Feeling Unlovable: Venus in aspect to Saturn – Venus In Capricorn
As the collective
To a client:
“…You have this deep fear that you suck. If you invest in that, you will wind up rejecting someone, as a preemptive strike. You feel you will be rejected so you beat them to it. Obviously, if you don’t control this tendency, you’re going to reject everyone in an attempt to not be vulnerable. This will lead you to be alone…which is exacerbate your feelings of being unlovable. It’s a vicious cycle and one of the things you will really have to work on, in order to be happy in a relationship. Note this takes place entirely inside you, meaning whoever you partner with, this knee-jerk thing will surface…”
Who can relate? Where is your Venus?
55 Responses to “Feeling Unlovable: Venus in aspect to Saturn – Venus In Capricorn”
Yes, definitely so: Saturn in the 7th house sextile Venus, Mars and Pluto.
Totes. 2H Cappy Venus widely squaring 10H Saturn.
Venus in the 8th sextile Saturn. I don’t feel worthy.
Does anyone with Eros in Capricorn feel that same way?
Yes I have this aspect. It’s taken me ages to rid, most of this behaviour. Luckily I’m with someone who makes me talk everything out.
Oh yes, this is my whole life.
i have venus trine saturn but i have never rejected. I’m rather open. Maybe too open (Sag ruled DSC) I have been in a relationship with a venus square saturn person and this did play out in that i was rejected because they said that they “sucked”.Rejecting me was said to be an “act of love” towards me on their part. I guess I had to be saved from their suckiness. I’m thinking “No, you don’t suck, but your ability to waste my time sucks. Also your self sabotage sucks most of all.” I figure if that’s what life would be like dealing with this person then they probably did do me a favor. I am so happy that I have Jupiter up the wazoo to offset this mechanism in me. I’m going to start using the Venus trine Saturn to be more discerning though. I could use more of that.
Venus In Capricorn in the second house. My Saturn is in the first. I can relate. I was in love with someone who had a Saturn ruled DC and it was in their 5th conj. my Neptune. I foolishly thought they rejected me because they felt they had nothing to offer, but are no in a happy relationship with someone whose Saturn is in their 7th. See how this works? When younger I rejected people ALL the time. I was terrified of not being enough. Unfortunately, with Moon/Pluto conj. in Virgo I was equally as picky. So it was a lose/lose situation. I regected my marriage when Saturn conj. my MC.
Venus and the Moon conjunct in Sag trine Saturn. I feel that there’s a tug of war going on between open and closed, self esteem and lack. Open seems to be finally winning.
I have that one too gemini 7 except my venus is in late degree scorpio and my moon in very early degree sag. Trined by saturn in Leo
can totally relate – venus in virgo
venus in libra in the 12th sextile saturn in sag in the 2nd. i can relate.
“You have this deep fear that you suck. If you invest in that, you will wind up rejecting someone, as a preemptive strike. You feel you will be rejected so you beat them to it. Obviously, if you don’t control this tendency, you’re going to reject everyone in an attempt to not be vulnerable.”
Venus square Saturn. It took me FOREVER to figure out this is what I was doing.
Venus Saturn here! What what! Kidding,
yeah, I work on it. On seeing my value rather than feeling unlovable.
The tricky part comes when I reject partners for not valuing me enough…
Tricky because I often pick partners who do NOT value me enough… first I try to accept it, then ultimately I reject them… – Hey they never even cared about me!!
Tricky to know, did I give them a chance?
Should I have just skipped over them to begin with?
I meet so few people that interest me… tricky tricky.
I was like this when I was much younger….eventually I decided I was going to throw caution in the wind, and so I did. Venus trine Saturn.
I have Venus Qx Saturn. It’s hard to accept love.
You know I think that since it’s venus we also attract partners and experiences that reflect Saturn when it comes to love. So it’s not just a deep fear that you suck — it’s that you are drawn to partners who are rigid, controlling, limiting, judgmental, distant, unavailable, etc. So that sets up a pattern of making it very hard to get satisfaction anyway.
I am not sure you can teach Venus Saturn not to do this because we attract what we attract. You can do a lot of deep work to retrain yourself to believe you deserve love, but I don’t know if you can then decide to choose to love a Jupiterian instead of a Saturnian. Maybe you could but it seems it would go against the grain.
