Astrology Of Carl Panzram: Psychopath And Serial Killer

September 3rd, 2010 @ 2:37 pm by Elsa

Outtakes and various other sundries

Carl Panzram (28 June 1891 – 5 September 1930) writes in notes that were published in 1970, in Killer a Journal of Murder:

“In my lifetime I have murdered 21 human beings, I have committed thousands of burglaries, robberies, larcenies, arsons and, last but not least, I have committed sodomy on more than 1,000 male human beings. For all these things I am not in the least bit sorry. I have no conscience so that does not worry me. I don’t believe in man, God nor Devil. I hate the whole damn human race including myself.

If you or anyone else will take the trouble and have the intelligence or patience to follow and examine every one of my crimes, you will find that I have consistently followed one idea throughout my life. I preyed on the week, the harmless, and the unsuspecting.”

Click to see Carl Panzram’s (approximate) chart.

He’s got a stellium in Gemini with Mercury in a tight trine to Uranus.  Jupiter in Pisces trines Mars – this chart is prolific and if there was ever an example of energy being neutral until directed, this is it.

Also available – Panzram A Journal of Murder

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35 Responses to “Astrology Of Carl Panzram: Psychopath And Serial Killer”

1.
Jilly
Jilly

mars trine jupiter is supposed to be lucky – I guess he was lucky in a way, not getting caught for a while

:/

 
2.
Dorothy
Dorothy

Shit, just got the chills all over. Have no skills in interpreting a chart, but curious to see what everyone says.

 
3.
AriesSun
AriesSun

I’m still learning about how to read a chart (w/o studying it for awhile!), but the stellium in the 12th took my breath away…

One more thing – in my experience Cancer males come across as “nice guys” who are exuding sensitivity. Folks want to talk to them – and he’s got his Cancer sun conj. (exact) to his rising sign *deep shivers*

 
4.
Elsa
Elsa

No, the chart is approximate, set for noon with the sun on the ascendant (solar chart). All I have is a birthday and a state. He may have a Pisces moon for example…

 
5.
cosmickisses2u
cosmickisses2u

All these planets in the 12th house. Is it typical that someone with a lot of planets in the 12th house to be psychotic?

 
6.
Elsa
Elsa

Again, it is a a SOLAR chart… I do not have complete birth data.

 
7.
Jilly
Jilly

trying to see where his hatred for humanity would come in?

Venus pluto neptune? He got sailors drunk and raped them.

 
8.
Glenn
Glenn

Just a bit of Back-up for Elsa…..

If you don’t see a time of birth , then a chart applies to EVERYONE born on that day. Hence the tern: Solar.

Time of Birth is the critical data that makes a chart specific to an individual.

Most people here on this Blog are used to seeing Natal charts….. so it’s natural to make this assumption.

 
9.
Carrie
Carrie

I just can’t fathom what it would be like to have absolutely no concious. Blows the mind.

 
10.
Del
Del

Thank you for rekindling my probably unhealthy interest in serial killers! I’ve been bored with my usual reading and seeking something that really engages me. Yeah, this celebrity gossip gets old… Thanks for switching my gears back to the meaty stuff.

 
11.
Del
Del

And the astrology is breathtaking.

 
12.
Del
Del

However, with all that Gemini, I would suspect that he might have exaggerated just a wee bit.

 
13.
cosmickisses2u
cosmickisses2u

@Del…I was thinking the same thing. Also if he had little schooling, how is it that he was able to write a book? Well it makes for good reading anyway.

 
14.
Morgan
Morgan

Stellium in Gemini. All the squares in his chart hit a planet in Gemini. No offense to Gemini’s but emotions are quickly intellectualized. He has neptune conjunct pluto in intellectual gemini, square jupiter in pisces, and also square saturn in virgo, and I think, semi-sextile his sun. No belief in God? He probably thought it wasn’t in his best interest. I’m sure out of fear. Some people believe in God out of fear, so I’m sure this guy decided NOT to believe in God out of fear. Picked helpless victims. I’m sure mars in his own sign helped him with that. He also had venus square saturn. I think this a cold aspect to have. He probably never felt loved, so it was easy for him not to feel love as a result. I think there’s a lot of emotional detachment with just that one aspect. Hated the whole damn race including himself.

 
15.
Elsa
Elsa

I have not finished the book yet but it specifically says that everything he wrote has been corroborated, within reason. Nothing has been found to be false. There are extensive notes. For example he claims to have burned a building when he was a young teen and the authors went back and verified this.

As for his schooling, an education in this era… well if you made though hs in this era, you were better education that a college grad of this era, generally speaking.

He does have Gemini, but also Jupiter and while there may be some exaggeration, as I said, his story checks out.

