She’s Had a Falling Out With Her Best Friend: Leo Sun, Venus in Virgo
Dear Elsa,
My best friend isn’t my best friend anymore. Last spring while I was living with her, I got involved with a guy. She didn’t like the situation for some reason and when I protested her assessment, she pulled away from me. The guy and I have since moved in together and are planning for the long-term.
To complicate things, she also began having a long-distance relationship which broke up her marriage with her husband. She’s also had some health problems, trouble getting pregnant, as well as setbacks in her job.
The upshot is that although I am inclined to say this is more about her problems than mine, she will not speak to me or even tell me where she has moved to. She doesn’t act like my open, loving, encouraging friend anymore.
Is there any way I can reach her? Should I try to wait out the life-change and expect her to wash up on shore sometime, or just accept that she’s moved on and let it go?
Ex Best Friend
Dear Ex,
I am sorry to say it sounds as if a pretty severe chasm has formed between you and your friend. And I am not sure if you can salvage the relationship or if she will flow back to you at some point but I do think you should take some steps to get yourself clean in this. And I chose the word “clean” deliberately, because you have Venus (relationships) in Virgo and you will never feel right leaving the things mussed up and askew. So here’s a plan. Take a lesson from my Virgo editor, HQ:
Like you, HQ really values his relationships. And he’s lost a few friends along the way, a couple to sudden, unexpected suicide and this has led him to develop a philosophy around friendship.
These days he gives everything he has to his relationships and he considers himself to be a very good friend. However, if someone doesn’t want him for a friend, he accepts this and he copes with the loss by knowing that he did the best he could.
Not the superficial best. Not the pointing-fingers-at-the-other-person, best, but his authentic best. And if he’s done this – if he’s given his all – then he can move on peacefully knowing there was nothing more he could have done.
So in your situation, never mind your friend’s pathology. I would suggest you dig deep and make one final statement. You know. Communicate!! Let her know exactly how you feel and what she means to you, leaving out any comment about what you think her flaws may be. When you get it right, send it to her and then let it go.
She’ll either be back or she won’t and with time it will make sense. For example, if you do wind up with a best friend void, eventually the universe will fill it. And wait’ll you get a load of what the new gal brings!
Good luck.
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Her Best Friend Found Out Her Lover is Married, Now Their Long Term Friendship Is On The Rocks
Dear Elsa,
I’ve been friends with a young lady for approximate eleven or twelve years; she’s a Taurus. Our friendship has grown closer over the years. Recently, she found out that her boyfriend of less than one year is married with a newborn baby. She was devastated and hurt, and as her friend I was there every step of the betrayal. I gave my opinions and helped her try to make sense of the situation.
From the very beginning, my friend stated she could never be the mistress… but after a couple of nights of them talking, she decided to take him back. She never came out and told me that she’d taken him back, but she did tell me that he asked his wife for a divorce. I gave her my opinions of the situation and told her that I could not agree with the situation because of my morals and values of marriage, which I thought we shared. I told her to look at the bigger picture and to think with her head not her emotions.
Well, she is not speaking to me anymore because she feels that I cannot accept her taking him back. She knows I will never judge her because she has to ultimately live with decisions as well as the actions that comes along with that kind of situation. I even apologized to her twice via text message and she has not responded.
Should I give up, or try to save my friendship with a woman I thought was my best friend?
Missing My Friend
United States
Dear Friend,
I think you should try to save the friendship and the best way to do that is to do absolutely nothing. You have a 12 year history here. You are a moral person and a supportive friend and I don’t think there is anyway in the world she is going abandon you in favor him over time. Here is the likely reality of this situation…
Your friend is embarrassed. She’s ashamed. She’s knows she’s been taken by this man, but she’s attached. She wants it to come out okay. She wants to salvage this somehow and blah, blah, blah. Basically she is tumbling. And you are there… or you were there, to help her try to ground. But she can’t do it yet. She just can’t or I am sure she would.