That’s interesting, eva. We have a difference in our philosophies. Mine is Jupitarian – about possibilities and yours is Saturnian – you see limits.
. yeah I guess. I mean my venus saturn would say — you can’t change who you love. Jupiter would say what???Sure you can!
But also that complex you’re discussing has to come from somewhere. At some point venus saturn learned that love experiences were difficult, hard, painful, rejecting, yeah? They had to learn it from someone — a father figure is awfully likely. So at least the initial experience is fated. If later venus saturn chooses someone outside of her habitual pattern — something goes unexpressed, or unfed.
Venus in Libra square Saturn In Capricorn here. Takes time to work through why does this keep happening to me, common denominator is me….can I change, yes, but I need to learn MORE self acceptance….and yes, someone somewhere taught us when we were young that we were ‘unlovable’. Its hard work to come through this to something better, but worth it.
” If later venus saturn chooses someone outside of her habitual pattern — something goes unexpressed, or unfed”
I don’t agree. Perspective alone can change everything and it is possible to graduate, grow beyond something, gain wisdom etc.
To me this is no different than saying a person cannot quit smoking. If they believe that, they may be toast, but if they believe differently, a door opens.
Venus sq. Saturn. I worked hard to overcome this in my 20′s, but it is still a general pattern, that is,I never completely nipped it in the bud. Demands constant vigilance.
Maybe. You have to go pretty deep though. Although I agree that the point of having a chart is to grow beyond it and get off the wheel.
This is almost like the discussion on the boards about creativity. At a certain point you have x number of experiences and they make you, finally, into this person with this perspective. Perspectives are not static but to change your outlook arbitrarily after millions of hours of reinforcement, lessons, insights, etcetera is sometimes not really worth it, or maybe even the point of the whole incarnation.
My vedic teacher calls every relationship a mirror; and she says that people who’ve come back and done this millions of times stop bothering with a human mirror entirely and focus on the divine one.
So you don’t know. People with difficult experiences surrounding love and attraction in the mundane world might be being led to a higher relationship or actual *partnership* with the divine.
That’s how eastern philosophy would parse this kind of difficulty, anyway.
In my progressed chart, Venus opposes Saturn and Pluto. I gotta say this is what I tend to believe. I try to change that by being more positive about myself. I changed my overall image with weight loss and by looking for other possibilities around me. I work at being more attractive. However I haven’t attract anybody that I actually like so far. All in its own time I guess.
In my natal chart, Saturn is on my 5th house cusp and it conjuncts Pluto. Saturn is also my 7th house ruler. I can see where I developped that frame of mind. I have a strong Jupiter influence in my chart and I can see where I see opportunities. My mind is split in this area of my life.
Eva…I’m living proof it can be done. I am very willing to go as deep as I need to go. I feel I am more willing, to go deeper than most. Maybe this is my Chiron/IC square 8th House Saturn. I never look away.
“I never look away”
That’s beautiful Kashmiri
Having 7h Sun-Jup I envision all the possibilities. Now with 5h Aquarius Venus conj Saturn — AND, I make rejection a reality if I am spurned with rejection. Essentially threatening to end the relationship because I’m expressing myself (read: feelings) I *must* have an equal give ‘n take relationship.
I attracted a doozy Saturn conj Sun Cap. — oozed with rejecting energy; myself and others behind their backs – if they only knew. I couldn’t field this energy; completely draining. You need therapy!
eva said: My vedic teacher calls every relationship a mirror; and she says that people who’ve come back and done this millions of times stop bothering with a human mirror entirely and focus on the divine one.
That’s called disassociating to the nth-degree. If someone is single that works as I see it however communicating IN a relationship is the foundation of accepting/agree to disagree.
I just say, be yourself. Live without fear as much as possible however have discernment from abuses.
I definately relate. My poor, unwitting Leo Venus has taken quite a few hard knocks by Saturn, at Home in his Natal 10th House no less:( She’s had just about every damn hair on her mane split; it IS viscious. I’ve been trying to remedy the feeling but it’s going to take a couple more years of healing to fix just yet.
