Saturn In Libra: Social Pressure And Rules That Evolve Over Time
Astrology in real life
Here I go with my tying a bunch of things together. A few days ago I wrote about all the planets in Capricorn stacking up in my 12th house (dreams / prison). I was dreaming about police (Saturn/authority) on a nightly basis at the time.
Writing about it cleared that and next thing you know I come home from the library with a book written by an old man / cop who went to prison in the 60′s in what he calls the “largest case of police corruption in U.S. history.
“Going to prison after being a cop is the most terrifying nightmare from hell you can imagine…”
That got my attention, I wasn’t thinking of the perfect fit of the transit at the time. I figured the book may be some rantings of a criminal with a personality disorder or something manipulative and dripping in apology or… who knows what? I definitely wanted to hear an account of what happens to a cop who goes to jail so I got the book and headed home.
The author is 71 years old. He looks like a Capricorn. I’m not that far along in the book yet and only have vague knowledge of the case but he clearly took a long fall due lack of integrity.
My impression so far is that the guy is trying to give as clean an account of events as he can but that’s not the interesting part. The interesting part is that in doing so he records history and the attitudes of the day.
For example, this case took place before Miranda rights were established. He comes right out and says that cops had carte blanche to do as they pleased. He reports that from his first week on the job… well “dirty” cops were very common and he puts the word in quotes like that too, point being it was very different back then.
He states it was commonplace to take money from the wallets of drunk people you were arresting. Money, cigarettes and bottles of booze found their way into the coat pockets of cops on crime scenes. His perception was that this was one of the perks of the job.
Now if you are 20 and live in the United States this may be hard for you to comprehend but I am old enough to have at least periphery knowledge of an attitude like this which brings me to my point.
Saturn is in Libra and I equate this to social (Libra) pressure (Saturn) among other things. Social rules. I am more and more aware of my age these days. I have different standards, different morals and rules. It is hard to reconcile this.
Am I too adopt the attitudes of the younger generation? I don’t think I can but I can understand, appreciate and honor the differences. It is not reasonable for me to expect a person in their 20′s to have my standard of behavior when they were raised with a completely different standard of behavior. I have got to see things through their eyes the best I can.
On the flip side, I think the opposite is true. For example, in my day a man who abandoned his kid(s) was considered a total loser, a piece of shit to shunned. Because of the social pressure, this rarely happened.
It is not this way anymore, of course. Women routinely screw (and have babies) with men who have nothing but a history of abandoning their children leaving a woman like me to look on in disbelief.
In whatever case, Saturn is transiting Libra now and society is going to come up with some rules over these next years. Any guesses what the rules might be? What would you like them to be?
16 Responses to “Saturn In Libra: Social Pressure And Rules That Evolve Over Time”
I’d like for personal integrity to come back into vogue. Personal responsibility.
I don’t have a problem with people being who they are, but if you’re an asshole I want you to be called out for being an asshole. I want social approbation, dammit!
And want other people to carry their own fucking shadows, because I’m really damned sick of doing it.
I think that covers the bases. *rolls eyes @ self*
I don’t like the stereotype that has emerged of a women who wants to marry. put it up with the stereotype of a guy, which is that a “valuable” guy is not looking to get married, and it feels pretty ick to be the woman. of course all the studies support the idea that men report higher happiness than married women, or single men.
I’m ready for the stereotype of the “desperate to be married” woman to DIE already. I’m tired of the idea of the “good” woman as disposable. there when you want her, gone when you don’t.
that the value of treating other people wellis recognized.
more overtly.
at least, i hope.
on the flip side, i think it’s good that there’s less pressure to get married to a totla jerk if you do happen to get pregnant. it’s a set of vows that should be taken very seriously, in my mind, and a lot of people in my generation (pluto in libra) are very very cautious about it…
the t square is going to get interesting… the drive for autonomy and respect for self (in a perhaps extreme, rebellious fashion) will get pulled into the mix.
the way people get married has changed significantly in the past ten years. less than half of the marriages i’ve been to in that time have been “traditional” on a whole number of levels…
wyrdling, when I was single and pregnant with my son (granted, 19 years ago) there was no pressure to marry but tremendous SHAME levied at me for being unmarried and pregnant.
