Getting Drunk Over My Disappering Work and A Poll Regarding Crimes Of Passion
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This is from 2008. Prior to the Astro Dispatch there was something called The Top 10 Astrology News. I worked on the site for two years, making a tremendous investment only to wake up one morning and find the site gone. My work (Saturn) had disappeared (Neptune).
I was pissed and disoriented. That lasted a couple days and then I went into a sort of stress mode when people (other astrologers) started emailing. “Where is the Top 10?”
HQ and the Mechanic start brainstorming how we could replace the site and in this process I got so mad for all this stress and work, I decided to get drunk which I’d threatened all week. I told HQ I wanted a drink and he mailed back, “Why a drink?”
“Because I don’t smoke pot, eat acid or shoot up…” I said.
He didn’t answer so I might have misinterpreted the question but anyway here is my question for you:
Do you believe there is such a thing a a crime of passion? I would like to discuss this topic… I luv this topic with my criminal mind but first what do y’all think:
Follow up – Research Shows Crimes Of Passion Do Not Exist
29 Responses to “Getting Drunk Over My Disappering Work and A Poll Regarding Crimes Of Passion”
I do. A very good friend confessed to me recently that he hospitalized the man who walked up to him and said “I’ve fucked your girlfriend, ha ha ha.”
I found the whole episode distressing but not exactly shocking. I can’t judge. I’ll leave that to someone else. Or as the old saying goes ‘There but by the grace of God, goes I.’
Boy, I understand your frustration, Elsa. What a strange situation: precisely when Astro News was in full speed, Top 10 comes back – it’s probably jealousy of the latter.
As for the crimes of passion, yes, of course. And I’m guilty of at least one. Nothing that would lead me to jail, but something regrettable enough.
hm. drunkness. sounds like a FABulous idea. mind if I make it my own?
uhm. most violence seems to be fueled by some sort of passion….
I know a woman who shot another woman when she saw, through a window, her husband cheating on her. She killed the woman through the window, spent a lot of years in the federal pen, brought great shame on her family, and so forth. Is any man worth that? I mean, killing the woman will not make the man any less of a creep, not to mention he parties for years while you sit in prison getting obese on starchy ‘food.’
In an attempt to protect ones own children is a different matter. Protecting the kids is a ‘natural’ response while killing another woman (or the husband, for that matter) strikes me as careless and immature.
I know that suicide is considered a crime, and many of the cases I am studying right now are then crimes of passion. I am focusing on the ones who took the fastest option, namely, gun to the head or heart, hanging, and jumping. Slower processes are slitting the wrists and carbon monoxide. The slowest, I guess, is drugs, and I am leaving out those cases because I am not sure it is always intentional.
I can’t see how anyone could shoot themself, jump or hang themself in any other than a moment of ‘passion’ which really only means that your mind has been allowed to run away with your life.
With Scorpio rising and lots of Pluto…It’s not the crimes of passion that get me. It’s the unprovoked,horrific, unexplainable ones like the guy here in Canada who a few days ago cut off his seatmates head on a Greyhound bus, decapitated him and ate some of the corpse. It’s too perverse and inhuman. How do you explain that?
But it still does not make it ok. Besides, having it about up to here with this or that and imbibing in a big tall glass of relax isn’t a crime to me.
Are ya a Leo or Aquarian or with other planets there? Just curious!
Hey, YOOHOOO! I’m glad it’s back–didn’t wanna holler at ya because I knew you must be going through it!
Tipping a glass of bubbly yer way and clinking–congrats on surviving the stress!
Top Ten came back on the day of a Total Eclipse, um, well, let’s see what the Lunar Eclipse brings, see if the bunny disappears in the hat.
Congratulations with the return of Top10 and thanks for all the work that you do! The good thing about the experience is, that now you – and your readers – are very certain that they would be missing your site:)
About crimes of passion: I don’t think that they are romantic, at all. Most of the time it is about ‘to have and to hold’, just like with most crimes: for materialistic reasons only. They cannot stand it, that the other one takes the chains from the heart, LOL. But maybe it takes a very passionate person to judge this:)!