So she’s going to go a little further down this road. But I doubt she goes too far. She likes quality people! We know this, because she’s had you in her life for 12 years! So is she going to forget all that? I don’t think so. I think she is in pain and in chaos. And right now, you can do nothing but make it worse.
Because she already knows what you think. She knows what she thinks too. She just can’t act right now. And having you as a moral compass breathing down her neck (this is probably how it would feel to her) is not helpful. Either is apologizing. Apologizing for what? You did nothing wrong!
I say, just get one more message to her: “I’m here and I love you no matter what.” And that’s it. After that, just wait.
And be prepared to wait awhile because she’s a Taurus and none of them move very quickly. But it’s also because she’s a Taurus that I’m confident she’ll be back. Because Taurus knows quality and this is what they want in their life. And you are quality, while her man is not – so end of story.
Good luck.
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Prying Scorpio Dumped By Her Taurus Friend: Can She Fix This?
Dear Elsa,
I recently got dropped by such a dear friend of mine. She was a Taurus. We really got along, even emotionally; we were sometimes so alike.
We had a fight thanks to me being a prying Scorpio. She said I hurt her feelings one day but she wouldn’t tell me what I’d done, though I asked her lots of times. I even said she was being stubborn about it. Is the result of our ending on my hands? I don’t understand why she would just drop our friendship and me like that? Should I try and get my friend back? Please help.
Sixteen, Hurt & Confused
South Africa
Dear Sixteen,
Friends are very important. I think they’re critical if you want to be happy in this life so I definitely think you should try to get your friend back. And it does sound as if you are primarily responsible for the demise of the relationship, although she obviously has play too. But if you’re smart, you’ll forget about what she did or did not do wrong, and just make up for what you did wrong. Because it’s friendship, see? It’s not a contest you can score. And you said yourself you were at fault. You were a prying Scorpio…
So apparently whatever you did, you hurt your friend in the process. She responded by shutting down. And at that point you might have become more sensitive, but instead you insisted she talk to you, confide in you, etc. In essence, you were asking her to take care of you. Can you see that? Your friend is hurt, you’re the reason and now you’re telling her to trust you… and if you stop and feel this out, you’ll see it misguided. And from there it deteriorated further when you decided to insult her by calling her “stubborn” and whatever else you did. Getting the picture here? If you did this to me, I wouldn’t be talking to you either! But that said, you can probably get your friend back.
Just let her know you understand what you did, and how it made her feel. Tell her you are sorry and you will try to be more sensitive in the future… and then do it! You will probably get your friend back, but even more important you will be a better person yourself. This action will lead you to be a more sensitive in the future, and this would be Scorpio at its best.
Good luck.
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Scorpio Woman Long Time Friends With a Virgo Man Who Is Now Pulling Away
Dear Elsa,
I’m a Scorpio woman, he’s a Virgo man. We have been good friends for about four years; he was a customer in our shop. Unfortunately we closed our shop, but I kept in touch with him. The odd text here and there, and meeting for a cup of tea on the odd occasion. Just having a good chat about life.
Since I’ve known him I’ve been married, and he has had two strong relationships which we hardly talked about. Another friend who came in our shop always said the Virgo had the hots for me. I just passed it off as we are very good friends. He was like the brother I never had, always there to cheer me up when I fell down.
Middle of last year, we started seeing each other a bit more as I wasn’t working. He always went out of his way to make me laugh. We got on really well, till he had a bit of a prang on his motorbike. I told him I would give him a hug when I saw him, as I was really sorry his bike was wrote off but glad he wasn’t hurt.
When I saw him, I did give him this hug and it felt good and right. We have this strong connection and I think he felt it too and has since become a bit distant. We still text but some times he doesn’t reply. I feel I’ve lost this good friend and think the world of him. He also knows I have been having a bit of a rough time in my marriage, just lately. When he does get back to my messages, he will send me just the one to see if I will reply.
I’m a bit lost is this the sort of thing Virgo men do. Or is he frightened of his feelings, because on one text he sent me he said, “yes but you are married”. I really don’t want to lose this guy as my friend. What should I do to keep him?
