Storytelling, And Sacrilege

April 4th, 2010 @ 5:49 pm by Elsa

Astrology in real life

sagitariusThe other day I started a thread on the boards to whinge about not being able to tell stories anymore. I speculated that I’d moved on for a reason, not knowing exactly what that reason was but now I think I get it.

I did all that dark and psych-minded storytelling with Pluto in Sagittarius. Part of the time, Jupiter was in Sadge or transiting my 9th house which is very good for broadcast or publishing rollicking stories. That time has passed and here’s the part that is hard to take: I don’t really think it is coming back.

I think those stories were told in the time they were meant to be told in and they are no longer appropriate or relevant to *this* time. I think they are good and potent, also because they were written in the right time, sort of like a time capsule and here is the other bad thing: I am not sure I could do it again.

For one thing. skills are perishable and for another, I am changing. It is probably sacrilegious to some (many) but Leonard Cohen wrote some really good songs before he disappeared from the scene. When he resurfaced… well I didn’t even listen to his last cd twice.

I know this is gross and disgusting and just can’t be so but I think it is so. It’s like I used to wear a miniskirt but now I don’t, what the hell can you do?

Things don’t go on forever – note that.



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18 Responses to “Storytelling, And Sacrilege”

1.
denamaria
denamaria

Hi Elsa….I think you are so right about this. There are many areas of my life that I see don’t work for me anymore either and I am okay with it. I actually really like it.

We had a funeral this week and I used to have to be the one in charge. I am still in charge, but I don’t take on everything like I used to and when I am done, I am done. People wanted to stay late, and I said no, I have had enough and you guys need to move this party elsewhere, I am tired and am going to bed. And I was okay with that. I knew that I had done everything up til that moment to the best of my abilities and after that….well, it doesn’t matter anymore.

I no longer want to wear tight anything…..jeans, skirts, pants….I want to feel good and able to move with ease.

I no longer want to be out late with friends. I am so liking staying in and reading again!

 
2.
AriesSun
AriesSun

I agree Elsa. There are certain times in your Life that you feel either inspired to write, be vocal about your opinion, do painting, wear red, ride a bike, or whatever…and it’s appropriate for that time in your Life. But, like all things in Life, you eventually outgrow it(or find it not useful).

I love the part about the miniskirt…I get it! I don’t wear a lot of clothes I used to just because it feels uncomfortable and, well, unseemly..like halter tops, tight-fitting shirts, stiletto heels, etc.

Same with denamaria – I feel totally comfortable leaving a party or gathering when I am ready, not just when the rest of the crowd is moving…kind of a freeing feeling!!!

 
3.
kasemenova
kasemenova

This is slightly off-point, but still relevant, I think: I am one of those writers who won’t talk about what I’m writing. I mean, I will let people read pages once they’re written and I’ll discuss a plot point or two (like I did on here, when I was looking for astrology help) but I won’t TELL the whole story. I can only tell it once, and it has to be on the page, or I lose the drive. So I can see how, once having told the stories, you’re sort of “done.”

But I also used to teach, and I had certain anecdotes I told my students, to make certain points. And what’s funny is I tend not to tell those anecdotes anymore. But I do now tell anecdotes about the students and the way those stories worked or didn’t work for them.

So, if I may be so bold, Elsa, I’m guessing you might not tell those stories again, but I think you’ll still tell stories. Though the frames will be a little different. How could it be otherwise?

Russian history couldn’t be taught after 12 November 1989 as it had been before. The world changed when the Berlin Wall fell. Why should our personal lives be any different?

 
4.
Elsa
Elsa

Well I am inspired, I would like to do it but the universe wants otherwise. I just outlined how I actually write a story to my husband, he was shocked. Point being there is no way to do that and do what I am doing now, the functions do not sync up in any way. The thing is once you let go… it does go. I think it is fucked but all kinds of things are fucked and fucked a lot worse than this.

 
5.
Elsa
Elsa

kasemenova – I have never been paid to write a story in my life! I am paid to astrologize. Being compared to Hemingway and Van Gogh is nice but…

The main thing (as I wrote on the boards) is I am here to SERVE. I know this is true. I am to help people so having (relentlessly) been channeled in this direction, I have to conclude I can be of more service doing this… than that.

 
6.
tinaroma
tinaroma

I wonder if we could look back and see a trend to the books and stories published when Pluto was in Scorpio, Libra, Virgo.. Harry Potter sure sounds like Pluto in sparkly, adventurous Sagittarius. Maybe we will tell/read stories that are still deep/psychological (Pluto) but about sterner (Capricorn) stuff?

I wonder what that would be. I just peeked in the rulership book and in Capricorn spotted things like cemetaries, architecture, abbeys, Greece.. For Saturn: anxiety, avarice, conscientiousness, fatalism, jealousy, precaution, prudence..

Guess what vampires are? Pluto. They could be here to stay..

I know that what you are saying, Elsa, is separate from this kind of.. You seem a born storyteller, though. I would wager you might get a second wind..

 
7.
tinaroma
tinaroma

I think the Hemingway post is in the filter..

 
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Elsa
 
9.
kasemenova
kasemenova

I think we’re working with different definitions of the word storyteller, Elsa. Because I think you are paid to tell stories. They may be a fairly restricted form of story (with the chart as a basis) but you have to put it in a form someone can *use*. You have to make a narrative of it. Your clients could have someone else tell them the story of their chart, no?