Elsa, I think your new gadget is superior. Not sure why, but didn’t like the top 10- the thing was confusing. This one is neater.
Yes, crimes of passion seem to be the best kind of crime for some murderers. Oh well not to worry.
kingsley
Elsa, I am an avid assimilator of philosophy and one of my favourites is Bertrand Russell (who makes me laugh almost continually as I read). You should try “The Conquest of Happiness”. Anyhow, he calls getting drunk “temporary suicide”, and I have yet to hear a more apt description of it.
That said, I do get drunk on occasion, but (because I have Libra) I usually only do it to make everyone else feel comfortable. I also try not to get too drunk (because I have Scorpio Moon) and I also try to not do it very often (because I have Jupiter square Neptune).
I don’t however believe in crimes of passion. I believe in crimes perpetrated via a fundamental lack of self-control, which is a crime in and of itself. Of course, with Sun in Libra and Moon in Scorpio, I also pride myself on being able to feel murderous whilst simultaneously smiling sweetly, although it’s easier to do with sunglasses on.
Rape, stalking, murder-suicide and the like are not about love gone wrong or a crime of passion induced impulsiveness. It’s a crime of power or of ownership. It is a crime of “You don’t matter as much as what I want matters.” A crime of ego.
I don’t have power over this person any more (i.e., my girlfriend left me) and I feel powerless in the face of the resulting emotions, so I’ll kill her. I feel like showing that guy “who’s boss” around here, so I’ll rape him. She won’t give me the time of day, so I’ll force her to notice me by stalking her.
Most people don’t chalk up child abuse to passion, but MANY of the psychological motivations for domestic violence overlap for child abuse. And yet people pull the “crime of passion” card on domestic violence.
An abuser may have had a tough day and may be in a “passion” about something or someone. But notice how the abuser rarely takes it out on his mean boss, the ticketing police officer or his obnoxious pals? He chooses to come home and wait for the tiniest excuse to take it out on his partner, the person he chose. That ain’t no crime of passion. That’s premeditation on a conscious or unconscious level.
I’m tempted to think that those who commit crimes for a cause are much more in the “crime of passion” category than anything else. Messianic complexes, terrorists, freedom fighters, revolutionaries, dictators…they all are violent idealists expressing their passionate love, fear, hatred, need to protect, need for freedom through crime. And it depends on who is calling it a crime, no? But even then, there is an element of “what I want matters more than what you want.”
So, aside from psychotic breaks triggered by some underlying mental illness and stress, I guess, no. I don’t believe in crimes of passion.
First House Mars in Gemini trine 6th House Pluto in Libra which sextiles 8th house Sag. Neptune.
I’m an idealist too- watch out! 
LOL @ Jeremy! You remind me a bit of my SO. He likes to tell me the story of being at a party once, and a guy (they were teenagers at the time) put a cigarette out on his back in an effort to get my SO to fight.
B’s response? “I stared at the guy until he f%@#ing ran away.”
(He has Cap Moon conjunct Saturn and Moon in Scorpio).
eh, well, i count rage as one of the passions. also fear.
it’s emotionless violence that can be really creepy, to me. hey, scorpio? you going keep that stuck under a lid forever? 
(i’m joking. almost.)
Possession leading to criminal insanity, probably both, allowing the mind to go to the dark places.
Oops, forgot to say, the above is a reply to Togi about that awful crime.
Yes. In my mind, always. Actions, no. Mercury, meet Neptune.
There’s a big difference imo between an abuser who has been controlling another for years (typically a man abusing a woman or either abusing a child) and then snaps, and someone who has been abused or finds their trusted partner has been deceiving them, and snaps.
In the Latin countries of Europe a crime of passion is enshrined in law* – wrongly imo as it usually shores up male machismo and possession of the female! (*I’m not sure if this has changed in recent decades).
