My transiting Saturn first conjunct my IC/square my ASC, then takes a comfortable position in my 4th house. I knew resisting is no use so I went with the flow. It’s been an emotional roller coaster, and I’m dreading the retrograde in April/May when it squares my ASC again, but I guess since I’ve faced up to the problem in the ‘first round’, it shouldn’t be too bad in the second round….

You know, this is a little bit off-topic. But until you posted this, I’m going to re-emphasize why (I think) this workshop is very important.

This might be more generational for those in the 33-35 year old set or those with Saturn in Virgo and Chiron in Taurus but right now… I’m dealing with transit Saturn in opposition to my natal Chiron AND transit Chiron in opposition to natal Saturn. The vibrations from these “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” aspects are reiterated with Saturn in Scorpio transit conjuncting the Uranus in Scorpio generation. Restriction when freedom is wanted. But that promise of freedom would be allowed only if you were walking a quickly burning tightrope with 20 lb weights tied to each foot, blindfolded and drunk over a bed of manure. This generation is one that is bound to fall in and have to deal with that crap down there once and for all. And true freedom comes from that. I look forward to this workshop. I need a compass for wading in the poo.

Sometimes I stubbornly hold on to the doily but overall I am making progress. What I’m realizing with my 12th house transit is that some things look deep to me but really aren’t. And other things look surface and really aren’t. I will usually pick what appears to me deep … my preference is for depth… but my ability to discern is where my lesson lies.

I think there are times I wish I could (Pisces Sun and Neptune in 1st) but I know from experience that the Saturn and Pluto in my chart won’t allow it (Saturn/Pluto conjunct natally). There is always something around the bend to shake things up. My chart ruler Jupiter is in Scorpio so my life circumstances often force me to go deep into things. This can be tough for a Pisces Sun who at times would rather just avoid it all together. When I try avoidance, I ALWAYS end up with regrets. I hate the feeling so now that I know this I am consciously trying to face things head on cause what usually happens is if I don’t voluntarily deal then Saturn and/or Pluto will throw the problem I’m avoiding right in my face.

My definition of deep is definitely changing (t.Saturn conjunct natal Uranus).

I am finding myself unable to stomach some details. Details like, gory crime details which I happen to read by accident because THERE ARE NO WARNINGS ANYMORE…has anyone else noticed this?

I actually called a radio station and left a message saying ‘whatever happened to the ‘this story contains details that might disturb young or other listeners’? I have no idea if they aired it.

I am finding with Neptune in Pisces transiting my 3rd I am getting nightmares over some of the stuff I hear.

It’s taken me a good year to accept this as something happening for me right now, esp as my Merc/Chiron sq Saturn 8th usually appreciates the bald truth. I need a toupee here and there. Just to sleep at night.

Today I hit on the thought that perhaps I love going deep with my friends, but prefer the shallow side of the pool when it comes to romantic relationships.

11H Pluto, empty 7H

It took me a long time to realize people do not like to go deep on their own. I have Pluto on its own in Scorpio, which is one kind of dark deep that’s physical to deal with. So while I sorted that out, I relied on my Moon.

But my Moon in the 12th? That is another kind of deep, one with no end. It’s like free diving. The only way to deal with that was by to come back up to the surface glitter.

I don’t know how to tell people this sometimes. Sometimes there just isn’t enough to go around, and there are no doilies either. It’s not something many people in the developed world understand, and thank god.

But when neither exist, you just deal with what you can. So when I see someone trying hard, even though I see the dirt and the broken bits, I leave it alone and give them something else.

I stay on the surface on purpose now. Gem rising with lots of Sag. Sometimes the only thing appropriate to give is a brief respite from their troubles.

‘Do you fight to stay on the surface of things?’

No. I have a 12th House Moon and Pluto in Scorpio. And they are both my two most heavily aspected Planets in my Natal Chart.

Resistance is futile.

I can be deep with thoughts yet I was told I was emotionally immature. I am an airy person and I embrace it. If I am meant to glean from this glean from that be here be that, be gone come back then may it be. I feel like a USB in that I connect from one person to another or transfer info from myself from what I received to another. In matters of the heart I am like a kid/teen but I really couldn’t care less why or what or what not. I guess I will when I have a serious relationship of which I never had. I really am supposed to care but I don’t. My friend who is totally an old soul said you know I am glad your my friend, your pretty childish and a fun friend to be with but your bad at listening.. we laughed and its true. But I think once people like us are aware of our so called flaws then we can better ourselves. But seriously what is the standard? Why can’t we just be? I could never see myself as a serious noob saying serious things for the rest of her life it would bore me to death! Its just not me. However, with religion I get deep by thought, again I have deep thought it doesn’t mean I am deep on every level. I believe Scorpios are deep on an emotional level. My sis and friend are scorpio I learn from them quite a bit. They teach me things I should know. And vice versa

I think it has to do with a lack of self- awareness. Being oblivious to their shadow, so to speak.

This is my sweetie, exactly. Her mechanism is avoidance. Problem is, her emotional closet is so stuffed with junk that she can’t function. A person can’t grasp their future until they let go of the past. It isn’t as easy as it sounds but I did it so I know it’s possible!