8th House Perspective… Stabbed In Back? No Problem!
Hi Elsa,
Awhile back I read some advice you gave regarding betrayal. You wrote about the idea that if someone stabs you in the back, that knife is yours to keep forever. Now I’ve been pondering this, but have yet to figure it out completely. Would you mind enlightening me a bit more with expanding on why keeping the knife is seen as beneficial?
A Reader
Great question, thank you. Sometimes I say these things knowing they are home truths but not knowing no one knows what I am talking about!
First, I did not specify “back”. It has nothing to do with being stabbed in the back. I am talking about being stabbed, period. When someone stabs you, there is an energy exchange. If someone hits you, same thing. If someone oppresses you in any way they are giving you energy. If someone kisses you, same thing. If they yell at you or if they give you a present, they are transferring their energy to you and at the point the energy is yours and therefore it is yours to use.
I hold that energy is neutral until directed. So when this persons lashes out, you now have their energy and what you do with it is completely up to you. For the record, I learned this by being stabbed! Someone stabbed me when I was 15 years old and I pulled the knife out of my arm and just looked at the guy like this: “What do you think you’re doing, fool? Who do you think you are stabbing, you stupid son of a bitch? Me?”
So think about that. He’s got all this rage and he sticks a knife in me. I immediately neutralized his energy. It was like a hard-on gone soft. I am sure I looked at him as if to say, “Try that again and I’ll kill you.” He didn’t stab me again.
It’s years later and I own that knife. Don’t you think? Who has the knife? Me? Or him? And don’t you think I’m just a tad fearless courtesy that experience?
So that is what I did with that energy as opposed to letting it crush me. As opposed to spending the next twenty years in abusive relationships, getting re-victimized. But let me come back with another example, not so extreme. Because this phenomena happens every day all around you and if you can get hip to this, the benefits are endless.
Are you adept at transforming negative energy? Tell us.
the o’jays-back stabbers
48 Responses to “8th House Perspective… Stabbed In Back? No Problem!”
Oh and I like the image of the hard-on gone soft, because it’s exactly that: you make them impotent.
great post
I was stabbed just last week, actually. By a Scorpio who’s waited two years… All that was left to wonder was what form it would take. No biggie, it turned out. I saw this one coming for several months…:p
My Sun is in Virgo/8th; My reaction most of the time is very similar to yours, Elsa.
I just don’t do revenge. Wonder if this is one of the the fundamental differences between 8th house suns and solar Scorpios? Not all Scorpios do revenge, I’m sure;) But I know many of them and they all take revenge – eventually. I tend to trust that most people learn from their mistakes without my help – but then again, I’m terribly naive in many respects. Currently taking a lesson in realpolitik (Pluto in Cap square my Mercury).
I suck on candy canes till the ends are sharpened then *POOSH*
ho ho ho.
It’s a very valuable lesson and one it took me years to learn. My sun-pluto conj and scorpio rising could have led me down a way different path. I am feral in battle but I must pick very carefully or I end up destroying myself.
Is that a Scorpio/Pluto/8th thing – transforming negative stuff?
Anyway, that post reminded me of this zen story.
Is that a Scorpio/Pluto/8th thing – transforming negative stuff?
yes. all energy – any energy which means the meaner you are the luckier I get. 
I think that the evolved expression of that scorpio knife is to use it on the energy connection between you, not the actual person. that way you leave no knife behind, and no trail. stealth.
Jilly, thanks for that link! I saw some of myself in another story there:
http://www-usr.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/selfcontrol.html
“I am feral in battle but I must pick very carefully or I end up destroying myself” GAH. me too. Must be my Mars opposed Pluto.
what bothers me more is when i feel like they’re trying to suck me dry… pull away my energy..
which seems far easier to do with words…
“i feel like they’re trying to suck me dry… pull away my energy..”
I always feel it’s meant to be and largely complementary.
Or when someone quietly provokes you into slapping their face and you realize they’ve won, it’s a reference to when Uriah Heep provokes David Copperfield to slapping him.
i like how you think, and i am going to use this, thanks!
Ahh… this is SO great. I love these ass-kicking lessons that you dispense.
This is insanely interesting. I can say “yes” but I can’t answer fully I’ll have to ponder awhile. But I love your perspective on this. I just do.
I remember this post Elsa – introduced me to a whole new way of thinking about this sort of thing! Gives you a victory you didn’t know you had; very eye-opening. Thanks for the reminder.
Wow Elsa, I just got cussed out this morning with much negative energy it definitely felt like a knife stabbed in the pit of my stomach. After the call, got on the computer and clicked on your site and boy what a great thread to read this morning. At this point the negative energy is already transformed. Thanks Elsa you are the bomb!!! 
I like this one! I received another one yesterday:
Holding a grudge is letting someone live rent free in your head.
Great post!
Ooohhhhh. What a fantastic post. I really need to consider this deeply. How I deal with stabbing… WOW. This is a gem.
Well shoot, I am filled with envy.
It must be so nice to get it right up front, to KNOW you’re being attacked, and with what, and where, and by whom!
I could deal with that so easily, which is probably why that is not my situation at all.
oh yeah. i have a dark sense of humor so negative energy entertains me (leo-scorpio).
i am also able to neutralize negative energy by placing it within a wider perspective (9th house stellium).
