Under The Scorpio Moon: Who Does Your Life Belong To?
Ask the collective.
It does seem that my mother is coming to the end of of her life. After talking to both my sisters in the last hour, a few things are really clear.
One of them is that we all believe a person owns their life. They are entitled to live it however they choose, for good or ill. We were absolutely taught that another person’s life is not out business. We were also taught that you should never interfere or be an impediment to a person making choices in the process of living their life. Basically, if a person wanted to go from point A to point B, your job was to get out of their way because it is none of your business. It follows that none of us like people in our business and if you wonder about that, try to get into mine and watch what happens. Same thing with my sisters.
It’s nice to find we are all in agreement on this. It helps to be united when your mother is dying. However, I am aware of people (like my husband) who other beliefs and this causing me to have some questions.
I wonder what other people thing about this. When is a person obligated? Obligated to another person or obligated to God or to whatever?
For example, if I was diagnosed with cancer, even at stage 2, I would not want to fight for my life. I simply would not want to treat it but I WOULD treat it because my husband and my son would want me to try not to die and I would feel an obligation. In other words, when I decided to get married and had children, I gave up my right to act without considering them. I am no longer independent.
Who does your life belong to? What is the origin of your beliefs?

31 Responses to “Under The Scorpio Moon: Who Does Your Life Belong To?”
I feel obligated to leave this place nicer than I found it. I feel obligated to have made a difference in at least one person’s life. If I have made just one person’s life better as opposed to worse then I have not wasted this gift of life.
Don’t know where this comes from, I have always felt this way. Maybe it’s my 9th house Sag stuff.
Until recently, I would have answered “Solely me”
Yet, I’ve recently been made aware of this fact too “In other words, when I decided to get married and had children, I gave up my right to act without considering them. I am no longer independent.” However, THAT decision was also mine (to get married, have children and no longer be solely independent) so that brings me back to square one. It’s still me behind the decisions regarding my life. It is still a choice. Still. I can choose to regard my families wishes or to carry out what I feel is best even if they don’t agree or understand. I would expect them to voice their opinions in that direction, would ask for them. But, I would also ask for their trust and the reciprocity of their understanding when I have made my decision. The liability goes both ways. From me to them and from them to me. Interdependence.
I will continue to keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers (((ELSA)))
(((Elsa Annalisa and family)))
My life belongs to me. The origin of my beliefs…I think this is innate. When I was two I took off on my family while at a local fair. I wanted to see the horses. That was that–I was gone. Never occurred to me to ask anyone to take me. It was just, going to see the horses. Bye bye. Even though I was so little I remember the feeling very clearly. I have had bouts of feeling helpless but they are moods more than a mental state that threatens to become permanent, if that makes sense.
I’m obligated to my mother, obviously.
Here’s a fun dilemma for you: one person wants to be allowed to die should fatal illness occur to them…and their SO does not want to allow them to whatsoever. What happens? In my experience, the sick person lives on because whoever is able to talk to and cry at the doctors wins that discussion.
My parents and my sister, as well as myself. They are all highly independent, and I think even if my wishes were different from theirs, if they were sick, I would come around if it was what they really wanted. i.e. My dad doesn’t want to end up in a wheelchair, being dependent on others, wearing diapers, etc. He’s said things like, “shoot me, before it gets to that.”
I’m sorry to hear about your mother.
(((Elsa))) My sympathy to you and your sisters. It’s so hard when a parent dies.
If my parents were still alive I would feel obligated to them.
I feel some obligation to my 25 yr old son but I also feel he needs to stop needing me so much.
It’s taken nearly 57 years but I sorta think I am obligated to myself. After taking care of everyone except myself for most of my life (saturn scorpio) it feels somehow ok to be a priority in my own life.
((Elsa))
Sad news. Sending love to the Panizzon family. I hope your mother can avoid suffering as much as possible.
((Elsa, Annalisa & all))
Elsa, you and your family will be in my prayers. Losing a parent is difficult. I hope that you find comfort in your memories of your mother.
As for my obligation….for today my obligation is to me. If tomorrow that changes I can be available to take of someone in need. I have spent most of my life taking care of others and I just really feel the need to take care of myself.
((Elsa, Annalisa, + family)) My thoughts will be with you. I’ve yet to lose a parent, but I can imagine that it must help a ton to have each other and be ‘united’ in the process.
I definitely feel obligated to consider those that I love and that love me, as I know they would do the same.
I am sorry about your mom.
Thanks everyone, who has mentioned me, my mother or my family. I appreciate it. I know people are curious but I can’t elaborate about this because the situation is very confusing. When I posted on the boards about this last night, people made assumptions that are very wrong and I don’t have the time or energy to clarify things, so I deleted the thread. Um… Annalisa and I both have Neptune conjunct our MC in Scorpio so it’s activated at the moment. It’s a burden you can’t see and because of that, it’s pretty easily to inadvertently add to it.
