I have been interested in astrology since I was 8 years old and working as an astrologer for almost 25 years. I don’t think about this much, thank God, but sometimes the veil lifts and it hits me, just how flaky the average person thinks an astrologer is.
I am not talking about people who are part of the astrological community or anyone who is particularly interested in the subject. I am talking about the average man on the street. The average man on the street does in fact think astrologers are kooks.
I became aware of this most recently when four astrologers unanimously predicted that Obama would win the 2012 election. The mainstream news picked up the story and it was run on all the major news sites.
I don’t agree with those astrologers but that aside, what killed me was the comments. The comments on the news sites were 100% mocking of astrology and it really hit me hard.
As an example of the tone of the comments someone said that the stars agreed that Obama would win, and then they named the stars. “Miley Cyrus thinks so, Justin Bieber thinks so, and Selena Gomez agrees…” You get the idea. The comments were full of contempt. It was clear that people making remarks had no concept of how many years of study it takes to become a competent astrologer. I was at least momentarily obliterated when I read the reaction.
Who wants to identify themselves as an astrologer when people believe that “astrologer” and “idiot” are interchangeable terms? Prostitutes are more respected. At least there are people who will step in to defend a whore. Not so, when it comes to astrology.
Now this happened several weeks ago and I have thought about it since, on some level. I haven’t let it preoccupy me or I would have lost function, but I’ve had to process it.
I love my job. I think I am inordinately good at it and I feel very strongly that this is what I am supposed to do. But boy does it come with a high price tag.
All this effort, all the decades of study, and even if you manage to climb to the top of your profession, you’re still get to be just about equal to the gum under someone’s shoe the minute you leave your sphere.
Thinking about this, I was able to see if from the public’s perspective. There are a lot of flaky astrologers out there, it’s undeniable. They’re lumped in with tarot card readers, tea leaf readers, crystal ball people, power animal folk, psychics, rip-off artists and whatever else you can imagine. I can conduct myself in a certain way but I cannot control public perception and that’s just all there is to it.
Ultimately, I resolved this by realizing it’s is no different then being a good cop in a bad precinct, or a priest who does not abuse children, or a soldier who does not go on a rampage. It’s horrible when a peer or peers do something that degrades the whole group, but it happens.
I’m glad I’m married though. It’s easy to get dates as an astrologer but it’s not easy to marry because astrology is simply not respected. It’s something that makes people roll their eyes and it’s just plain embarrassing to bring an astrologer over to meet your parents. “You’re going to marry a WHAT?”
Having an interest in astrology is one thing. Once you go beyond that, you’re going to suffer.
63 Responses to “Flaky Astrologers”
then.. with you Elsa, even us of the lower levels, who are merely interested in astrology, and who study as we can.. the novices and masters alike will just have to stand together and take the beating.
I’ve said this before, and i still do believe it.. that one of the reasons this community is unlike any other in the vast wide interwebs, is because we all face the same judgment.
even my friends who will read their “daily horoscope” still tell me i “believe this crap” too much.. so i don’t discuss it with those friends (which is really hard to do i might add).
non-astrology all look at us the same, all the way up the chain of competency.. this is a true fact. no denying it. but does not persecution always bring together the damned?
so we’ll all be damned together.. it’s better than suppressing what we believe in.
“You’re going to marry a WHAT?”
“Having an interest in astrology is one thing. Once you go beyond that, you’re going to suffer.”
100% with you on that.. great post Elsa!
“You WA$TED all that on ASTROLOGY BOOKS?”
“You study what? ASTROLOGY?”
“Dont tell my father you study Astrology” ex-gf
Ditto, Solaire. I tell no one.
I’ve chewed over this for years. I could not have ever called myself an astrologer while my mother was alive.
Now…I don’t know. Maybe. But I am *very* aware of the need to hide what I think about most of the time, to most people.
YUP.
Or a competent doctor amongst snake-oil salesmen.
<3 you, Elsa.
Great post, Elsa. Very true. I had a conversation this weekend where I mentioned my interest in astrology. Someone asked me if I believed there was truth to it. I replied that I thought it was a great place to start if you were looking for self-dialogue and personal growth. They responded that they thought it was another way to relate to others. I thought of this blog and Liz Greene. 
And what was also embarrassing was that these kooky astrologers, who have no reliable birth date for Obama, used the birth time from the uncertified(and therefore worthless) birth “certificate” released from the WH, which was also patently photoshopped.
