Nope, but I do have mars in 9th and I see ideological battles everywhere. I am so confused and I feel turned around and backwards in a hall of mirrors.

At the moment, I am this girl at times, and one person I know here, at least, said that she sees me trying to lift myself up. It doesn’t help when others repeatedly see me as doing otherwise.

My fighting with one person, was and is not one-sided. We wouldn’t be fighting it he could see when he’s in the wrong and consistently being insensitive – consistently disregarding feelings. My judgement is usually very much “on” and I check it often, just in case it isn’t.

I wish there was an edit function here. Someone who knows me just told me that my judgement is excellent, and they volunteered that out of nowhere.

My husband and I also talk about this a lot recently due to a gal who we just couldn’t be friends with any longer. The self-undoing, lack of any kind of sound judgement, constant extreme complaining, has put her in a deep grave.

The icing on the cake was when she was putting other people in jeopardy and not being able to see it. I wanted to help but trying to save someone from their self-undoing? I don’t know how.. I lost my temper when it got into my family’s business. Not cool on my part at all .. should have written a letter instead!

Same ultra conservative Catholic blogger I referred to in the other Mars/Neptune thread.

I’ve long felt his judgement was way off; but he keeps on attacking the same issues he’s been railing against for who knows how many years.

Any attempt at logical discussion to help him see the other side’s view draws personal attacks (calling them “mental midgets” and such) on the poster, not what they’re trying to say.

His Mars/Neptune opposition hits MY Saturn/Neptune opposition. I no longer read or post there. Can’t sustain an argument with anyone like this.

happens to a lot of people under stress around here, but the worst example right now is the office guy who is a raging addict and just goes off on people and no one can figure out who’s the culprit.

“hey, want to go over this now or at 4?”
“I don’t want to talk to you! why are you talking to me? [looks around]”

“hey, had a good weekend?”
“I doubt it. And I bet yours was terrible. I don’t want to hear it.”

“[insert normal question]”
“excuse me? did you just say [something unrelated]? you’re a bitch!”

ad nauseum.

Me!

It started after one single phone call. Now I can’t sleep. I can’t believe I’m doing it. It’s absolutely futile but it’s keeping me awake.

Yes, but for me the’standing in the hole and digging deeper’took place much earlier,on 30th Oct.But what you have described is exactly what happened that day.I wanted some explanations from a close friend which were valid but the way I went about was totally irresponsible.I was upset and I wrote things which were hurtful.I had never before used such hurtful words and I regreted it later but harm was already done and through this whole week I have been asking my friend to forgive me but he hasn’t said a word.I dont know when or if that person will ever forgive me.Elsa,do you think things will get better once Mars/Neptune opp breaks off? Or has the damage been done permanently? And could this effect have been felt one week earlier?

I have this aspect natally as well. Over the years I have dealt with it mostly by detaching myself from my anger bc I don’t trust my judgment in the heat of the moment. I step back, analyze, and only communicate the anger in a controlled way with heavy boundaries on emotional outbursts. Mercury Saturn allows for that.

I think this aspect is very useful for getting me to transcend or let go of anger, ultimately. I am truly capable of nonattachment in that realm.