarius which is a great fortune and be very lucky for you.
Much love and good luck.
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Virgo Woman is 5 Months Pregnant and Wants To Leave Her Man
Dear Elsa,
I am 5 months pregnant. As soon as I found out I was pregnant, it was like my entire thought pattern was altered. My husband is a tremendously selfish person, and in the back of my mind I always knew that but I suppose now that I am older I CAN REALLY SEE THAT.
We have been together since I was 17. All he cares about is himself. He takes my money, drives my car all around town, and has only maintained a job for the last year of our relationship. For the first 3 years of our relationship, I cheated on him with who ever I felt like and told him about it. It hurt him but he still wanted to be with me, probably because I always took such good care of his material needs and he did nothing.
Now he is never home, and when he is all he does is play video games, or sleep, or plan how he is going to get out of the house. This is extremely upsetting to me because after 7 years and 2 miscarriages within the first 6-10 weeks of pregnancy, I am finally going to have this child and he’s not around.
I suppose he was never really around and I just didn’t care; but now I care, and I see everything in our relationship truly for what it is, not what I’ve always wanted it to be. My needs are not being met and he doesn’t really seem to have an interest in meeting them. I am very vocal about what I want and need and his response is “I will try”, and there is never any real effort.
The problem is that even though we have been to hell and back in our relationship we are still together, so that should count for a lot right? But I am not happy and don’t believe I have ever been although I am deeply attached to him. Should I stay and hope that this will change? Or should I go through all the pain of heartbreak and believe in a better way of life for me and my soon to be child?
Please advise.
Pregnant, Confused, and Disappointed
Dear Pregnant,
I read your situation the same way you do. It seems you’ve hit a tipping point and in my experience once that happens, there is no going back. You may think about going back, especially if you’re a Virgo and this is what you do, but in fact there is no going back. Back to what? I’m sorry but there is nothing to back to, is there?
So yes, I think you can and should and will move on. Have your real baby and let this overgrown baby learn to take care of himself. And I don’t think you need to know anything else. It seems you have the resources to go this alone. You are one who provides all the support so you don’t need to rely on him for anything. I mean, this is what he’s providing now, right? Nothing. So why be heartbroken, huh? I’d skip that step completely!
Just keep doing what you’re doing. Let the reality of your situation crystallize in your mind and I’m sure you’ll find the ways and means to make the break. And will you regret it?
I seriously doubt it.
Good luck.
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Her Father Died, She Changed Her Life: Jupiter Transit Through Sagittarius
Hello Elsa,
This year my father died, and after this I changed my view of life. I quit my job that made me unhappy. I started to tell people what I REALLY THINK. I started to tell people that I love them.
I am afraid this view will change and I will start acting as I did before. I mean that I will have fear and worry for everyone again. I will tell people what they like to hear, not what I really think. I will live some other life…
Anyway, my question is: will this change be permanent, or will it pass and send me from being Cinderella back to my old self again.
Thank you,
Cinderella
Dear Cinderella,
Congratulations on your transformation! I would not worry too much about any significant backsliding because our lives are moving forward all the time, even when it seems otherwise. And once a person breaks out like this, they are not too likely to go back to living in a repressed manner because come on. Why would they?
Gays who come out of the closet virtually never go back in. And you can think of this in these terms. You are out of the closet. You have revealed yourself to be a woman with an opinion who appears to have had a heart opening… and once a heart opens, it rarely closes. Why would it? Why not live a joyful life?
But since you’re worried about this, how about you take what you did when you wrote me a step further? What if you write down all your gains and what they mean to you? And while you’re at it, write down your hopes for the future. Jupiter is in Sagittarius now and moving forward is favored. Keep your eye on the horizon; I think you’re going to be fine.
Good luck.
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Her Husband Cheated With His Niece. Now What? Fixed Grand Cross
Dear Elsa,
My husband cheated on me with his niece. I was very hurt and sought counseling. I have passed through several stages of denial, acceptance, grieving and finally moved on.
Because of the children we are still communicating, but his mistress forbids him to see his children and my children are too young to understand. My children ask for their dad but when he spends time with them he has to lie to her. He is so into his mistress at this point that when my daughter got sick at school while I was at work and asked him to pick her up, he said he would, but he didn’t. Then when I called him back, he had turned off his phone.
He is so afraid of his mistress breaking off with him, he is willing to give me full custody of the kids. How am I going to explain to my kids that their dad doesn’t want to spend time with them and that he is going to the US to leave them permanently in Philippines? He has stood them up several times and I don’t know how to stop them from getting hurt.
Mother
Dear Mother,
Your children are being abandoned by their father and there is no way you are going to be able to prevent them from being hurt. All you can do is be the best mother you can and there are limits to that. You have no control whatsoever over his behavior and it seems he will soon be off in another world anyway.
At this point, your job is to pick up the pieces and to do that you are going to have to let the pieces drop. You will have to stop holding up the illusion of “Daddy” when there is no daddy. And I don’t know how old your kids are, but I would say you start by telling them the age-appropriate truth.
See, they can’t have him because he’s not interested in them. They cannot rely on him and you are going have to let them find this out, while simultaneously letting them know that they can rely on you.
I would say, the sooner he is out of the picture the better… and advise you to work on releasing him and all expectations of him while concentrating instead on how your family is going to function without him. And accept that pain is part of life – even for children = and all you can do is try to not be the one who inflicts it.
Much love and good luck.