Also, I don’t know how ‘monetized’ your blog is so I can’t exactly argue that you’re paid for storytelling through it, but still, I’m guessing a fair number of people (like me) hang out here w/o having paid you to personally astrologize for us simply because we want to hear your stories. I’m more or less done with my astrology research (for the time being, anyway) and yet I keep showing up here. There are a zillion places I could find out, say, what transits are coming up, but I come here to find out, because I like the way YOU tell me.

I think I’ve not got a good handle on what kind of writing you were doing before, so this may be part of my confusion–it sounds like it was more straight-up stuff–but I wanted to make the point that I do consider you a storyteller. :)

I also, btw, don’t think of “serving” and storytelling as oppositions. I’m not sure why it has to be one or the other. You actually remind me a lot of one of my favorite writers on the planet, and I cannot tell you how much her storytelling has served me. And millions of others, judging by her sales figures. (It’s Annie Lamott, btw, in case anyone is wondering.)

 
10.
Elsa
Elsa

Thank you, kasemenova. I used to be a HARD CORE storyteller. All true stories… long stories, book length stories from my life…. that had astrology baked in simply because it has been baked into me since I was 8 years old.

This is when HQ famously asked if I were and idiot savant. Apparently I had done all this cool writing shit, unbeknownst to myself. It is still unbeknownst to myself.

See, I grew up so strangely, it is just not possible for me normal-up. I drifted into storytelling on pure accident, organically and drifted out the same way. I have not had good luck pushing things though I still do it from time to time (with rare success) but I don’t feel this way about storytelling.

I did it for the pure joy and because it made people happy. I mean, they clapped and stuff so I kept going. My thought at the time was shock that people wanted to hear about this shit… because it was shit to me. Just shit that happened, see?

I don’t have perspective around me and the world. If I could ever get people to see I am from the desert, it would be obvious, why. But people want to normalize you, tag you, diagnose you, deny you. It’s the culture. They reveal the tricks of magicians these day, wtf?

My grandfather wrote this on a scrap of paper during the depression.

http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/speaking-of-the-depression-henry-wrote-this

I think I inherited.

 
11.
Mari
Mari

Love Annie Lamott!

But I know what you mean. It takes a certain grace to acknowledge that things are moving on, and that the time has come to focus on something else. For now. And that it may well time for one of the other Ready in Waiting Archetypes to show up.

But I don’t think it means that those avenues are necessarily closed forever, although they may be. But maybe it’s just time develop or focus on some other aspects.

For example, one of my creative passions is photography, since fairly early on. I have always had many cameras, and have many pics published, sold a few pictures for big bucks. But, as much as I thought that I wanted to be a real pro, it never happened. I go through these cycles where I become immersed in other things, or just turned off at trying to make money at it.

But it remains my secret treasure and therapy and outlet and for just in case the moment should strike, I always have a camera or two with me at the ready. For my own soul if nothing else.

 
12.
Elsa
Elsa

It just hit me. There may be a day (I can conceive of circumstances) where it may be imperative I communicate something via the telling of my experience. If this happens, I WILL be able to do it. See what I mean? It may come down to how well I can tell a story and if that happens, I will be loaded for bear. I actually see signs of this in a way.

 
13.
brizo
brizo

Wonder what was happening in 2007? I wrote a ton of stuff and into 2008. And there were a lot of other writers on the boards. Now? I’ve got writers block and the landscape where I used to write is like a ghost town…

 
14.
ann
ann

so true. things do not just stay forever. with all this drama, one thing that made me happy. it made me realized that i could no longer work in the office. my perspective, temperament suddenly change. when i look back, i just cannot believe ive wasted so much time dreaming to work for another company when i can build one on my own.

 
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Elsa
Elsa

brizo, in 2007, Jupiter was in Sadge.

Also, twitter and fb cater to the short attention span / less investment and are another sign of the times.

 
16.
opal
opal

I was thinking about this a while ago. It’s so true that life and ability and opportunity all go in cycles – I think if you identify too much with what you can do at one period in your life, you can really suffer when change comes and something else is required.

It was Robert Crais’ books that got me thinking about it. I’ve read all his novels more than once and noticed that there was a stretch where he produced one brilliant book after another. He’d started good, then picked up and had this run of what I consider sheer brilliance. Then a couple of years later the books changed quite dramatically and just didn’t seem to have the narrative drive of the peak. The ideas felt laboured as did the structure. And I wondered if it was time for him to do something else, but being ‘a writer’ with the legal and other obligations that involves can trap a person in time.

Anyway. Just rambling.

 
17.
emi
emi

“skills are perishable”- wow, i’ve never thought of it like that. i must say that it scares the crap out of me, especially while thinking about how much time and effort is put into “skill building” and “refining skills”. it could just go “poof”?

but, i wonder if maybe the skills are always there, undergoing the same transformation/restorations that we do, and waiting to make an appearance at a later date, in a different form- or taking a different role in a person’s expression of them.

maybe you are right- that the skills are just gone, but i like to think of them as sleeping (optimistic Jupiter rising conj. sun) or maybe that a person who is challenged and changing is outgrowing a certain expression of the skill.

i feel this a lot- usually makes me feel ambiguous about whether or not i’m doing what i’m supposed to be doing.

 
18.
Elsa
Elsa

Skills are most definitely perishable but they don’t just fall off a truck. You do have to train talent is all and you take something back up 10 years after the fact and find it’s just not there anymore.

 


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