I can understand a crime of passion well – there were many times I felt close to snapping and attacking my mother.
Absolutely, yes. Some of us are just wired so differently from others. Different setups, different reasons, different levels of sanity, varying degrees of “rightness” and “wrongness.”
For instance, I have a friend who took a baseball bat to the back of a man, from behind, who at the time was pinning a boy’s arms behind his back so that his son could punch the boy. The boy who was being beat on was my friend’s brother, and my friend was 10 at the time he attacked the grown man from behind.
Libra Mars conj. Neptune… violence/agression that is about fairness and relationship? kinda romantic.
The cops were called, and they let my friend (then just a boy) alone. Crime of passion, and justified, in their eyes. Sure, he was defending his blood brother, but let’s face it- he full-on wailed on this man from behind with a baseball bat. Like instant and murderous. I like this about him, actually, and he is still capable of his moments like that, though I’ve never seen or heard of him losing it on an innocent.
It is absolutely possible to get so crazed/selfish/upset/angry/hurt/wounded emotionally that you lose sense of everything else and act.
Then you stand there and go “Oh my god, what’d I just do?”
I think about my divorce and the things I did when I was hurt and depressed and some of those things are totally not me and embarrassing. But when you hit rock bottom….
i voted no. before, i voted yes. i have venus-pluto. the whole ‘crimes of passion’ thing sticks in my craw. this time round reading this post, i agree with drea.
This is a very interesting thread. After I posted, someone came to visit me who had a tale of woe that fit the ‘crime of ego’ profile Drea offered above. I was stunned, but also could relate from my experiences in relationship. This person was so caught up in a sense of entitlement, ego and personal sense of being wounded (illogically so) that fair play and balance were not even on the table. In an extreme episode, I could totally see this person hurting someone.
I have been there, and I remember what a struggle it was to keep in mind that I didn’t have the right to do damage. Sure can feel like it’s necessary and proper when either that twisted or simply in that much pain. I think that people can be so distressed, and their anxiety/pain can be so acute that crimes of passion in this sense can be understandable (though still not excusable).
At the same time, I think that people who are in the grips of such things sometimes have to be very strong and ethical, even to the point of being heroic, in order to avoid causing disaster.
I would say no because most likely these things have been on their mind…the emotion that would provoke them to do it might have an element of passion in it, but I think the timing, atmosphere, things lining up, for them to do what they were thinking about way before it actually happened. I am not talking on planning a crime, but just the manifestation of the moment lining up with long, steeping thoughts of doing such a crime. *shivers*
Sorry, but, most likely, somebody has to jump to conclusions in order to make some kind of case for what is most likely to be the series of events in somebody’s experience, mind, heart, and soul before they do something heinous. Fact is, we don’t know, and not every situation is bound to be the same flavor.
Like the time my uncle flushed my aunt’s goldfish down the toilet. Given the fact that he was an old-school executive w/o a history of violence, I would guess that this fell into the “crimes of passion” category for him, given my aunt’s typical style. Just guessing, though. Now, something was definitely on his mind, but the goldfish was just collateral damage, and maybe evidence that he had self control, after all (snorts). The 80/20 rule, indeed :-}
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I definitely believe in crimes of passion. I mean, I don’t agree with them necessarily, but I can clearly see why one would do it. I always pray nobody does anything harmful to my children (Mars in Cancer)because I don’t think I would know how to transcend beyond not taking matters into my own hands. I have these thoughts of someone breaking into my house while my husband is gone (he’s gone frequently) and I go into “protect my kids mode”. I will fight to the death before someone hurts my kids or I. But then the thought of having to kill any human being shakes me up.
I also sympathize with that lady in Houston who ran over (which killed) her husband in a rage when she saw with her own eyes that he was cheating on her. Sometimes pain can supercede logic, and I certainly understand that. Not that it’s right though.
I also have a few drinks when I’ve just had it!
So enjoy a nice drunken episode, Elsa. You deserve it!!