Keep in mind he wrote this in 1928. No one published it until 1970 because there was no interest in this kind of thing.

Today we have the mafia ice killer bullshitter but it is a completely different era. Very sensational now but back then, it was not that way at all.

They published this to take advantage of a surge in interest after Speck came on the scene. I mean, it was published, 40 years after the fact and the back of the book includes 105 points where the author has checked out the story. Very careful, responsible reporting.

There was a whole different standard of reporting back then and to publish something like this at that time, you better damned well back it up and they have.

 
16.
mermaid 49
mermaid 49

posted something three hours ago…I see it did not make it…mercury retrograde I guess..

 
17.
Elsa
Elsa

mermaid, it probably went in the spam filter and if so and it’s not shown up yet, I probably deleted it by mistake. Sorry, I go through the spam pretty carefully but do miss something on occasion. :(

 
18.
Morgan
Morgan

I’m definately getting this book. People like this fascinate me– to try to understand the mind of someone like this… He as no conscience, so why lie?

 
19.
Blessed Place
Blessed Place

I have a book somewhere about serial killers – it’s a study of about eight of them, all convicted. What forcibly struck me – forgive the pun – is that all of these men had at some point received a trauma to the head, whether from an accident or by violence

 
20.
danielle
danielle

Didn’t you know, lying is the most fun a person can have without taking their clothes off.

Loose movie quote aside, what jumps out at me the most, besides the gemini stellium is that venus and saturn square. Seems like a real bummer aspect to have, plus it touches jupiter which is probably expanding the bummer. And then the jupiter trines mars, making it easy to demonstrate his aggressiveness, alot.

 
21.
Cartomanzia Gratis
Cartomanzia Gratis

@ComicKissesToYou

I also have a lot of planets in the 12th house…hope not to become the next Hannibal Lecter, lol!

 
22.
Elsa
Elsa

Welcome, Cartomanzia Gratis. :)

 
23.
Blessed Place
Blessed Place

Interested by danielle’s comment. Is Venus square Saturn also a negative aspect?

 
24.
Chickie
Chickie

“Saturn combined with Pluto is known for its brutality. Where ever it is found it make s life deeply difficult; a karmic aspect that makes a prison sentence of life”.
It would be interesting to see where his Black Moon Lilith lay, as it figures strongly in the charts of male murderers and psychopaths.

 
25.
Elsa
Elsa

Welcome, Chickie. :)

 
26.
Sonia
Sonia

Ha! Now I know where o send my friends who ask if you can spot a nasty person by their chaart. I always say “No! Energy is neutral until directed!” And here’s the proof. Great example. Thanks Elsa!

 
27.
Elsa
Elsa

I finished the book and think he’s credible. He pontificates a lot but the book is interesting on multiple levels.

One thing that struck me when I put the thing down was this: When it comes to crime and criminals, we’ve made absolutely no progress in 100 years.

Now who should we scapegoat for this?

 
28.
danielle
danielle

@Blessed

Venus square saturn can cause one to be to be oversensitive to rejection and my therefore have deep-seated feelings of being unworthy of love even though they may know there is no real basis for these feelings. These people may just always expect rejection because they are especially sensitive to cues that suggest they are not loved.

People with this aspect include Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson.

And as I had said, in Panzram’s chart, it touches jupiter to form a t-square in which these saturn-venus issues may become inflated.

What’s a life without [feeling] love? Very ouch aspect.

 
29.
danielle
danielle

IMHO =)

 
30.
Joseph
Joseph

How foolish to look at such a life without a birth time; it shows that you do NOT understand the way astrology works, at the fundamental level. Let me remind you that many others were born the same DAY as this person. You are disgracing astrology; no, you are disgracing yourself by publishing such rubbish. Do you understand?

A chart like this comes down to the exact second; the hermetic lots and their releasing, the 13th harmonics of the planets and other concepts you apparently have no understanding of. This is an exact science. Earth to Elsa.

 
31.
Elsa
Elsa

Welcome, Joseph. :)

 
32.
Alethea
Alethea

Earth to Joseph: Why would you come onto someone else’s blog as a guest and then proceed to attack them? Saturn’s in Libra, or did you not get the memo?

 
33.
LisLioness
LisLioness

Joseph unearthed himself because of Venus/Pluto. :D

Now do go away because you have no idea who you’re talking to.

 
34.
denise
denise

Gee Whiz Joseph…I guess in a perfect world everyone would know the exact second they were born but new flash for ya…..not a perfect world.

 
35.
virgovixen
virgovixen

Earth to Joseph – it’s highly doubtful many records exist of “the exact second” babies were born in 1891!!

I appreciate your attempt to act all superior though, it made for a very amusing read. Thanks for the laugh!

 


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