I do know my a priest visited my mother early this evening. Regardless of how that sounds the situation is beyond merely clouded. I can tell you that both, Annalisa and I are okay and I expect we will both continue to be okay regardless of what happens. My explanation for that is this: We’re from the desert.
I am a very private person so I would appreciate it if people could be considerate of this. There are questions I just can’t answer because they lead to more questions and as you all know, I have a lot to do to keep this blog alive.
Thanks.
Sorry to hear about your Mom,Elsa.
My life belongs to those I’ve pledged it to…including myself.
No questions, Elsa. Just love and support for you and your family during this difficult time.
You, your mom and family are in my prayers.
My life changed when I became a mother. Everything I do, I do with my children in mind. They are the only ones on this planet right now that I feel any obligation to. Mars in Leo Trine Sun in Aries – mutual reception. I fight for my kids because my kids are a part of me. I will always feel this way.
I felt obligated to my exes up until certain points. Then, they were on their own.
My parents. I would have refused treatment too if I didn’t understand that they would experience profound pain based off that decision.
All my prayers are with you.
Much love (((Elsa and family)))
I think you are obligated to your Parents, your kids & your SO. Perhaps your siblings…
I hope your Mother is at Peace with herself, if it’s her time to go. Much love to you, Annalisa & all your Family <3
Your family is in my prayers Elsa and Annalisa.
My life belongs to me, but I share it with my loved ones. I don’t think anyone would try to interfere with my decisions, but if I were to get sick, I’d fight it too for their sake. Plus I’m not ready to go yet!
When my father decided it was ok to leave he was revived even though he had a DNR. It was a week of closure and finding peace. He had an opportunity to make peace with his family. He never really did. I did in my own way by bringing him little things that I knew would comfort him. I chose to celebrate the good things. It was a conclusion, a last episode so to speak. I was sad for not having great waves of emotion. Not everyone has Ward Cleaver as a father. Peace and healing to you Elsa and AnnaLisa. ((HUG)))
“Here’s a fun dilemma for you: one person wants to be allowed to die should fatal illness occur to them…and their SO does not want to allow them to whatsoever. What happens? In my experience, the sick person lives on because whoever is able to talk to and cry at the doctors wins that discussion.”
That’s what happened to my poor father, kept alive in agony long after he should have been allowed to go. He begged me to help him – to push his painkilling medicine within his reach – and I was too scared of ending up in court which would have been inevitable. I’m ashamed of that still, thirty years later. My mother was from a medical family and could always play the doctors like a piano…
I hope whatever transpires Elsa and Annalisa, you can find some serenity and closure.
Elsa, thinking of you and yours at this time of transition, and wishing you strength and peace.
i feel obligated to stay alive and well for my son. i feel obligated to live my life well for god, for myself, for mankind – that the joy in doing this is integrated in all three, and does not conflict each other. i believe in karma, and also in catholicism’s idea that the greatest act of love is ‘to lay one’s life for thy neighbor.’ i can choose to die (either metaphorically or physically) but i consider that a denial of god’s gift to me, and my karma would be subsequently affected in my afterlife.
Sending peace and love to your family , I have been thru this situation too and always have stood on the edge of the drama because going to the other side for me is a natural thing an adventure I await.
I guess the last thing you want to discuss is the personal situation beyond what you shared already, and I’m also sure you will know how much support is on tap if you ever did need that,Elsa, and from my experience, these times,whatever else they may or may not be, are even more intensely private, so I’ll quietly hope that whatever you are dealing with,your own support system, internal or external, is working well, and just say in response to your question,that I personally think Pluto has a lot to say about feelings of obligation and indebtedness and of being at times emotionally held hostage for reasons that are really hard to verbalise…and there’s a lot of obligatedness in my life, through circumstance which I never “signed up for”, but it’s do-able. I would also struggle with the terminal or incurable diagnosis of any sort, and want to exit in my own way..but have to think of others. Guess most decent folk have that dilemma. Hugs x
See, lindiloo, that is what makes me crazy. I am sorry but none of what you wrote relates to me and my situation or my family is even the tiniest way.
I can’t tell you how upsetting it is to have people address me like this. Who are you talking to? Who are talking about and why is my name attached?
Obligated? Indebted? Hostage? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
I think people should keep their imaginations to yourself. They hurt people.
I hope you don’t respond to this. I know you mean no harm but this *is* harm. I just can’t stand conversations and concerns people have with a me that doesn’t even exist.
My life belongs to me, ultimately. There is no one to consider; all my family is gone and I am unmarried with no children.
It’s funny, Elsa, that you write about making the choice not to be treated if you were diagnosed with cancer. I’ve been thinking the very same thing for quite a while now, and it’s strange to me to see other people verbalize it.
i think the most important decisions we make are what parts of ourselves we are willing to trade, and for what…
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I feel obligated to my parents. I feel obligated to be the best person I can.
They intentionally only had one child because we were poor. They worked overtime for years so that I would have a better life than they did.