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Constantly Seeking Praise and Reassurance: Saturn Transit, Pluto In Leo
Dear Elsa,
I have always felt whatever I do is “not good enough” and I look for reassurance constantly. Through persistence, hard work and conscientiousness, I have had a successful career and relationships – and from the outside, I seem to have things reasonably together.
What follows sounds trivial and I cite it as merely the latest example of a pattern. A while back I started a blog. From the outset I found it a real creative outlet, made online friendships, and I have seen my writing skills improve considerably. However, I constantly compare myself to other bloggers (they are more talented than I am, get more comments, are more confident and popular) to the point where it is blighting my enjoyment of writing and blogging. The current sense of depression and inadequacy about my seemingly average writing is so strong.
I put up a post recently that got no comments at all and felt like sticking my head in the oven! I exaggerate but you get my drift.
Any advice, Elsa? I come from a childhood where praise and recognition seemed in short supply, but I don’t want to be defeated by this. I hate feeling so threatened by others’ abilities and success – these are people that I like. How can I separate out what I do from who I am? And take pleasure in doing something for the sake of it and not feel diminished if it isn’t praised to the hilt?
On the scale of the planet’s problems this is very trivial I know, but this trait of judging myself unfavorably has dogged me my whole life. I’m fed up with it and embarrassed that I still have such an adolescent hang-up.
Thanks,
Planets In Leo
Dear Planets,
This is an enormously interesting question because you describe the pathology of your entire generation. You the baby boomers all have Pluto in Leo and consequently a powerful need for attention and to be recognized as special. Leo is the perennial shiny child and if you look around, you can see this all over the place – the face lifts alone!
Baby boomers aren’t coping with aging all that well. Everyone wants to be the one who managed to hit 60 years old with nary a wrinkle. How’s that for special? So know this: You are not alone.
And your timing to be asking this kind of thing is sublime. Because Saturn is transiting Leo now, pressuring you to “grow up” and face reality – which is exactly what your question addresses. Saturn transits always ask you to define something and Leo represents the creative self. So this is where relief lies. By defining what is singular and creative about you.
For example, no one could have written that post up there but you. It came out of your psyche, your soul, and your fingers. So considering that, it doesn’t matter what another person may have written today. This is your product.
And it doesn’t matter if it’s popular either. Because here’s the revelation: Popular does not equal special! MySpace is popular, but is it special? The popular girl in high school is popular and may think she is special, but is she? Generally not! She’s the one who blends in!
So here’s the path to satisfaction. Dig down deep (Pluto) to excavate what is authentically special (Leo) about you and then work (Saturn) to manifest it in the world. And I’ve given you a hint.
With all your Virgo and Gemini, I think you are a writer. And you have perfectly articulated the question an entire generation is asking right now, so what’s that tell you? Could you be a voice for your generation? Yes.
Does this mean you are Hemingway? No. But it could be your niche and I promise you if you find that… if you find the shoe you were meant to wear, you will be satisfied beyond your wildest dreams and that is what is special.
Good luck.
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Isolated Single Mother – Will This Ever End? Aquarius Sun, Scorpio Moon
Dear Elsa,
I am the single mother of a 16 month old beautiful boy. He’s all I could have ever hoped for and more; however, I’m totally isolated. I’ve lost contact with all my friends and my love life is non existent. I used to go out a lot and was never without any number of men to date. Until now I had no desire for my old life, but lately I’ve been missing the friendships and an old boyfriend whom I haven’t spoken to in almost four years. He was the love of my life and since then I have not met anyone who I feel slightly attracted to.
Will this loneliness ever end or is this it for me, a single mother for life?
Single Mother
Dear Single Mother,
No, of course it’s not going to last. And the separation from friends when you have your first baby is so common, it may be universal. Having a baby is all consuming and when the baby is born, you’re so busy and tired and obsessed with your child it makes it very difficult to relate to your old single, child-free friends.
And it’s easy to see why! They’re going out. You’re wondering when you’re going to be able to sleep through the night. They’re playing around. Your baby is vomiting and you’re scared to death, overwhelmed and not sure you’re equipped to take care of this little human being.
And if you stand back and look at this, you can see that friends who can make this kind of transition with you would be so exceedingly rare, they may not exist. So I hope this gives you some perspective. The old you died to give birth to this baby, but now it’s time for you to resurrect yourself. It’s time for you to rise from the ashes and can you do this? Of course you can!! You have a Scorpio Moon!
So on the guy… call him up if you can. I mean, I don’t know the situation. If he’s married or something, then forget about it. But if you think he’s out there floating around and he’s someone you could connect with, reach out because you’ve got to start somewhere. You’re an Aquarian with Venus in Sagittarius and you know how to be friend with old lovers. And if that won’t work, take another tack. But you do need to get out there in some form.
As for meeting people, if you’ve been isolated it can sometime be daunting but you can start online. Look for message boards. Hang out on the Elsa blog! Because you have energy and if you put it out there, eventually you will be spotted. What you say will resonate with someone and this is how relationships begin.
As for dating, you need to do that too. Do you have a baby-sitter? You need one. If you are loathe to leave your baby alone… well, as new parents we all go through that. You’ve just got to sit through dinner with your heart pounding in your chest the first few times, but it gets better, I promise. Just get out of the house. And be ready to offer your phone number to anyone you might meet who seems appealing. You get the idea. Wake up and venture out. It’s time.
Good luck.
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