David Maraniss’s new bio gives a different birth time, without a source, so even the date is in question. As one who has spent most of my professional life sorting out truth from fiction, I was shocked by the sheer carelessness and incompetence of these astrologers, and it made me wonder about the profession.
Fortunately, I have no such issues with you Elsa!
My sister thinks I’m mad.
Brother in law thinks I don’t have believe on me.
Mom told me, “stop it right now”.
…. so many comments !!!!
But Shhhhhhh … I still read and analysis stars )
Elsa, I understand your views and frustration about ignorance towards astrology. It is common for people to make assumptions and give their opinions about things without giving the benefit of the doubt. I have experienced this many times and I believe I have also done this to others. Astrology is a subject that many are not accustomed to and do not believe. I can tell you why because I have been in this situation. My family is divided with some people who believe in astrology and the science behind it then there is the other members who just get fed up hearing about it because they in a way do not want to hear what is coming or any aspects that are taking place at the moment because they have been disappointed in predictions in the past or it makes them feel sad that they have this negative aspect in their chart or future. I myself did not believe astrology for the longest time. Many horoscopes were off and not coming true. Giving hope when nothing happened. I strongly believe horoscopes should not be read. They are incorrect because each person has a different chart. Many understand that the sun sign is what they should follow. From what I have learned, the sun sign, rising sign and aspects need to be considered. It’s quite complex. I am a Taurus sun and Capri rising. I feel that the Capri rising is more like what I have been experiencing than the Taurus sun. Then there are houses and what is being affected when which is different for everyone. Most of the population does not even know what their rising sign is or what that means. I just found out my rising sign 1 year ago. I did not even know that the eclipses were affecting me and I got married 1 year from today which was right around the eclipses. No wonder it was so stressful. There is so much to learn and so much to be more aware of.
I thank you Elsa for having this blog and being helpful in teaching people about astrology. This has helped me very much and I will continue to learn. I have so much to learn .
truth is… we are growing stronger
Well, let’s not forget the Reagan’s use of Joan Quigley while in the White House, or JP Morgan’s quote of “millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do”, or Madame Blavatky’s famous court case over her astrology…all charges were dropped once she gave the judge a reading. I’ve studied astrology for many years and have used it to advise friends, which they eventually bought into, since it was always accurate…can’t argue success. I have a degree in the sciences and had a high-level position, but I don’t have that career anymore…I make soap, because I have a passion for it…I’ve lost friends over that! They think I should be doing something “useful” with my degree to take me out of my current poverty. If astrology is your passion, Elsa, you’ll have to overcome the doubters and focus on your supporters and clients. I’m a gay guy and I’ve had to learn to be proud of what/who I am…if someone doesn’t like me or what I do, that’s their problem.
Elsa…
i see more ppl interested in it… even great Medics. Interested in studying or in getting an Astrologer opinion.
mike, I have identified myself as a professional astrologer – and nothing but – for 25 years. I’ve come to terms with this long ago, and written about this as well at various times, though not recently.
It’s come up now the reason I stated. I read hundreds of comments across a variety of sites that published the findings of these astrologers and not one of them was positive. Not one! It does get a person’s attention and I thought this was worth putting up for discussion.
Great writing. Interesting timing of your post. I was just in a writing workshop where a writer explored astrology in their poems. Well, I thought they were exploring astrology. Initially, it seemed as though the speaker in the poems took the subject of astrology seriously, but the tone of the work quickly moved into a conflict with the information the writer presented, which was basically over the top reactions to Mercury Retrogade. No big deal, it’s fun to be playful. But you can’t have a speaker who is trying to have authority (which the earlier language in the poem suggested), then completely undermine that authority by having the speaker mock the subject matter. Anyhow, my point is, the writer wasn’t taking the subject serously. And I was just supposed to assume from the title/subject that I, the reader, wasn’t supposed to take it seriously. I was annoyed.
Well, the other thing is, people might be negative but *someone* is reading all that astrology content online…
But then again, I find alot of professions kooky. Alot of politics kooky. Alot of religious groups kooky. As for myself, I am more than accustomed to folks rolling their eyes at me for any number of reasons. Anything that unsettles them. Sometimes they even yell at me to correct what they do not consider appropriate behavior for their sensitive selves. I think it is how I know who my friends are and who ain’t.
