Conversations With Ben: On Being an (Aquarian) Individual, Redux “Good Morning, Clones Of Mary”
Catch up here – On Being an Individual
From 2007… Ben he wasn’t done talking…
“And I teach my students this,” he said. “I let it be known. Don’t come to my class copying someone unless you want to be called on it. Because I will call you on it and I don’t care if you’re embarrassed. Elsa, I don’t care. These kids have to learn this or they will never amount to anything.”
“So how do you call them on it?” I asked.
“Oh! Well I just do it straight away. For example… well there is a girl I have in one my classes, she’s interesting.  She’s a unique person and she works hard to develop herself. She’s a good kid and she tries hard all the time. This is middle school I teach, as you know. It’s the hardest age. Its puberty these kids are in. But anyway this girl is interesting and she’s always out in front a little bit and she struggles.”
“Uh huh?”
“Yes. She has the ability to distinguish herself, but should she do it? Too much of that and she will alienate herself from the rest of the class and she knows this of course. She’s smart.”
“I get it.”
“She’s at this age, trying to decide how she is going to be herself but still be part of the group. So she tries to be part of the group but one of the things she does to set herself apart is she fixes her hair. She finds interesting ways to fix her hair… she does things with her hair and she looks good.”
“Uh huh.”
“So she comes up with these hairstyles and they are her innovation. But the next day, or two days later, I look around and half the girls in the class have fixed their hair the way she did.”
“Oh brother.”
“I know. I feel so sorry for this girl. I just want to wrestle these kids to the ground and tell them they can’t do this. So that’s what I do. Not literally, but you know. I tell them. I say, I see a lot of have your hair fixed like Mary’s today…”
I laughed and he chuckled.
“Well, Elsa, someone better tell them they are never going to be anything or do anything interesting if they do not find out who their own right. That’s Mary’s hair, I’ll say. Why do you want to be like Mary? You’re not, Mary. You’re Sheila or you’re Tammy.”
“You’re doing them a favor,” I said.
“I know I’m doing them a favor. And not many do favors for kids, you know. Nobody tells them or teaches them the things that are the most important to know. I want these kids to be individuals. I want them to dig in and find out who they are. Don’t worry about what Mary is doing with her hair today. Figure out what you’re going to do with your hair.”
“I get it.”
“I would lose my job over this. That’s how strongly I feel about it. If they want me to not bother these kids about being clones then they are going to need to find another teacher, because I will not stop. Good morning, Mary. Good morning clones of Mary. I actually say that. And these kids may think I am picking on them but eventually they figure it out. I care about each of these kids and I want them to get something out of this experience. You don’t have much time to make an impression on them. The time is very brief and you have to teach them as much as you can. And one of the things I want them to learn from me is that life is better spent developing your own person than it is looking around for someone you can copy. I tell my kids not to waste themselves. Don’t you dare waste yourself being a clone, I say.
“And this is why you are teacher of the year.”
“Elsa, I am teacher of every year. I have gotten that award so many times I’ve lost count. Every year they give me that thing and you know I hate it. I hate getting attention like that and have asked them to give it to someone else but they can’t.”
“Why not?”
“Because these kids love me. They flock to me, you’ve seen it. And if they gave Teacher of the Year to anyone but me these kids would probably riot. They may throw eggs at the person who won that wasn’t me. Who knows what they’d do. Nobody wants to find out what so every year I get that award. And it makes me sick to get it. I just hate, and I mean I loathe being in the spotlight. But I figure it’s the price I pay to be able to teach these kids something and for that I’ll do anything. So a kid may come into my class being a clone but when they leave they’re an individual and they know it and of this, I am very proud. I wish someone would have told me it was okay to be who I was when I was a kid. I had to learn the hard way.”
Were you taught it was okay to be individual, or encouraged to conform?

19 Responses to “Conversations With Ben: On Being an (Aquarian) Individual, Redux “Good Morning, Clones Of Mary””
I was taught that it was okay to be an individual except this teeny tiny issue called religion that put a money wrench into my plans. LOL!
At some point in high school I figured out that I was going to be an outsider no matter what I did. (not aquarius as such, but an 11th house sun opposing uranus confers a similar blessing/curse). At that point I decided that in that case, I’d better at least be somebody I liked and was proud of. That’s what I try to hold to no matter what may be going on around me.
conform! come on now, i have a libra ascendant. everybody wants me to be just like them.
then i realized there was no way i’d conform to anyone or anything except via coincidence.
