Music, Memories, My Past – Venus Opposite Pluto – Death Of My Values
Astrology in real life.
I recently replaced the broken cd player in my car after putting it off for 2 years, maybe even 3. I am surprised when I listen to the music…what little music I have. I don’t have much music because someone stole all my music one day and I never got over the heartbreak of that in a way. And then my daughter got ill and I didn’t want to hear any music for a long, long time after that.
So now I am listening to music and it seems very far away. I am definitely not the person I was the last time I heard it and I don’t think I could get back to being that person, if I tried. Even if it were possible to go back, I am not sure it would be desirable. In spite of the Leo in my chart, I am not a child and I would have to do away with a lot of growth to go back in time like that.
A lot of the music haunts me. I used to like the memories associated with the music I listen to but I no longer do. The space between now and then is now so vast, and not just for me, personally. The themes I am attracted, musically don’t exist in this era.
Men and women don’t interact with each other now, the way they did then and it makes no sense to pine for the past or to even think about it, really. I may as well think about a time back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, that’s how distant it all is.
On the Venus Pluto front, I think of the people in my past who I knew liked and listened to the same music I did. I wonder how they’re faring.
I remember mentioning a band to my friend, Leon, who had introduced me to them. “We don’t listen to them anymore,” he said, meaning he and his wife.
“Really? Why not?” I asked.
“We grew up and they didn’t”, he replied.
I winced. Leon’s Scorpio always smacked my Leo, but never intentionally.
Saturn in Scorpio will square my Venus in Leo and I guess this will be the death of the sunny young girl I was at one time in my life. Playfulness, fun, courting and love affairs are just not in vogue right now. I am sure there’s an upside but I have trouble seeing it.
41 Responses to “Music, Memories, My Past – Venus Opposite Pluto – Death Of My Values”
“Elsa-I know what you mean. Are you a Leo sun or a Cap sun?”
I am neither. I have Venus in Leo and like courting, chivalry and the like. 
This post is resonating some with me. I’ve been a musician my whole life and the dynamics of music are inseperable from my past. Letting new music touch my emotions seems to be an avenue for keeping in touch with my inner child! Does it ever leave us?
I’ve felt that way as I’ve grown older. I was *in love* with music when I was young — absolutely, absolutely in love. Not just listening but playing, singing, dancing, learning, being around people who played. It was an enormous part of my active personality.
Then one day I hung it all up and moved across the world. I always wanted to get back to it but it kept eluding me. In 2007 I had a sort of musical resurrection for a couple years but the problem was that this musicality of mine was something the ex wanted to shut down. I was always getting lectures about the evils of popular music and having to hide it from him. When we first met I sent him song after song and then he decided that wasn’t allowed because pop music was from Satan.
Anyway now I just don’t listen the way I used to. I keep meaning to open back up to it but so far, the past few years, I haven’t. There’s a lot of pain there now that just wasn’t there before.
But I think….if you want it in your life…you just have to work past the pain.
Welcome, Megs.
It’s definitely difficult to let go, but in my case, I am no longer there either…nor is anyone else on the planet, lol. Tastes have changed. It seems undeniable.
I used to keep current on music and listen to all kinds of things. I even got into Indian (Punjabi) hip hop for awhile.
But my ex and I listended to all of this, and now there’s just too much of my music I can no longer listen to.
I got an Ipod Nano last Christmas and haven’t loaded a single song.
As for current music, what I notice is I like the same themes now as I did then. It’s just attitudes have changed so songs that deal with themes that appeal to me are few and far between.
When I do hear something I like, I react immediately. But most the current stuff deals with subjects or emotions or presents an attitude that is not interesting to me.
For example, I can’t relate to a jaded woman. I can’t relate to a feminized man, or a man who sings about his conquests. This stuff is like fingernails on a blackboard to me. A woman who sings about her conquests – ugh, or her sad victimhood – ugh.
The music might be excellent but I can’t get by the message. It’s too foreign. It’s not only foreign, it’s not interesting.
Glad to be here! I feel ya. My inner child is elusive, my 1st Sat. return is upon me. No matter what aesthetic changes or tastes require our attention or reconciliation, we feel better after we’ve been moved by art. Seeking it despite change is good!
AND… I have Venus square Neptune and I know how permeable I am. There are things I’d rather not be infected with, lol.
I like clever male songwriters the most. With depth. It’s not what people are famous for today. They are famous for their dick, their look, their tight pants or their stage show. BORING. I want to be moved…by something other than my hormones, lol.
Eva-well stated about getting past the pain. Its a good feeling once you can say ” Look how far I have come!!”