When things go mainstream, they get bastardized and become control systems for the power drunk monkeys. I like studying astrology in the dark.
Your resolution to this really struck me, Elsa. I was nodding in agreement as I read that paragraph.
Then it occured to me that it was an excellent illustration of the issues you discuss regularly about what one does with energy and the choices one makes.
Here, you had this event that brought up a problem that impacts/effects you personally. It’s a big, intractable problem that–had you let it, could have sucked you into a morass of worry, doubt, self-pity even…
But instead [it seemed to me] you “expanded the frame” and pulled in the perspective that there are other careers and callings that deal with similar public perception issues-and people with those jobs that do manage good work regardless. You found a resolution that rendered the problem manageable. Not ultimately solved and disappeared–but manageable.
It was extremely helpful to see a working example of that practice of problem-solving through expanding and reframing the issue. I’ve been practicing since our consult, and this really “clicked” for me personally.
So, though it was not the primary point of this post–Thank you!
The public is a fickle beast! I remember the Reagan’s use of Quigley actually caused a furor in the press, but was partially responsible for popularizing astrology at that time. Same goes for Penny Thornton, Princess Di’s personal astrologer…the British news media made fun of Thornton, but I think Thornton is laughing all the way to the bank since that revelation. Same for Michael Lutin losing his post at Vanity Fair for his “outlandish” astrological predictions about the economic collapse prior to the recession…he’s made quite a public name for himself since (recently won an award at the UAC). Religion, particularly Christianity, has much basis in original pagan astrology, but has whitewashed it all to the point that astrology is blasphemy. Humans are social creatures and go with the mainstream of thought, to avoid exclusion. I think it’s much like smoking marijuana…most people when asked by a real person would say they don’t and have never done it and they don’t support its use, yet could respond differently, if they were asked via an anonymous questionnaire. Remember the Kinsey Reports on sexuality? It shocked everyone to know that unmentionable proclivities were being practiced in most homes! The same would be true of many potential beliefs, such as astrology…you can entertain it in your own mind, but don’t admit to it, if someone asks!
You are right the average person on the street does think Astrologers and other persons of the metaphysical world are anywhere from a bit off to way out there somewhere. However being as I don’t consider my self average on any level really. I know it is dependent on the individual person. To me you seem very grounded and extremely knowledgeable that says to me you are not a flake or a kook.
That said I have met and personally know some that are so far out they are not in this or any other hemisphere known at this time. I don’t think they are kooks however some of them are flaky.
That is not to say they are not good at what they do. Because they are extremely accurate. They are questionable because they do and say far out things when they are not working in their profession.
On top of that many of the organized religions shun the metaphysical world and there are so many people who are sheep in my humble opinion and truly believe the dogma they are fed by their religious leaders.
However that is purely my opinion.
I am what am and I study what I study. If that makes me a flake, then what does it make a person when they assess me based on their experience with someone else–or no experience at all and are just trying to align with what they deem as popular opinion.
Poor person..can’t form an independent thought. I am an empathetic Pisces moon after all.
Eh… but my Uranus really doesn’t care what anyone thinks about what I do or don’t do
I do definitely understand what you are saying. I’m just used to this in my personal life and what I illustrated above is pretty much how I deal with such.
Could be worse. Go tell someone you are a lawyer or a politician and see..lol
“Could be worse. Go tell someone you are a lawyer or a politician and see..lol”
That’s true, Josi. I think I just really felt this acutely, if not for the first time, for the first time in awhile. And what kills me is I agree with the masses in many cases.
It’s like being a priest who does not rape kids. Your peer does, you’re colored by this, and I imagine it is terribly painful. How could it not be?
All lawyers are shysters, all priests are pedophiles, all astrologers are buggy, all truck drivers are stupid, people join the military because they can’t read, the list goes on.
But still, I would not recommend this profession to anyone. It’s too hard. It’s hard to make a living, hard to make enough money to pay your bills, to buy health insurance, etc. You’re mocked by the mainstream because your profession is not considered to be legitimate.
It’s really got to be a calling if you’re going to do this. Less than that, I don’t think you can make it as an astrologer and by that I mean, I don’t think you can be self-supporting.
You’re got to be really, really good or really, really bad (a shyster) to make it in this business and you better be able to take a punch.
I am just trying to get more comfortable with people thinking I am a flaky idiot. That’s really all you can do, eh? You can’t demand respect, and we’re never going to get any.