Many thanks,
Scorpio Woman
England
Dear Scorpio,
I am pretty sure you can keep your friend but only if you’re willing to get back into his comfort zone and stay there. Because it seems you were fine up until two things occurred. Number one, you had trouble in your marriage and number two, you told him about it.
Because the way you tell this story, the two of you did not discuss your intimate, personal lives. He knew you were married, you knew he had serious relationships, and that was it. It was a friendship. But now it seems you’re shifting and he simply does not want to go where you might. Can you accept that?
If you can, you only need to go back to what was working. That is, you’re married and you keep your hands off him. And if you get divorced… well that might be a different story. But this story is the story you’re living at the moment and it seems to me this guy does not want to be in your primary relationship in any way shape or form.
Also, just because you felt a connection, I would not assume he felt the same or even similar. And the guy who told you the Virgo had the hots for you?
In my experience when a man tells a woman that, it is HIM who has the hots for her. And maybe the other guy does too. I don’t know. But you get the idea.
Your friend is not interested in making more of your relationship, at least not now, not under these circumstances. I don’t blame him and in fact, I think he’s smart. You’d be rebounding, you know?
It could be his (subtle) rejection of you is his way of being a good friend.
Good luck.
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Best Friends? The Whole Concept Is Bollocks! Sun and Moon in Sagittarius, Venus In Scorpio
Hey Elsa,
How important is it to have a Best Friend in your life?
I’ve “had” three in my life so far. Second one dumped me on/off like a rock for another girl, simply cause their boyfriends are really close. I tried my best to at least be there for her when she needed it, but of course all in vain. Our ties broke for real cause she accused me of “stealing” her two boys. She knows me long enough to know I DON’T STEAL MY FRIEND’S BOYS (personal rule). My heart was broken cause of her mistrust and hatred to me.
I took the longest time to heal from the mistrust issue. I disbanded the whole “Best Friends” concept – it’s bullocks! It’s a BIG thing/issue and a total taboo in my world.
Then in comes No. 3 – the most unlikely pairing – knew since high school but never close at all then. I put my foot down on labeling the “Best Friend” title to her. I thought long and hard about it. I hate giving a title to someone who will eventually slip away from me. Everyone whom I think are stable in my life always leaves. But… finally I gave her the benefit of the doubt. She was extremely happy.
All was merry until I screwed it up. I had family problems – she got a new beau. I needed her support during my dark, lonely, depression hours and she disused me, even with a straight out request for help. I felt abandoned. My heart closed again and I tried to cut ties with her. She got irritated at my emo-ness. I got angry at her ignorance. Then, we grew apart.
I hated the concept of “Best Friends” again, vowing that the title was OVERRATED and the BIGGEST LIE a con artist create. I take people I meet as acquaintances and only those proven otherwise are dubbed friends under my book. Yes, I overthink things. The thing is, I take friendship very seriously cause I never got many when I was small. I treasure them.
I still crave that “best friend” safety net. Someone whom I can confide to and deeply trust and can be myself without worrying if revealing myself would be a bad idea. I miss my 3rd ex-Best Friend the most. Does she miss it? Doubt. She’s the kind who can make friends whenever she wants. I talked to her about it – we end up arguing. “Past is past” she told me. ‘Cause of this, I can’t even converse with my other classmates properly. I feel like an alien when I’m with them.
We’re starting to be friends again – only cause (to put it bluntly) I agree to do what she wants: basically make her happy. If not, she doesn’t even know I exist. It’s bullocks and unfair!! I’ve always had to work to maintain friendships!! They never put in effort: “I have more friends to spare.” ERGH!!
My question to you is this: What defines “Best Friend”? How can I open my heart again? Should I keep a glint of hope about this or just be merry with others but no Best Friend obligation to anyone ever?