I think Elsa said something similar to me in a consult a few years back – haha. I can definitely relate
I have the double whammy – Venus sq Saturn and Saturn in the 7th.
I have a friend who is a “man magnet.” And these are wonderful men – I’d love to have such a man! But she broke up with one because she didn’t like his decorating; another because he smelled bad though no one elsed smelled it, another had too many pictures of his grown kids, etc. Yep, she has venus square saturn.
But I’m equally interested in what makes these men so attracted to a woman such as this. I wonder what the astrology is.
Yep, I can relate. Venus and Saturn both in Aries and conjunct. Tied to this, I’m recently working on emotional availability in myself, which seems to be the crux of it (for me). Not just romantic partners either, it’s with some friends too. Work in progress…
p.s. both in the 9th.
sunnyP:
I have a friend who doesn’t have any eyes. One could say his disinterest in having eyes is disassociation or compensation or any other term, but the fact is the man has no eyes.
Some people do not partner successfully. When you get to fifty, sixty years on there has to be a reason beyond just a bad attitude or a failure to communicate.
Sometimes in an incarnation you just don’t get a thing. You can’t fix it or get it later or learn to get it — you just do not get the thing.
It’s just a fact. I’ve given you my understanding of this.
My Veeeeenus squared by Pluto in Libra and Saturn is Scorpio.
No wonder i am too unique to be in a relationship.
Phew!
Yep Venus in Taurus is Squared by my Saturn in Aquarius, even though I want a relationship I am scared of relationships (as in anything more than friendship). So I purposely make myself appear disinterested, or I just don’t put myself out there. With a boat load of excuse: “I’m not good enough”, “I’m not pretty enough”, “Why would anyone like me”, “I’d make a horrible partner”, and the list goes on and on.
I will admit that the behavior is really self-sabotaging because I refuse to take chances, so while I have friends who are in relationships I have yet to take that plunge.
Hope that all who have these issues, regardless of placement can begin to break down those self damaging barriers and can really open themselves up and become whole. Even if you do not find a partner, at least we can make sure that we feel whole within ourselves.
2nd House Capricorn Venus. I relate to every word you said. Crazy
I, the Queen of Self Sabotage, attracted a conman with 10th house Saturn opposing his Moon/Venus in Capricorn in the 4th. He set about sabotaging us after a few months and I didn’t find out for two years that he had regular liaisons with a bi-sexual neighbor, a lady of 70 who liked to be tied up (etc.) I think he left me lots of clues, but my dear old Venus in Taurus in the 4th widely conjunct Saturn in 5th hung in there puzzling about intuitive hits. (Thought I was being given Mills & Boon plots.) Duh!
Venus sq Sat or conj is sensitive to others not playing well with others.
Some people partner quite well…however long is debatable. I liken my Venus conj Saturn to fine wine — if the flavor will be enhanced as time goes on, I will continue otherwise I break the bottle. Moving on…
(((Maria)) yes, must not step over clues. I gave it couple more months (too many) and nothing changed. -next
I understand what Eva is saying here and that’s where I’m at. My venus is in Libra but opposite my moon. My purpose this time around does not really allow for the mundane or the upset which comes with a love relationship.
I’ve said before here that I’m done with love for various reasons. But the bottom line is my work serves a greater purpose and feeds me more and wholly than a love relationship would. A love relationship would detract from what i’m supposed to do and what feeds me. So, that’s why I’m single. Once i figured this all out (fairly recently), it feels loads better. Many people judge those who prefer to remain single. It’s not always because we have or are a problem or unworthy or couldn’t find someone. It’s because we do not want it because it does not fit this lifetime.
And this is my last incarnation so there’s that. I want to get this right, this life. I am not coming back to do any of this crap again. lol
I was like this. I have Venus in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and mercury. Trine moon and Jupiter. Section Neptune. No Saturn/Venus in Capricorn/ or 10 th house involved. I was like this with friends too.
I can definitely relate… Venus in Libra square Saturn in Cap. It’s been an ongoing struggle to fight against my tendency to isolate, and I’ve felt a lot of emotional pain around this issue. The Uranus/Pluto transiting square is aspecting my Venus rather closely right now, bringing it into sharp focus.