JP Morgan and the royal families in Europe always used astrologers… people can pile on all the scorn they want, who cares? People will still show up at the door.
I find nothing whatsoever wrong with Astrology or any of the other mediums in the metaphysical realm. I agree Virginia there are some very prominent people who seek the services of Astrologers and others. These people not only include the royals and bankers but also political people as well. Most everyone wants to have a heads up about their future. These folks just don’t want it to be common knowledge that’s all.
I know what you mean Elsa.
We all want to take pride in our work… and you obviously do. Yet, though its easy to say oh pooh on the ignorant masses…it can be difficult to listen to these negative responses all the time.
Keep doing what you do! Yo do it well!!!!
really interesting post and responses. i agree with mike’s remarks. i tend to self-critique enough to be ready for any judgemental comments. i love logic and am thrilled also to see that 21st physics is coming into alignment with many of the spiritual/metaphysical beliefs over mellenia. how can it be that all established civilizations in times past came up with basic mythologies/belief systems with the same core points? how can it be that millions of people all believe in holy stories that require faith for soul salvation and then not say that they dont believe in astrology? short answer: brain washing/conditioning.
as CP Griffin reminds us, its what we do with energy. the human condition is prone to developing an addiction to power. to keep power you have to tell the herd what to believe: dont get your information independently; i will tell you what to do and expect in life.
this uranus/pluto square is drawing out a revolutionary energy at a time when people are generally not quite so blinkered about the difficult issues of human dynamics but it gives me some hope. perhaps the GLBT and orthodox women and undocumented immigrants will have to get their rights to legitamacy first. the material concerns always trump the spiritual.
but one thing is for sure: while its just plain obvious that one should not throw/initiate pearls before swine, i am not going to hide my beliefs and i am quite ready to discuss them with any respectful person and go with them into any subject-scenario they like.
i honestly believe that astrology will come to be thought of as simply one of the ways that people choose for life-guidance. ok, it might be a couple decades but thats not such a long time for deeply embedded cultural ‘norms’. you say it best:
‘Ultimately, I resolved this by realizing it’s is no different then being a good cop in a bad precinct, or a priest who does not abuse children, or a soldier who does not go on a rampage. It’s horrible when a peer or peers do something that degrades the whole group, but it happens.’
while i dont have any experience with the following astrologer, i think this blogpost also supports this theme (or rather making peace with our place in this theme):
http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.gr/2012/07/fate-and-free-will-in-astrology.html
xo
I mentioned astrology to my shrink, finally, and you should’ve seen how fast he started scribbling down notes!
It was germane to the conversation, and I didn’t care enough to try to obfuscate. I did briefly explain its link to Christianity, the three wise men/magi, etc., but other than that, he can like it or lump it.
Astrology is about the art of timing, not making predictions. For example, when Mercury is Retrograde, I don’t buy computers, cars, or sign job contracts (if I can help it). I wait until the aspects are better. I follow a famous astrologer on twitter who is always making predictions (like the astrologers who mentioned that Obama would win another term this year). She has made predictions for everyone from Mitt Romney to Amanda Knox to Tom Cruise. She’s even made a prediction about the election, urging everyone to vote because it’s going to be a close one. While I listen to her advice about planetary transits and then gauge whether it is a good time in my own life to make certain decisions, she always misses the mark with her predictions (she said Mitt was going to drop out of the election months ago due to health problems because of an eclipse). It didn’t happen. I love astrology and thinks is tremendously fun to study, analyze, and discuss but I also know that life will happen whether it’s a good transit or a bad transit period.
I think the hardest thing is when you start talking money with people…if you are paid to offer counsel or have paid to received counsel, so many think ‘exploiter’ or ‘exploited.’ Tell ‘em you found them on the internet and boy! Watch heads spin.
My therapist was big on dream stuff so understood that I view astrology as a symbolic language that really speaks to me. We did talk a lot about my internet useage, something that has always troubled me.
I wonder if it’s changing incrementally. For one example, you’ve said elsewhere Elsa that this site has really grown.
I just wonder if the scientific discoveries now are getting to a place where it’s a small leap to the observational/interpretative practises such as astrology. Seems to me like quantum physics increasingly talks about science in metaphysical terms.
For instance, I was recently reading an article about the Higgs-Bosun discovery and it talked about how most people could only see 4% of what was around us. So….what’s in the other 96%? Made me wonder about whether this is where those with Sight are seeing, & whether this would eventually be fit together too.