Sincerely,
Mizz Goth Angel
Dear Mizz
You wrote me 3 times. It’s obvious you want my opinion, so here it is:
You are going to have no problem getting, having or keeping a “best friend” as soon as you decide this is what you really want. Right now, it seems you would rather say “Bollocks!” And it’s cute. That’s very cute, as is your rant on the best friends con game and your drama emo-ness. So I figure this is working for you on some level. You like to be besieged! But if you ever change your mind and actually want to form a friendship that functions, you’re going to have to be a lot more sensitive and lot less ready to amputate and paint the whole thing black.
For example, your friend who had the new beau when you were in crisis? Well turns out, people are human. And if you want to keep your friends, sometimes you have to contain your angst when you see they are preoccupied… in this case with their happiness.
Ask yourself this: why should she come to be miserable with you? Why not you go to be happy with her? Why are you abandoned? Wasn’t she abandoned as well? She got a boyfriend and you cut the rope!
You get the idea. You’ve got Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto. You’re got Saturn conjunct your Sun and Moon. As long as you see things through your current lens, I guarantee you that every relationship you have will fail and disappoint you. But you’re a Double Sagittarius! So perspective to the rescue! And here’s a short tale to show you how this works…
One of my close friends goes up every time I go down and vice versa.
“How are you?” she asked me yesterday.
“Great.”
“I figured you probably were. I figured you were doing better because I took a dive…”
This never fails. So think about that.
I don’t expect her to mourn just because I’m hurting. She is empathetic and compassionate but she still goes on her hot date, you know?
And if I were you, I’d dump her for that. I’d call myself, betrayed! But instead, I understand my friends are having lives independent from mine and simply can’t be on call for my black mood, 24 hours a day. And it goes both ways of course. I am allowed to have fun while they suffer as well.
So like I said. If you can learn to do this, you will have no trouble at all coming up with an inner circle (Scorpio)… a stable (Sadge) of loyal friends. And if you want to call one of them “best”, then you right ahead!
Good luck
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She’s In Love With Her Chatty Friend: Capricorn Sun, Gemini Moon, Venus in Capricorn
Dear Elsa,
I have fallen in love with a close friend. From everything he does, it seems to me that he loves me back, or at least reciprocates the feelings in some measure. But most of what he says, seem to show that he is not interested. I am torn apart and don’t know what to believe, and what to say.
On one hand we can talk for 2 hours on the phone, telling each other incidents from our past, our beliefs, our values, our priorities. And in the same phone call he would say that the reason he doesn’t have a girlfriend is that he thinks it requires too much time and effort!
Now I am a very straight forward (though shy) type of person, and not much into all these mind games. It’s driving me crazy. I have indicated to him (through subtle hints…) that I fancy him. I am pretty sure he is intelligent enough to understand them. He doesn’t seem to be the type of person to play with anyone’s heart. And yet he neither takes a step back (like reduce the frequency/time of calls) nor a step forward (like ask me out on a date). This is what I find most maddening.
I have considered telling him about how I feel, but somehow something always happens which makes me change my mind. Its hard to explain. Pleaaaaaase help Elsa, I don’t know what’s going on here. I don’t even know what to ask of you, except the nebulous word ‘help’
Sign me,
Torn Apart
Dear Torn,
I really don’t think he’s playing games with you. I think he is telling you the exact truth about who he is and what he wants. Obviously he likes talking to you and so long as you remain willing, I am sure this will continue. But he is very clear how he feels about a “relationship”.
Not everyone wants to be in a relationship. This is very important to understand. Maintaining a love relationship, that is having a boyfriend / girlfriend takes a tremendous amount of energy and not everyone wants this kind of commitment or responsibility. And this guy sounds like he is one of those people. And I imagine the reason you have not told him how you feel, and that you want more, is because he’s made it very clear he does not, so you are almost sure to be rejected.
Now I am sorry about this, but understanding it liberates you. This guy is not going to be your boyfriend. Not now and probably not ever. So do you want to keep talking to him? If so, carry on. But realize the relationship is limited. Just pretend you are talking to a gay man, for example. This person is not available to you. Do you still want to talk?