Elsa-not a big fan of most themes out there today either. I am a big fan of this site tho!!! =)
I could have written almost all of this post.
Most of my music is a poignant reminder of that which is gone forever, and I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to get back to the place I was before.
I got my Venus in Leo too in 10th house.
So when Saturn enters Scorpio will it be also a kiss of a death?
In my Birth chart Pluto and Saturn are squaring my Venus
@xcd – kiss of death?
I feel like this now and I am mid degrees Leo. It does feel like GLOOM moving in towards that sector of my life.
Now I happen to have a packed 8th and a lot of Capricorn so I can align with Saturn in Scorpio for sure. But the childlike Leo slice of me – the eternal child side of me already feels that PLAY in inappropriate.
But I would not say “kiss of death”. Leo with have to deal with Saturn in Scorpio creatively, and most of us will.
Hmm.. I wonder what my 9deg. Scorpio Venus in 10th will say when Saturn makes that move. Hopefully I’ll be able to translate it into music like I always have, but y’all are talking about major creative changes. Elsa, do you play an instrument?
Saturn in Scorp is going to hit my Venus/Neptune/IC and ping my Leo ASC/Jupiter MC all at the same time. *sigh* not much I can do about it except live through it and learn how to benefit from it
I can relate to what you’ve said above, Elsa. I’ve been feeling a bit more like an elder woman of the family lately, maybe Saturn in Scorpio is the dividing line for some of us.
I don’t, Megan. But I spent 17 years on and off with a pianist and my oldest friend (30 years), Ben, plays the cello professionally, as well as teaching it for the last 30 years plus.
MY husband plays the guitar, his son plays the violin, well enough to play with the local symphony as a teenager, so I’ve definitely been exposed.
Oh….I just realized this transit will square my Midheaven. I think I’ll just Neptune that out for now!
i stopped listening to music while i was pregnant. and its strange for me as musician, a voice and piano teacher. those times when i was teaching or preparing for a lesson were the only times i listened.
i just don’t dig humans sounding like robots with the autotune and meldyne. and i don’t care about what folks sing about. i occasionally listen to older stuff, but like you said; its pining for a time that’s not gonna come back. what’s the use in that?
truthfully, i stopped making music after i released my album because i figured that i’d said what i’d had to say on that album. people preferred to listen to something else and thats ok with me. my capricorn likes to see results for my hard work. those pie in the sky ambitions no longer suit me.
Elsa, I have Venus in Leo @20 deg, does it mean my childishness will be gone too?? I know some people doesn’t like my loud lauging charecter, they are try to take away my smile since last 4 years…. yea, painful !!
BTW Leo is my 12th house, the secret planner ..
I too love the music of the past – of MY ast… 60s and 70s for me, and also the stuff from the 30s and 40s which I associated with old b/w movies and the war and my parents’ generation’s romances which we heard a lot about
but I still love listening to it all. Nothing turns me on and gets me going like some of that late 60s/very early 70s stuff which was the soundtrack to my love affairs in those years. Dancing, going to a big gig, or sitting around smoking joints while talking and drawing and learning and relating… Nights in garden bars on the island, with a full moon above us…
It all comes flooding right back and I like to feel and re-live the positive sensations of those years, and even the really bad times were marked by a depth of feeling I miss from my life now.
I too have Venus sq Neptune but I also have a Taurus Moon which loves the old and familiar
You sound wistful Elsa..I can relate to a lot of what you have said. I am sad about your daughter, and I have never lost a child so I can’t say I “know how you feel”. But I can relate to the feeling of not being able to relate to things you once heard and the distancing of the joy. I hope it comes back for you one day.
Sona, you are my Venus twin. I have it at 20 Leo in the 12th, too .
” When the musics over” The DOORS
Elsa you told me I was going to feel my age, really feel it for the first time. And, I believe you. I understand every word you wrote. Lots of things feel so far off in the distance. I love some memories, I don’t think about some of it if I can help it. I will always love music, but it is different now. I have gone through times where I just need silence over anything else. I have so much stuffed in this head of mine….scrambled up and popping around in there….where did the time go. I blinked…and here I am right in the middle. It goes fast
I heard a story from a lawyer about his client in a particularly tricky situation – being falsely accused of high treason, basically. The client told the lawyer he could only listen to military marches for 2 of the toughest years (before his name was cleared, in a very public way).
I, on the other hand, can’t imagine just going musicless. The worst periods of my life, well, I made through thanks to music. Still listening to the same stuff I did when I was a teenager too, but then I had a serious taste, loved classical music and oldies. NN/Venus/Uranus tightly conjunct in Scorpio does it, I think.