But the general mass, the common voice doesn’t seem to want to acknowledge this as part of the mainstream yet. A lot of so-called ‘rational’ people can’t even bring themselves to acknowledge we are affected by energy. What would it mean if they did? Interesting to ponder…
There is a quote by Sir Isaac Newton when he was challenged by an astronomer, Sir Edmund Halley, about his belief in astrology: “I have studied the matter {astrology} you sir, have not.”
Whenever I am challenged about my belief or asked how I came to study astrology I explain it quite honestly. I began by studying Freud and then subsequently a student of his, Carl Jung. I discovered that Jung was an astrologer. He found that in analyzing the chart of his patients he could eliminate tedious months of therapy he would otherwise have to spend in order to draw out the underlying issues.
Elsa I haven’t gotten a consultation from you but you seem the polar opposite of flaky!
When people tell me its b.s. I just read them info about their sun moon and ASC. They usually agree with everything that is read. Some people I know not to mention it to because of their religious beliefs which is totally okay. 3 years ago I only knew about sun signs, and moon signs by accident but of course Pluto in 3rd house moi had to dig deeper and now astrology is my full blown obsession! Not one day goes by that I am not researching astrology and it helped me understand so much about the world and the people I interact with. Especially myself. Eventually the world will catch up
Honestly, I don’t think it matters what “most” people think of your profession, beliefs, learning, etc. “Most” people have never thought a single thought of their own, let alone examined it, and cannot see the value in exploring an idea outside of their comfort zone of “knowledge.” Rather than examine a differing viewpoint, which could possibly strengthen theirs, these people degrade what is unfamiliar. Odds are, they don’t have an awareness of their own beliefs and the mechanisms behind them.
Further, internet comments are pretty ridiculous across the board when people are given anonymity. YouTube comments never cease to amaze me
Elsa, I am so sorry that this is the case. Though in 2010 statistics state the 32% of people do believe in astrology, there are more that don’t and make it well known to you if you tell them you do. I watched a dvd on Astrology put out by A&E and you know with those things they never go anywhere. But one thing is that a Physicist said was it couldn’t work because there are only four laws of the Universe and they all contradict astrology. Ok..well if we are composed of the same elements of the stars, my question is why wouldn’t we be affected or resonate with that energy here on earth? And what about the timing and predictions of events? Evangeline Adams blew the public away with her predictions and people lined up for readings.
I have been astounded at the readings you have given me, and even was suspect at first because I did not want to believe what you told me. But in hind sight…it was all there. All my friends are tolerant if not out and out believers and when I tell them something about themselves they are amazed I know that. I like to see what reactions I get at parties and such and bring it up. I am not ashamed. Too bad if they are ignorant and maybe they will learn something. Bring it!
And Elsa…you ROCK!!
There are flakes and idiots in every profession, every field of study.
Simple but true.
A whole lot of folks think psychology and counseling are devil science too, and that is 100% to their detriment.
My attitude toward the haters? “WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ASTROLOGY? THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT.”
Same goes for people who dis my hometown, “WHEN’S THE LAST TIME YOU VISITED? NEVER? YOU DA EXPERT!”
It also helps to be willing to teach. A cool person will want to learn about something they don’t know anything about or at least hear you out. If they don’t, they don’t like to learn – they like to fight!
@lilithplutoniangirl – yeah, my “flake factor” is very low. I don’t even know that I have one.
I can only speak about Astrology to a few and even then I tell my like of tarot, angels, spiritualism etc and some are fascinated and some don’t get it at all. That’s fine, not everyone does. I don’t understand how some people can train spot or their love for planes or that there’s aliens but they have it. I think they’re weird. *shrugs* We’re all weird, flakes together I suppose.
I have been through the same thing in career, when practicing as a Classical Homoeopath and other healing arts combined.
I see these spiritual vocations as mostly needing to operate on the peripheral of society and nonetheless remain very valued and valuable.
It usually requires the Professionals to remain somewhat protected or slightly less public, but their value and input is an enormous one.
Doing/being this work is a spiritual calling. It does pay to keep a little back from the mainstream comments and critisms to protect one’s sense of self and purpose.
