On Victimhood: “I’m Not A What?”

June 18th, 2010 @ 4:40 pm by Elsa

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I was surprised when I saw, HQ had posted about victimhood on the boards. It made me recall a conversation we had years ago when he told me I wasn’t a victim. This had dawned on him at the time and as always, I didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. I’d never thought about such a thing and talking to HQ challenged me back then, it still does.

It’s now a number of years later (eight?) and then up pops this thread. I was moved by it. I was stirred because it reaches back further than you might imagine. More than eight years, that’s for sure.

His said at the time we discussed this that he’d never met anyone in his life with more cause to call themselves a victim but this did not seem to be part of my makeup. If you were actually me, you might understand the kind of knot this created in my head. What’s wrong with me again? What did I do? I’m not a what?

I am routinely overwhelmed with the thoughts of others, especially with their thoughts about me. For starters I have trouble comprehending that anyone would even think about me in the first place which is pretty easy to understand if you consider my background. If a girl lives in the desert, does anyone know? How would they know?

I never really got out of that mindset so when someone tells me something like this, first I have to deal with the idea they have ideas about me and then I have to deal with what those ideas might be.

If this makes me sound anti-social, well I am not. I am very social, I just come from somewhere no one understands and others come from somewhere I don’t understand and collisions result.

I thought about HQ’s post overnight in tandem with my recollection of the conversation we had 8 years ago and I think I know now why I have never felt like a victim but I should say at this point, you could beat me to a pulp. You could beat me near to death (which has happened) and I can tell you unequivocally that at no point in that process would I feel like a victim.  What I would feel is that this was my life going on and I think the reason is because I was never introduced to the concept.

I was told I would have to work. I was told I would have to find my way in this life. I was told that if I got beaten in a card game it was because I was a lousy player and it was suggested that I didn’t like to lose, I best raise my game.

As a result of this, let’s say I had my arms and legs blown off by a car bomb. I would still not feel like a victim.  I’d feel like, Elsa, with no arms and legs and if I died, I’d just be dead.

So that is how I am strung and here is my question:

If you are someone who feels you are a victim, where did the idea originate? And the astrology?


Astrology, , 12 comments   |   Posted at 4:40 pm 

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12 Responses to “On Victimhood: “I’m Not A What?””

1.
CArRiE
CArRiE

I’ll repeat my comment from HQ’s post:

With my chart, I could never choose to be a victim, even if I wanted to. I’m a hero (Aries) and a warrior (Scorpio) maaan…

 
2.
AriesSun
AriesSun

I’m right behind CArRiE w/Aries and Scorpio on board!

 
3.
Mariana
Mariana

When i was 3 years old
My father left us
My mother beating every single day
Then
My grand father ( who loved me) was murdered
My father dies at 48
I paid my self school
My virgo-cancer family so mean.

Me? Naah, im not the victim,
They envy me. happy taurus.

In my chart
1 grand cross, tauro leo escorpio aquarius.
1 yod, mercury apex , neptuno sextile uranus.
piece of cake, only a psychic can resolve that.

 
4.
Shaina
Shaina

I have the 8th in Pisces, and I do tend to get victimized through sexual relationships– including gross and/or inappropriate and/or non-consensual ones– but it also pushes me to turn Pisces into Scorpio, or “victim” into “survivor.”

 
5.
chrispito
chrispito

((shaina)))

I don’t see myself as victim of anything but being human against my will, does that count?:) Just kidding. My 12th House wants to float off some days.

but I will cop to feeling sorry for myself on a very bad day. For me there is no shame in that, because I know it isn’t a way of life. I just need a good old boohoo every now and then.

 
6.
falconbridge
falconbridge

I’d guess I’m on the victim side without trying to be. Always trying to explain a guilt that they planted me. My mom’s a good example at being a victim. I’d guess I’ve caught it from her. Usually I just over explain things as if anyone could ever really understand. There is no objective reality.

 
7.
Midara
Midara

I’m not sure, as the concept is sort of foreign to me. Can awful things happen to me that I can’t control? Of course, and it definitely doesn’t always feel fair. But the point for me is that when they do happen, it doesn’t matter who’s at fault. All that matters is that this is now part of my life and I have to deal with it. So I stand up and move on, because this is no one’s journey but mine. I can get pretty pissed at circumstances, and I can cry rivers, but my focus is always on moving forward.

 
8.
Jorge Torres
Jorge Torres

I Think sometimes We become Victims of circumstances and Aspects sometimes we did a mistake sometimes somebody else make a mistake and sometimes the Universe make what Universe do Sometimes all of them do something !!!

But I think there is a Reason every time there is something to learn !!!

Best Regards WEverybody !!!

 
9.
chrispito
chrispito

Thank you Jorge, I agree. There’s always something to learn. Kind regards to you, too:)

 
10.
Dorothy
Dorothy

I think “victim” has many connotations.

I do think children are most definitely victims if they are being abused in any way simply because they cannot defend themselves.

I do think one can be a victim of a crime, whatever it may be.

But on another level for me being a victim is not fighting back to overcome even though you can. A child cannot do that while they are young, but they can grow up and overcome their circumstances through their own determination and will.

I think victims never take control, and survivors climb back out of the hole they have been thrown into.

As usual just my humble opinion.

 
11.
liz
liz

I have too much jupiter/neptune in my chart to ever truly feel like a victim. Also a jupiter/saturn exchange..so while I do get down I easily can see the bright side. I’m now seeing even more than that, I’m seeing the cycles of life/astrology which is empowering.
I feel some people think I’m a victim because I will reach out when I’m feeling down to be able to get that up perspective. Sometimes I reach out to simply realize I’m too down so have to go for a walk and have a talk with God.
But if they look closely I always get back up and it’s just a passing mood.
I come from a working family and a large loving family.. where there’s always a bright side. :)

I think victimhood is a constant mentality.

 
12.
Liz
Liz

Ooo just realized that I react victimly with the ex. So I guess 80/20 rule. :P

 


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