i think it depends on how bound the person chooses to feel by certain things. since about age five i have always felt responsible for taking care of someone (i’m the oldest of my siblings…) though that person has changed. how i choose to let that affect my perceptions of what freedoms are available to me has usually been the kicker.
i have a saturn/uranus/mercury t square (in loose orb to the moon for a grand cross) and i have long struggled with social (uranus) limits on how i express myself. i am learning, again, that it’s my perceptions of what threatens my security that are more limiting than the actual social forces. i am constantly balancing what values override others in a specific situation. i will likely always have to do this. i’m ok with that, though i’m aware other people don’t feel so restricted. this aspect is also reflected in one of my greatest strengths. i’m not complaining. it just is.

I struggle like crazy to evolve to a level which is truly “mine” – but people has been holding me down my whole life..The family I was born in had a lot of envy and violence in it – so I have deep traumas.
Have seen a lot of times that people with parents that treat them bad – often meet heavy obstacles in their career, emotional life when they get older..
A mothers or a fathers curse is strong.

Every time my husband amasses anything, he gets wiped out. There is a pattern in his family…everyone know this.

http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/2008/11/06/pluto-transit-to-the-moon-mine-last-gasp-plus-pluto-transit-the-11th-loss-of-friends-wishes-hopes-and-dreams/

The dialogue on this story is somewhere – I’ve no time to look but I surely knew this when I decided to be with him.

I would say I’m mostly free. Any boundaries I ever had were ones I put on myself. Makes sense with Saturn in the 1st.

A – you amuse my husband with that and he in turn told me jokes. I might have a little French in me.

My sister chose to be bound her entire life – which is strange as she’s a Sag Sun. She won’t even go for a walk by herself with the dog – she’s too scared to be ‘alone in the woods’ both literally and metaphorically.

I travel alone by choice but I keep getting huge knockbacks in life, especially in my career but also in my personal life. When I began to understand my chart, it became clear those were always on the cards… My Jupiter is conjunct Chiron (and Juno is conjunct both), in Libra House 2. It’s totally afflicted: it squares almost all my personal planets so my chart is a mass of T-squares, all focussed on Jupiter H2.

I’m quite glad I didn’t know that when I was younger as I might have used it as an excuse not to keep trying to pick myself up

autumn, what an interesting comment. My husband definitely believes in past lives can tell you exactly why he is bound and also that he deserves to be and will be for a long, long time to come.

Now we are married and he believes we will (most likely) be together from here on out (countless lifetimes). He talks to me about things like to spare me acting in ways that would have me lose freedom in the future… but it doesn’t really matter. I am running my life. But he is very clear on the idea you will absolutely pay for what you do and says he’s learned the hard way.

It’s hard to convey this on a blog. There are privacy concerns but also people don’t have a large appetite when it comes to hearing about other people’s hardship but I can assure that anyone and everyone who has known my husband to any degree, knows he is screwed. They don’t know why (he doesn’t tell them) but he elected to tell me both when we were kids and again in 2003, most likely because he knows (as do I) that we are meant and made for each other.

Now I tried to avoid his burden when I was a teen. Wised up about this 25 years later and look forward to our future, regardless of what it holds.

Crazy* lol

I asked my sister this problem (8th House Moon/Merc in Gemini + Pluto/Libra ASC)–

“That’s all we are, one big experiment. Hopefully we’re a success, haha.”

Like autumn, I believed in the past lives theory.

I experienced several “past life regressions” and they did answer why I was feeling or going through certain traumas. But, I never trust my interpretation of things. We can only understand something from our perspective, which is always limited.

Is past life memories truly our past lives? Or is it our brain making up stories under hypnosis to solve current problems?
Or are we tuning into the collective unconscious when we experience a regression?

As you can tell, I have Saturn in Sag.

Well, another comment went into the spam folder. It was about past life regressions. I’ve got memory problems so I can’t remember what I wrote. I hate to bug Elsa again, maybe she’ll see it

I’ve experienced several past life regressions and they did coincide with issues I was dealing with, and helped me accept my situation.

How ironic. I can remember past lives, but I can’t remember what I wrote 5 minutes ago.

I wanted to clarify my previous comment as I think (as I feared) it would not be understood. It’s extremely common in southern Italy as well as other rural parts of italy to protect oneself from “the evil eye” as unintentional and intentional hexing actually occurs on a daily basis. The villages and communities are small so the energy does not disperse/shift around like in other areas. There are other reasons why I think it’s more common in these communities but suffice to say that it’s a belief system that has been around for centuries. Carlo Levi famously wrote about it in Cristo si e fermato a Eboli (Christ stopped at Eboli).

Anyway, my comment “if you’re as Italian as you say you are” was in reference to this common belief system in many parts of Italy. I even recall one of the regulars here (I forget her name though . . . I think it may be Daisy ? but not sure) commenting on Christmas Eve that she had to learn the prayer for taking this stuff off people. I’m assuming she’s American Italian and referring to the tradition that only on Christmas Eve can one learn the “special” prayer and ritual for taking off the evil eye. Anyway, this is the stuff that I’m referring to and yes, it’s all quite Pagan but it’s a belief system nonetheless. I have had Chilean and Argentinian friends who have been brought up in a similar way so I don’t think it’s just a southern/rural Italian thing.

Apologies if I offended anyone – that was not my intention. And no, I am not a troll. Just offering another belief system re why bad things sometimes happen.

I appreciate the depth of this post. For many years, I tried to outrun the intensity of my chart withot knowing the fullness of the binding and the potential for transformation. At some point in early adulthood I felt, like you Kashmiri, that I was here to ‘break family patterns’. I still believe that, but if you don’t know what the patterns are it’s tough to know whether you’re on the right path.

My son has begun to offer pieces of the pattern that I had no access to. His Libra and 1st H Scorpio penetrates my illusions. He probes, and is unearthing the Kapu (secrets) that give names and reasons for the burdens. Like the discussion on pagan traditions, the ancient Hawaiian traditions include the use of dark magic. I look at my bound life with increasing awareness and fewer escapes based on faulty information; and credit astrology with the ‘cures’ of a Jupiter in Sag offering windows of joy with routine flash of insight from my Uranus in the 6thH.

Re-patterning beliefs = accessing the long road between my South Node in Scorpio and my North Node in Taurus. Journeying being part of the stepping away-breaking of family patterns.