Because he wants to talk to you. And I want you to note this, because you have a lot of Capricorn which is ultra-sensitive to rejection. This man is not rejecting you, personally. He is rejecting “boyfriend-hood” in general, which is certainly within his rights to do.
Good luck.
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Deeply Invested In A Lousy Friend? Double Capricorn, Scorpio Moon
Hi Elsa,
I am grappling with a problem with a friend of mine. Actually, she’s more like a younger sister. We have been friends for as long as I can remember, but I’ve felt uncomfortable with our relationship for a long time but have not been able to tell her how I feel. She’s an only child so she has depended on me greatly for advice, support, you know, sisterly stuff. I don’t think I’ve depended on her half as much, but maybe there’s always that imbalance when there’s an age difference….
Anyway, I always have felt that she was rather self-centered and inconsiderate. We’ve also had some great moments, of course. Her mom is an influential force because she often will tell me how beautiful her daughter is, or how great she is and ask me whether or not I wished I was her.
And then recently, I met a guy. Actually I wasn’t sure if I would like him at first, but then I really grew to like him. I introduced him to my friend and we all went out together one night. She became very fond of him. I’m not sure what was going on at that time still, but there were many awkward situations where she was making overtures to get his attention, or she was telling me that we weren’t right for each other… and I got all confused.
Eventually, I really liked him and was a little disappointed that she wasn’t happy for our blooming relationship. She has not had much success with guys, despite being very pretty and witty and intelligent. I grew resentful of her for not supporting me and began to distance myself. Not once has she broached the subject with me.
I’m at odds over what to do. In a way, I’m happier because that tension is gone, and when I do see her, it feels like a more casual relationship than before… more balanced. What do you think?
Friend Morphing
Dear Friend,
You sound like a great friend! Patient, loving and kind and I think this gal has been lucky to have you in her life because she sounds a bit spoiled and self-absorbed which is her problem, entirely.
Now you are primarily Scorpio and Capricorn which means you are loyal, responsible and can take a lot of shit. These are good qualities right up until they do you in, and I think what you really need is permission to let this girl go. So here it is:
It is okay to let this girl go! Some relationships simply fade – plus it sounds like your new man is offering something that is feeding you on a much deeper level. So I would suggest you focus your energy on him and let this girl figure it out. Or not!
I mean it’s very nice that you have acted big sister to her, but by now she’s an adult, yes? So it’s time for her to be a friend, rather than just have a friend. And if she can’t clutch it up, I would just let her slip through my fingers. Because think about it.
You’re happy right now, which doesn’t come all that easy to Scorpio or Capricorn. And you only have so many friend-slots in your life, so why waste one of them on someone who doesn’t cheer you when you finally manage to win?
You really do sound terrific. Let her go… understanding that if she’s got the stuff, she’ll come to you and heal the relationship. Meantime, look for a much better friend. One who is feels happy when you’re happy.
Much love and good luck.
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Astrology-Based Advice: She Has Trouble Making Friends With Other Women – Venus Square Moon
Hi Elsa,
A little over a year ago, my best friend and I “broke up”. It was a long time coming, as we have very different personalities, interests, and values. We met at work but only really hung out together because of a mutual friend. When that woman left for another job, that left me and her.
What I’ve learned from all of this is that I don’t get along very well with other women. I don’t really have any other women friends, just acquaintances that I sometimes go to lunch with. The real problem with all of this came to light when I got married recently. There was no one to shop with me (other than my poor fiancÆ’
Dear Fickle,
Congratulations on defining your problem, plenty of people never manage. You can absolutely learn to relate better to women and with Saturn in aspect to your natal Venus, Moon square, “learn” is the right word. Venus and the Moon relate to women and relationships and your chart shows definite challenges here. To solve them will take some humbling.
With Pluto and Uranus conjunct your Sun in Virgo, you are a very powerful force. It’s not the problem per se. The problem is specific to your ego. It’s huge! With Venus in Leo, your ego is as big as a room and I am afraid you may be a little overboard in believing yourself queen. Because guess what? You are not the only woman who wants to be queen.
