Uhhhh….Since I have 3 planets in Scorpio would I be one of those “lurkers”?! Good grief, that is definitely not what I want to be.

If I am a “lurker” then how do I come out of the shadows? Any advice?

I wonder on this question. I have several scorpios that I know. I believe they may always be in my life. I guess, once they trust you, they are loyal to you. I suppose if another passion comes along, they may move along, but I suspect they stay in contact. That has been my experience. I dont get too caught up in the scorpio control thing anymore. I was raised by one. I may have become immune.

Is there a difference between stalking and lurking, Elsa?

Hmm… in my experience… the male scorpion is unbelievably patient and will wait forever for the “right thing” that is worthy of him. So, if he is in a relationship, he must on some level think it “right.” The ones I know would rather be alone than with the wrong one who would deplete their energy…

Not sure about the women. My mother was scorpio but she was so secretive… and put up with a lot (i.e. unhappy relationships).

I am not scorpio but do have Pluto in the 1st. And Elsa’s answer actually kind of fits me… I would stay for the resources/energy…. once that dropped off… it would be pretty hard to stay. So it doesn’t have to be love… but it has to be SOMETHING…

I know several Scorpios who are very unhappy in relationships… oddly with other Scorpios. It’s like they’re fighting to the death, neither one willing to let go. I have no idea why they can’t let go when the relationship is clearly destroying everyone concerned. They make me want to tear my hair out… especially when the men come to me for peace and quiet to recharge their batteries so they can gather enough strenght to go back to their partners (until the next time they nearly kill each other).

WOW! I love scorpios!….and I hate them…and I love them. They are the pitbulls of skies. Like Cassi may be I am inmunized against them. May be still the hate ties them more than love. My best friend trough years is a scorpio ascendant (with mars conjunt asc in scorpio) I think he is the only person that can understand me, and wait for my return because I am phobic to commitment, I stop rapidly and easily friendships that I do with the same facility – He have a venus-libra and a sadge stellium (with jupiter in it) He is not a lurker, nevertheless has attacked secretly several blogs and sites, and other times openly in the name of “truth” I call him a crusade man at the wrong time

For some reason you tickled both my funny-bone and my truth-bone, Elsa (usually one at a time, it is). It explained… a LOT. About a lot.

I agree with the other Scorpios — it’s not about being alone, its about loyalty and commitment. I stand with someone I love until all possible hope is gone… but like caramia said, when I’m done, I’m done.

And I do have a habit of staying in relationships that are less than healthy… I just know that when its over, it will truly be over. And i want to give it a good chance to work before giving up on it.

<y message before is supposed to say “I don’t mind my lurker status”. I was writing really fast and mis-spelled words, becuase my sister was lurking over my shoulder and asking what i was doing. So it seems that i really do feel more comfortable lurking than actually making comments… i wouldnt have minded her being there so much if i was just reading. But i still wouldnt have wanted her there.. Haha am i secretive, or what?

“Sting or wing?” Like characteristics or something? I am interested, 4tuna.

4tuna – Dang! That’s impressive. Thanks for posting this… I will post it on the front of the blog so it gets a larger audience if you like. Who do I credit?? 4tuna? Do you have a blog or a website?

*blinkblink* 4tuna, that list is awesome!!! I’d love to see one for the other signs as well, it’d really help me to see what I need to work on to be my best self. Where can I find more info?

For the original question, it seems like this is a function of Venus, right? So would a Scorpio Venus stick around if he didn’t love someone?
From my experience, absolutely!
My current man is Mars-Venus-Uranus conjunct in Scorpio, 12th with Scorp rising. His MO has always been to stick around but withdraw emotionally and ween his partner off slowly so that the pain of seperation is less (in his words). Which, IMHO, is bullshit. It’s likely gonna hurt your partner anyway, so just amputate! Which, I guess is the difference between Mars-Venus-Uranus conjunct and Mars-Venus-Pluto conjunct. But like everyone has said, once a Scorp falls out of love, the feelings are dead and buried and will not, cannot be resurrected. At least not as far as I’ve seen.

I’ve heard of the Sting and Phoenix. But, not until now the Dove.
It reminds me of someone that is Pisces sun with Moon and Rising Scorpio. This person fits the Dove so well. I didn’t realize it until reading this. Cool!

Where was I when this thread began in Feb 08? Geez, living on the streets … reading this now and it’s a perfect time to stroke the DOVE in me Scorpian soul. Thank you 4Tuna whereEVER you are.

yeah, unhuh – till we burn the house down!

The Scorpio ex who got engaged within months after me, married an Aries, supported *her* through college, and she became a Doctor. (I’m a single mother.)
I’d say he got something out of supporting *her*, not me.

@Morgan: what scorpio marries and aries? I think he sounds shady even beyond being just a dirtbag…

i love these threads.. i can pull out the bits and pieces that make me scorp, and that don’t. 4tuna’s list from way back when is awesome!! i am totally all of those these; both sides.

as for staying in a relationship for the energy, even if it isn’t right. YEP. but i think for me, i’ve stayed because i thought that it could become right (there was a long time when i thought/hoped i could influence/change people for the better.. that time is done). but all of those relationships ended of course.. the energy fizzled/became stagnant/toxic.

at this point (after being bombarded by saturn for the past two years), i am happy to say my ideas of relationships have changed. i am now more so on the “wing” side of the spectrum. my relationships are still based on levels of energy, but now it is more the combination of energy rather than what i can leach off another.

Scorpio sun, rising and Mars here.

I am intensely loyal, so I will stick around when others have packed it in, but I won’t stick around forever. Once the line is finally, firmly crossed, there’s no going back.

I was married for 15 years, and was only in love with my husband for 6 of them. The next ten was deciding if I really wanted out, and then gathering the resources to leave. I even told my husband I was working on my exit strategy, and yet he was completely surprised when I actually did leave.

PS. I have tended to stay in too long. But sooner or later the rot and decay will get to me. Leave or die. I probably could take a lesson from that message on the wall thing and save myself some hardship.

Scorp rising and lurker here. Because it’s hard for me to place more than 3 intelligible words together (native french) and because Elsa’s great advices + she talks so sincere and so smart. Thanks Elsa, I love U

ps: I’m ok with DharmicDrummer, I’d said the same if I could

Hi Elsa, it’s been awhile since I too have commented on your blog. I have a stellium in Scorpio; including the sun.
Capricorn gives me purpose and strength. I admire your focused concentration and dry sense of humor
Love
Kelly

Thanks Rantares. I’m just now realizing that I really don’t give a damn about him anymore. You’ve just validated that for me.

I totally agree with the Elsa answer. I have been married to a Scorpio for many years.

Bjork is a crazy scorpio she beat up a reporter once! Probably more we haven’t heard of. I’m afraid of her. Oh and my sister the scorpio when we were kids she would always get my arms in a deadlock position. She was violent. But she overcame her violent ways (actually we were having fun but she was also a violent chick like me) and is now working with severely retarded children. So she ascends her lower instincts every day with that job thank god! or we’d be in serious trouble lol. Don’t let her catch me writing this lmao. Ah I love her.