Hmmm yeah, I get this. I like Trance/Electronic music and industrial music, singer/songwriters and independent artists…my friends don’t. I’ve even been thinking of getting a guitar! I can relate in the sense that even though I can share music with people and listen to stuff they listen to, ultimately I need to stick with what I enjoy and not let other people’s tastes cloud my own. Im not sure….but I loooooove Fenders and been looking at a Stratocaster! In black! (yum). My point is that for me it’s become more a personal experience and less a shared experience
‘I have gone through times where I just need silence over anything else.’
I am like this. I seek messages in silence but also it is a spiritual exercise for me. This (silence) is one of the reasons Quakerism interests me.
I have Neptune 12/ Saturn 8/ Venus 4 in a Grand Trine. Sometimes silence is all I need.
@ Elsa
Yes a “Kiss of Death” Exactly 2 years ago when mars and Saturn conjunction was going on. and i still corrosively feel the aftermath!
I am just unable to get it out of my mind and its come to a situation where i am seriously considering a clinical analysis or cure by drug.
Too bad… This is it for me!
“Playfulness, fun, courting and love affairs are just not in vogue right now. I am sure there’s an upside but I have trouble seeing it.”
http://imakeyouink.tumblr.com/post/29150106030/sadandsasssy-omfg-this
made me think when I saw this. Even the handles of the people who reposted it are so post-romatic-apocalypse. Maybe this is nostalgia for something they never had?
Music is very important to me and I listen to a broad spectrum. Right now my favorite is Anna von Hauswolff new album: organmusic – dark rock quite apocalyptic old testament-music – sorry about my swedishenglish..
I’ve been thinking about music as part of courting recently and how I’ve been listening to soul/r&b almost exclusively lately. I always did listen to it, but lots of other stuff too. I’m finding I notice the lyrics now like I never did before. and now I most want to hear stuff where they are being kind, loving and sexy, rather than hard, harsh and whatever.
I love the “baby baby baby, you are so wonderful” music.
My music is very romantic and passionate. In a certain way I am emotionally handicapped (Saturn in Scorpio) and use music as a bridge to my light-hearted self (stellium in Leo).
oh dear saturn is square my venus now. Am I deathly?
I am first picking up music listening again. Although, there is a place I want to be that I can’t quite get to right now. I know it will happen but just can’t quite get there. With venus in cancer, I am getting rid of alot of the old stuff in my house that is not functional. Material sentimentality is going. And I can’t care like I did in the past. Life is not allowing it. But I don’t think this is so bad so far, this square I mean.
@SharonLynn “Most of my music is a poignant reminder of that which is gone forever, and I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to get back to the place I was before.”
This.
I felt that way after I lost all my music from Napster. I was devastated, and didn’t have the means to replace it since file sharing had become illegal.
At the same time my Cd player in the car broke. I got out of the habit of listening to music…and while I miss music, it seems a bit too little too late now for me…
You know my most favorite thing about music, well, after the sheer variety is that it’s always changing. You can switch it up, go back or just plan move on and it’s never the same .
As for the upside to this, I think it’s maybe that instead of being the “playful, cute, young thing”, now you’ll be the “‘beautiful, self-assured Lady of the Screen/star”. Or, in other words, you’re more growing into your own and I think that’s a good thing 
Angie
I stopped listening much to music when I broke up with the Man in 1995/96 and moved to the country, in the sense I no longer have proper means to play it.
Now I just listen online sometimes when the mood takes me, or I watch eg a rock documentary. I don’t ‘play stuff’ like I did all the time in the old days when my emotional and sexual life was active and meaningful… Popular music was so much a soundtrack to all that, for me. I still love it, but as a window into the past, like watching my own movie
It’s not part of my life, as it was before I turned 50
Loss. Regrowth. Got it.
Good point Elsa…but sometimes the force of nostalgia makes it hard to realize what’s dead and what’s not till much later. For me anyway.
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Music is a mood altering substance for me, timing is everything. I have had times in my life where silence was my refuge. Went to see Neil Young the other night and it was pretty perfect. Red Rocks helps anything sound better, too. Neil Young has got me thru some murky moments in my life, and hearing it live triggered some real memories of emotion and general good times. It felt good to reconnect with the old memories and make a new one with my dad at that show. Been humming a lot of Neil this week but haven’t put it on my iPod to hear yet. Actually havent really listened to any music since the concert.
Elsa-I know what you mean. Are you a Leo sun or a Cap sun?