Good one Pixie. Great post and great replies all around.
“What do you think you’re doing, fool? Who do you think you are stabbing, you stupid son of a bitch? Me?”
Oh….lol Elsa…
Love this post and excited for the to be continued.
“Are you adept at transforming negative energy?”
Yes.
For instance, after I realized that this site is “open” meaning everything we write, albeit under pseudonyms, is ending up on google under our real names, I decided to keep on posting and USE this invasion of privacy in my own way and for my own purposes.
Well it’s true, eva. You can read about it in my book. I was doing the dishes, see. And I pulled the knife out of my arm and tossed into the sink of hot water…glaring a death stare.
Hey Mercingemini, I’m not sure about that. I googled my pseudonym and real name and neither came up. Perhaps though I chose a pseudonym that’s a little harder to track down.
“Is that a Scorpio/Pluto/8th thing – transforming negative stuff?
yes. all energy – any energy which means the meaner you are the luckier I get.”
This makes me fear my next week’s solar return a bit less. 8th house stellium, of which sun square pluto and opposite uranus! Just hope I don’t get victimized in anyway…
Talking about that, what is your opinion on Solar Return relocation? Or whatever it’s called when you move places on the Solar Return, so as to change it??
Really need to read this today. My car was stolen over the weekend with so many things I loved including things I needed, school books for teaching, student work, external hard drive, clothes to laundry, paperwork, private and sentimental things–as I am constantly on the go and live out of that car. My car was found yesterday in a not so nice neighborhood. The catalytic converter is gone and the door is busted. Not good. The car isn’t driveable as of now. But I cried over the things that were important to me that can not be replaced, things that are archived with love and sweetness. Deep sigh. All the while, I have felt anxious and restless, trying to work out of some kind of alchemical equation in my head. And I so needed to hear “the energy is yours and therefore yours to use.” Hearing that was just what I needed to solidify the direction I could feel myself moving in. I am quickly making some empowering decisions now. Thank you.
A less extreme example in my own life. My ex is trying to “stick it” to me as we separate. He keeps upping the ante on possessions to take from the marital home and lessening what he wishes to contibute, raising the heat slowly to boil me with my well known security issues. Instead of letting it totally cook me, I’m using the energy to re-evaluate my relationship with material things.
How weird.. I had been thinking of this past post of yours Elsa for the last couple of weeks. I was racking my brain trying to remember how it went. Last time you posted it I had questions about it- similar to the other reader. Thank you so much for posting it again, I’ve gained a much deeper understanding. I’ve recently had some heavy duty energy coming at me which I realize now I successfully neutralized.
It must be pluto in scorp–no other scorp/8th house to speak of–but I have always secretly enjoyed a little oppression here and there. I guess I’ve instinctively known the benefit of it, and how to use it to my advantage. Also why I am not likely to seek revenge on someone, just not worth it. “Worth” being the key word, it COSTS you to stab someone. Thanks for this Elsa, I had forgotten about it and felt very confused as a result (scorp in my 4th house, foundation!) This post has helped me put the pieces together, without power/energy I have no base and literally nothing is possible. I needed this!
Just to clarify- I dont seek the knife but if you get it then might as well see the bright side. That’s what I was trying to say.
12th house sun, squaring pluto & inconjunct neptune. Merc/mars in my 1st, 1degree sextile to pluto. If I can’t transform it, then I’ll transcend it,
Angie
I had a guy try to hold up my store – never saw an actual gun, just the bulge in his pocket. It was lunchtime, normally a busy time. I looked at him incredulously and said, “Are you crazy??? There’s a cop posted right there on the corner, and customers are going to start pouring in any moment!” He said, “Is there really a cop?” I said “yes, ever since they cleaned up the park down the street, and the traffic moved here!” He backed out of the store quite fearfully.
I then went to report this to the officer on the corner, but there was no officer there at all.
yes-Scorpio sun
Music4Am- You’re exactly right! It’s more about transcending the energy, than transforming the energy.
Powerful post. Thanks.
My take on the phrase is this
Sometimes when one stabs you in the back they actually give you ammo in the process to use against them. So in a way arming you in case you ever wanted to escalate the violation.
The other part I have taken from this is, if it is good enough for you to do this to me then it should be good enough for me to do to you, watch your back type of thing, then hold that over their head for a while.
Interesting, Bruce.
I tend to get away from someone who stabs me as quickly as possible and never get within range again.
Elsa, In my personal life you are absolutely correct, I wouldn’t want to waste my time with such people.
But sometimes in places in peoples lives like work when dealing with a particular person is not really a choice, I know for myself anyways, I am forced to deal with these types all the time and cannot just distance myself from them. However I don’t allow them to do these types of things twice. Usually giving them all the rope they need gets them out of my way as they usually end up becoming their own worst enemies.
Bruce, I think anyone who stabs me is already is their own worst enemy.
And welcome, anita! I forgot to say so.
Elsa, true =)
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Oh yes. I know about this. Same experience here which saved me from …well rape probably. Looked the guy with the knife who said he was going to kill me in the eye and kindly asked him to try it on someone else. He left. I was 17. I wonder whether I would have the guts now. Seems that you need to keep practicing these skills. (but I pray not in those circumstances)