Late ’50s to mid60s my mother befriended a Catholic priest 3 towns over from a Catholic parish. He lived 6mos in US/6mos in So.America/missionary work. He was the koolest priest I have ever met and I was educated in Catholic schools. He knew everything about astrology/excorism/voodoo. He loved coming to our house for dinner and an evening of astrology–we would end up taking him back to the rectory well after midnight.
People on the street think were kooks because you have lame ass horoscope writers make up these fables in newspapers and magazines based on nothing.
Astrologers going into the general spotlight… I would rather they didn’t, because people would think we’re all delusional for believing the planets have effects on us. People these days are also very trollish and mean to everything they don’t understand right off the bat.
So rarely am I able to have internet access at this time, that I find myself grateful that with your post Elsa, I am able to today.
Just showing support for yourself and all those who are born with gifts to use in a way that the general society would condemn or make mockery of due to fear and/or ignorance. It is time for the occult (pluto) to be revealed as reality based (cap) to currently birthing society(aquarius) and help others through the pure neptunian fog (in pisces) that is now stronger than or opposing mental clarity (virgo)
To show by sheer good intent and dedication as you have, that the unseen has only stayed in the shadows to protect it from that ignorance, until such a time, as now, that is also of good and important purpose, unlike the reputation it was marred with when it was used so accurately in ancient times.
Yes the occult and its power can be used for ill and sadly has been, but its a powerful energy that may be chosen to use in a good faith, with good and dedicated hard work and training, which is occuring now.
Sadly, and I mean this genuinely, there will be many who will regret their words of ridicule in coming times, fortunately, alot in the various “energy science” fields are dedicated to the abilities they were born to succeed with, will help regardless.
This is not about fluffling anyone’s ego, its about honouring individuals who are unique like everyone else
@Elsa “LOL, Josephine. It’s not really funny, but what a mental picture.”
Yes, literally “mental!”
I bet I earned myself a whole new diagnosis, right there.
People think astrology is crap because CNN tells them to. But you know, individually at least some of these critics will eventually want and need the expertise of an experienced astrologer. Just like my skeptical scorpio- I got tired of him rolling his eyes at me so I just stopped talking about astrology with him. Then when the shits hitting the fan in his life its ‘Hey Ash, will you get one of those reports for me?” True story…and now he visits this site
I rarely talk about astrology but when I’ve had a few drinks I start guessing people’s sign and then all the stops are pulled.
The fascinating thing is that as soon as I begin talking to a couple about their relationship dynamics based on sun-signs (pretty basic stuff as far as astrology goes), everyone listens and waits to hear about their own relationships and I end up talking myself hoarse for the rest of the night. As a quiet Piscean that is very unusual for me.
It just astounds me that during “regular” hours subject matters such as living in harmony with the energy around you, past lives, karma, tensions and patterns, repetition, cycles of behavior, etc. are not broached but people secretly have a craving to hear about it. It seems to signal an underlying fearfulness in our society. It also astounds me that most people never ask, “why did I break with this friend?” “why do I attract the same kind of person over and over again?” and when I ask them these questions they are floored. Most people so rarely think of their lives as being part of a greater whole, or of having a karmic destiny to live out that they cannot fulfill without relating to others. That is why they need astrologers, even if they can’t admit it.
Even though a bit late, I had to jump in here.
This kind of prejudice is the reason I have been pretty secretive all those years about my astrology to most of the people I work with in my professional circle, which has nothing to do with spirituality whatsoever.
I have a few people I’m doing readings to on a regular basis within that circle but they are far few and between.
But I’ve come to a point where I am almost to the point where I can come out and, if people don’t like me for that, amen, I can live with it. Not quite there yet, because I am still making a living with my professional circle, but that kind of job is decreasing rapidly and the amount of readings I’m doing is increasing.
Also, I never read comments from news websites because generally, I do not have the time to waste to read the “one gem” I could find out of hundreds of trashy comments. Let alone comments of people who have no idea what real astrology counselling is like!
I, like you Elsa, know how much as astrological reading is valuable therefore I shall try to be brave and continue helping people!
Elsa, you are absolutely right:
“you get to be just about equal to the gum under someone’s shoe the minute you leave your sphere.”
And I think this is fair because astrologers should not leave their sphere but let people enter into their sphere instead, which is a place of universal truth and self-knowledge.
I like to shock people with it. It makes me giggle.