Venus cj Saturn 2nd Scorpio opp Moon 8th Taurus. You may recall quite a few agreed in a question put by one of P’s colleagues that VcjS signified childhood sexual abuse. My sometime (33 years) SO’s Saturn is cj my 12th Sun Virgo. It seems it is very hard to change what you’ve been taught to see in the ‘mirror’. I look to my progressed chart but Mr Saturn hasn’t strayed very far, even there ;p
Venus conjunct Saturn (wide, but still there) in Gemini———–> Mercury in Cancer———> Moon in Cappy—–back to—–>Saturn in Gemini.
It can be a vicious cycle,
Angie
I can relate!
I certainly can and do relate: Venus in Cap (exact with Vesta) and opposing Saturn Rx in Cancer.
It’s not that I rejected love, far form it – my Jupiter/Juno almost exact in Libra H2 and my BML in Scorp with it;s huge need for sex saw to that.
But the intensity of Cap Venus’s love and the way that leaves me open to pain has certainly played out in many ways. It’s one reason I usually had more than one serious affair going on when I was younger: ‘safety in numbers’ so to speak. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket – don’t let any one man have that stranglehold over you.
It’s possibly why, having be hurt to the point of suicide by love, I married a man who adored me but whom I knew I’d never ‘fall in love with’. Well I got hoist on that petard in the end, since he clocked it and did go looking elsewhere – something I thought he’s never ever do.
I’m still working thought this stuff right now – with the Man trying to draw me back, I’m repulsing him and stone-walling not because I no longer love him, but because I can’t bear any more of the pain he causes me: it’s fear, yes, but fear based on experience. I’ve been very open to him in the past.
Having this Venus and this aspect, I also relate to what eva wrote: “You know I think that since it’s venus we also attract partners and experiences that reflect Saturn when it comes to love. So it’s not just a deep fear that you suck — it’s that you are drawn to partners who are rigid, controlling, limiting, judgmental, distant, unavailable, etc. So that sets up a pattern of making it very hard to get satisfaction anyway”
But I’d parse that a little differently. I do attract men with heavy Saturn, because if a love affair isn’t about learning and transformation, and also about self-sacrifice, it’s pointless in the long run.
My Saturn – very strong as it’s all over my chart – also attracts men who need that in their lives and Ive seen this play out over and over: typically, Leos who are given to fun and airy Aquas who need tethering somehow. They sense what they lac in me, and crave it – then rebel when I provide it.
Fortunately my Sun/Venus is in H5 otherwise I fear I’d be too heavy for everyday use! And it has enabled me to enjoy sex and love as pure ‘pleasure’ and romance, to mitigate the Saturn which manifests in my deeper relationships
Eva said “You know I think that since it’s venus we also attract partners and experiences that reflect Saturn when it comes to love”. this has been true in my case. Having Saturn in the 7th translated into – I need someone with heavy Saturn.
Having Saturn though, doesn’t only bring negative qualities – controlling, limiting, distant, etc. Saturn people are also faithful, stable, diplomatic, deliberate, and enduring.
That’s true, Mahchi. And actually a Saturn figure can be positive or negative depending on your own reaction. Faithful and conservative can turn to dull and constricting pretty fast given one’s innate orientation to the energy.
it is a contradiction though – saturn venus can stick it out forever, but always have to have the “authority” that comes with being the one to reject.
can totally relate – venus in cap square pluto in libra – rejection w added drama
when two of you are doing it it gets pretty crazy. i’ve been with someone 6 years – and lost count of the number of break-ups.
There is something wrong with me! How do you know there’s not?
(Venus in Virgo widely square Saturn in Cancer)
Yep, got this too.
I have saturn conj venus in my 11th house. i’ve been through the:i’m unlovable… yadda yadda. which leads to less love and less trust. lesson learned: growth, acceptance, and love growing.
thanks saturn conj. venus.
i’m wondering about a different take on this aspect: i’ve made my living by making beautiful things my whole life (or attempting to). I’m know learning to facilitate collaboration between different people to design new kinds of solutions. i can’t help but turn to my saturn conj. venus (esp bc its in the 11th) as a way to understand and further my abilities in this area.
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I act the same way but I don’t have Venus/Saturn except for the fact that my Venus is opposing the MC. I do have Mars/Saturn though.