If you think about this you can see how you would not have as much trouble with men. It’s because you do not compete with them. They are King to your Queen, so all good! And this is where your answer lies.
If you can learn to humble yourself… to discipline your ego so you can see the Queen in other women, you will be well on your way to forming the long-lasting, supportive relationships with other women you crave.
Good luck.
pictured – Portrait of Queen Victoria, 1859, Franz Winterhalter
Makes Friends Easily But Doesn’t Like Them Much: Cancer Sun, Aries Moon
Dear Elsa,
I’ve always had trouble dealing with what I need to do for myself and what I need to do for myself and others. I am very demanding of people, but somehow I don’t actually know what I want from them. I seem to go for aggressive people because they appear intellectually stimulating, but they end up criticizing me for my other, more emotional, non-judgmental side.
If I try to go for sensitive people, I end up hurting them because of my other aggressive, competitive side. I don’t have trouble attracting people, but wanting to keep them in my life. I think I’ve gone too far in maintaining my standards, but I can’t find a balance. Your opinion would be much appreciated.
Struggles in Relationship
Dear Struggles,
When a person dislikes everyone as a matter of routine, invariably it’s because they dislike themselves. And your case is a particularly stark example.
Obviously you are both aggressive and sensitive and this is not the end of the world. Lots of people are similarly equipped. But you cannot isolate these parts of your personality, or squash one so the other can live.
You will find resolution by living as a whole person rather than living one side of yourself and trying to project the other… have someone else live the part of you. And I understand this, because I am similar to you.
See, sometimes people will tell me I am “sweet”. And I hate that! It makes me want to kick their ass!
Then someone will tell me I am abrasive and I’ll say, “No I’m not! I’m really very sweet…. er… you bastard!”
Sound familiar?
And what’s wrong with this? What’s wrong with being a sweet person who will kick your ass? Nothing!
Look. It’s a big world. There is plenty of room for people like me. There is plenty of room for people like you. So I suggest you find a way to appreciate your own nuance as an individual. To love yourself that is, and if you manage this, you’ll have no problem loving others.
Good luck.
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My Friend Drives Me Crazy! She Can’t Get Over Her Ex-Boyfriend: Pisces With a Stellium in Capricorn
Dear Elsa,
My friend CANNOT get over this guy she went out with for a year. The guy just plainly doesn’t want to be with her anymore. It’s killing her and she doesn’t want him to get away with how he hurt her. She’s frustrated and she’s frustrating me. I told her the only thing I know is to learn to forgive and live with it. Get over it. But she won’t listen. She’s making me insane. I have no idea what to tell her anymore. I just want to say get over it! But she can’t. Please help!
About To Pull My Hair Out
Dear Hair,
You’re sixteen and the sooner you can learn this, the better. You don’t run other people’s lives! You don’t get to decide what they feel, or when their feelings stop or start or change. I am sorry. I know you have a lot of Capricorn in your chart which is a natural parent. I know you feel you know what is best for this girl… and perhaps you do. But it’s irrelevant in the face of this universal truth: The only person you can control is yourself.
So check this: How about I turn my Capricorn on yours, so you can see what it’s like?
You say she is making you insane. You are frustrated with her! Well what if I told you that you were making me insane? You are frustrating me, with your obsessive need to control your friend! ::smiles::
See what I mean? It’s none of my business what you do. If you want to manage your friends, that’s your business. If your friend wants to obsess over her ex-boyfriend, that’s her business. Here’s my advice:
Leave your friend to figure things out on her own. Be around her to the extent you can stand it and if you can’t stand it at all, then get a new friend. But check yourself, when you go to lecture and that kind of thing. Because if you take yourself out of the situation… if you detach, I think you can see what I mean.
Picture two girls, both 16. One of them is whining over her boyfriend. The other standing is over her telling her what she ought to do for the 700th time. Which one is sicker, hmm?
Good luck.
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