Maybe it’s because I’m an Aquarian. Or because I used to be in theater…then in poetry…
Maybe it’s because I’m judging just as hard as they are and if there’s no eyes widening, curiosity, and surprise there…and if I sense no attraction to magic and mystery and imagination…then meh. No hard feelings, but I’m probably not going to be very interested in them either. And that’s fine with me because why would I want to attract boring people?
Flaky, huh? At least flaky is memorable! At least flaky is unique! Who aspires to be average?
Life: If you fit in with the crowd – you’re not doing it right.
I work in electrophysiology. Surrounded by medical science types and I find it so strange that scientific people can be dismissive of astrology. If the moon can affect the tides, it’s definitely influencing you and I. Ironic how we’re so advanced; a tech society – but if you took away the Internet and grocery stores at this point, many of us would be rendered helpless in some embarrassing ways. We’ve evolved, as a society, to some mind blowing dependency. I’ve said before on this blog that I often wonder what happened to common sense. Before there were computers to do things for us, we used the stars. For direction, for weather, the quality of crops, famine, war, plague, etc. People learned the stars when they moved toward agriculture, a loooong time ago, and had an opportunity to look up and time to recognize patterns. They did this with their naked eyes. No glasses & certainly no hubble or NASA. As a species, we were able to make unbelievable advances with guidance from the sky. Why are people so quick to disdain things they don’t understand? I’ll never know but I know lots of financial people who listen to Merriman; the analyst astrologer. They don’t care how he gets his info, they only care that he’s right. Personally, who am I to say I have knowledge superior to Ptolemy, Cato, Galileo, Tsou Yen, Bonatti, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Brahe, Kepler, & Lilly – to name just a few? I think anyone who dismisses, out of hand, a thousands year old discipline is simply ignorant and I feel a little embarrassed for them.
What about when your though of as being just as crazy, but your not an astrologer? ;p There’s always a silver lining!
Hello Elsa,
Maybe I am a bit late with my response. I thought about this problem with astrology a lot. I started learning astrology when I was about 8 years old, like you. I have been learning ever since and I find astrology fascinating.
I never talk about this to people I meet the first time. Makes you very lonely at times.
But there it is ! I just know astrology works and my greatest wish would be for astrology to be taught in school, so that people would grow up thinking more about themselves and there role in the world and the universe. May be then the world would become a better place to live in, wouldn’t you agree??
At the same time I know most people are very afraid of exploring their own motives in life. Afraid to admit that life is more than just the superficial life most people live.
May be one day we will be understood and astrology will be combined with psychology and finally we will understand each other really.
Heads up from me.
greetings
willeke
There are many things that we don’t have the tools, yet, to measure. Astrology is one of those things. The future is full of possibility.
I am so interested in it and have just over the last year tried to understand it better. But, mention it to anyone and you get the eye roll.
I love what I am learning. It helps me more than anything else has. I know when my business is going to be slower and how to spend my time during that period so I am still productive. I know when to ‘shut my mouth’ and when to just breathe in and out. I can see certain types of people better now. I am finally starting to understand my grown children better and it takes some of the guilt away lol…. some of their stuff is just because of the time they were born… not because I was a hideous Mother :/
But, if you mention it to some people they look at you like you are satan. I have been told I am a sinner because of it. I have been asked if I have lost my marbles…and when trying to speak to a friend of 30 years about it she quickly reminded me she is now going to church (pick me up off the floor) and she can’t talk about such magic….(sleeping with a married man) oh brother…. guess we have finally out grown each other.
People giggle…or look at you like you need to have your IQ tested. I just quit talking about it. But I sparked an interest where my kids are concerned. They are actually trying to really consider it as other belief systems have failed them also.
I love knowing where I need to work harder on myself and I love knowing when a cycle is going to make things difficult so I can prepare, learn and be a better person.
I have no real idea why people trip on the subject. To me its finally the logic I was looking for.
As I look back the most profound thing I have learned has been about Saturn Returns…not mine so much as my Mothers. In her first Saturn Return she was in the ICU with my step-father waiting for him to recover from a tramatic brain injury. (car accident) She nursed him back (which took forever) to health. Fast forward to her 2nd Saturn Return…she was in the ICU with him again nursing him through a 2 month comma from a reaction to chemo. Both of her Saturn Returns were about taking care of her husband through near death and then finally death.
It this stuff isn’t truth….HA then I don’t know what is.
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True. It’s why I’m wary of mentioning my interest in astrology even to people I know. :/