I am a teacher and reading what Ben has to say about it makes me realise how much better I should be at my job.
He totally deserves Teacher of the Year for this quote:
‘The time is very brief and you have to teach them as much as you can. And one of the things I want them to learn from me is that life is better spent developing your own person than it is looking around for someone you can copy.’
How does he feel about the attention he’s getting on here?
Aquarius here… I was taught taught and encouraged to be an individual, or rather as my mom likes to put it, not even when I was a kid would I listen or do things in the way that I was told to. It’s always been MY way, and I guess everyone just sees that and accepts it.
As a kid I attended seven different schools. I was always the new kid…and never did “fit in”. Consequently, I aspired to non-conformity. And I’ve never looked back.
I was raised by a Cap mom, with very low self-esteem. She was dedicated to raising me and my two siblings to be the opposite- always encouraging us to be ourselves, to not be afraid to be unique. She did an excellent job! All three of us are very confident, proud and very comfortable with ‘who’ we are! Thanks Mom & thanks Ben for providing that to so many!
kashmiri- oh yes, the “be attractive so you can win souls” thing. At least in my case.
I’m with Ben… I’m (still) learning the hard way.
I went to catholic school from 1st -12th grade and it wasn’t until I left for college that I started to develop a wardrobe!! till this day sometimes my family makes fun of my style choices but I could care less =) I like to dress depending on my mood and lots of the time my mood draws me to crazy color combinations. I was also oppressed in many other ways (Gem Sun in 6th house) but I’m tackling them one by one and am proud to be who I am today. I just wish someone told me yesterday that I was ok too
Learning about myself from this site, I’m able to focus on my inner strengths and deflect the negativity people try to pin on me (Sun opp Nept). I am soo happy 2 be apart of this community!!
Edit: (Sun opp Uranus
I’m still learning see?
Hah. Conform, all the way. I was the freak from the first day of kindergarten on, and I got held back a year because I wasn’t “socially developed.” Hard to do when every kid in class hates you. Individuality got you harassed, but unfortunately I was too clueless to figure out exactly how to blend in with the crowd, and Uranus rising means they smell the weird on you anyway. Things didn’t improve until I moved to hippieville and suddenly nobody cares any more.
No wonder the kids love Ben.
You know what’s awful? There is a creative writing professor at my college who FORCES the kids in his class to copy The Great Masters. (“Nobody can write better than they did, nobody wants to read anything other than what they did, all you can do is copy,” according to my friend stuck in his class.) As in, they have to write who they are copying on their papers, they can’t acknowledge anything in a story that took place past the 18th century or so (like cars). What a creep. I about choked when I heard this stuff. This guy is a “well known” author for writing well, ripoffs. Though I saw a book by him that was clearly ripping off Sam Spade and the like. I thought, “Hey, that isn’t a Great Master!”
depends in which parent, and in what ways. i got good support overall, from them though.
it was my social group that really hammered me. lessons from saturn in the eleventh. but saturn return time i started to really figure it out for myself.
I would have loved to have had him as a teacher. It’s a lonely time, that age. Concrete advice to deal with problems that seemed much larger than they were, would have been much appreciated.
Left on my own I would have preferred to just fly under the radar doing my own thing, but my mum encouraged me to be more unapologetically ME. (But who am I really? Pff, like I know.)
She has midheaven conjunct sun and moon in sagittarius with pisces rising, where I’m a pisces sun sadge moon, cap rising.
Mum:
“So-and-so wouldn’t let her daughter play toy xylophone with her feet! She said, “Erica, if you don’t play properly, I’ll put it away.” Can you believe this? So what if she wanted to play with her feet! I mean come on lady, your daughter had a desire to express herself a certain way and you squashed it into the shape you liked better!”
hahah. I love my mum, even if she is my main crazy maker
I’m all for individuality, and people who copy and steal can really really get under my skin… but… don’t clones sometimes have a function? If everyone was an individual, wouldn’t we be conforming to non-conformity, as they say?
I C, what I see happen to some is they copy someone initially but eventually find their own voice. They hitchhike on the original, basically but eventually become able to go on their own steam.
It would be cool though if the other kids could look at Mary, and think ‘wow, look what Mary can get away with … look how unafraid she is to be different’ and take inspiration from that. Not copy what Mary does, but see that she gets away with it, so maybe it is safe for them to break away from the mould a bit too. It takes guts to be different I think. These kids could copy Mary’s guts!
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neither. But I never fit in and I never wanted to.