I saw that as social pressure removed from the male and lumped onto the female. it was as though I carried BOTH burdens. but I didn’t get married (he wouldn’t have married me anyway) because I did respect marriage as a commitment.
I don’t know how things have changed in 19. perhaps they have. I haven’t seen the evidence but I’m not unmarried and pregnant.
I loathe the cops…Been around so many terrible things that they created that if u r a Cop I do not want u any where around me!!!!
Satori, it has not changed one bit. I don’t have kids but I hear it in the conversations of men who have kids and are not with their children everyday all the time. I totally agree with your previous comment as well.
thank you! I think it’s sad for the children as well, to see half of who they are invalidated. perhaps it’s extreme but it’s sad how they have to choose to grow up to choose between being the oppressor or the oppressed, rather than a relation of equals.
I’ve always (well almost always) been for the rule, “Don’t take your shadow out on anyone else”. Just deal with your woundology already so that we can all move forward
I think this guy is telling the truth about what he is telling but there is A LOT he is not telling. For one thing there is no sex in this book and the way these cops are running amok, it leaves a BIG hole. Other then that, damned interesting just in that it is a snap shot of a time that has definitely passed. Not that it won’t come back because I am sure it will. History repeats and all..
people of a certain generation didn’t kiss and tell…:)
A lot of food for thought. I see many differences between my generation (Pluto in Leo) vs. that of my parents (Pluto in Cancer).
For starters, communication is different. There are certain formalities that they subscribe to that my generation has largely dropped. Although some do know how to get online, if they want to see you they will use the telephone whereas I often set things up by email.
And the next generation seems to live and die with text messaging.
However anyone feels about it, I’d say the acceptance of gay marriage is in the cards. I’m thinking some things that are illegal now are on their way to not being so; marijuana definitely. Prostitution maybe. Just seems to fit, plus we’ve got to fix the deficit somehow and I don’t think we can count on enough people getting taxed on their plastic surgeries.
This is so interesting, it blows my mind the way you read books, Elsa, “I think this guy is telling the truth about what he is telling but there is A LOT he is not telling, For one thing there is no sex in this book and the way these cops are running amok, it leaves a BIG hole” reading between the lines and wondering what this guy is trying to get across and what his angle is rather than taking the text as gospel. I have trouble with this and sometimes even don’t been recognizing an unreliable narrator. This is what critical thinking is all about. Is it your 8th house or 9th house that makes you analyze motives even in books? I know Scorpios are like that. Maybe I could have a little more Scorpio and read between the lines a little bit.
In fact your Saturn in Libra conversation is blowing my mind on all fronts. I just never chose to think about it and I wanted to be free.
Dina, I have a motive for reading the book too. 
But it was a very interesting read. He dealt with sex in prison (honestly or otherwise) but when they are out being cops in this era… well he says he was power mad and he had NO scruples whatsoever. He is totally fucking with people, they all are and they are robbing people 2 and 3 times a week but this guy never gets lets someone off for a blow job? I find that hard to believe.
It is supposed to be a story of redemption. He went to prison twice, he is a total criminal and then saved by the love of a woman?
He’s married now, long term so a sort of fairy energy woman and I am sure he left the crass sex + power out of this story for a reason.
He was also dx as a sociopath but says (probably rightly) that they diagnose everyone in prison as a sociopath.
It was super interesting to read an account (- sex) of cops in the era (this was before miranda rights) that I do think was pretty damned authentic.
Also, he describes what happens when I cop goes to prison (in the era) which is a curiosity to me. He gives a very detailed account, something I’d never read anywhere else. Before I had my imagination, now there are facts in place because that part of the book was pretty credible.
On the astrology, it’s both. I have Mars Mercury in the 9th so a cunning mind is goes wherever I go but the other is just instinct – the guy is a liar or whatever.
It’s like when the soldier and I were watching that dipshit Ice Man Mafia killer. We watched him tell the truth and then he started lying and we both knew it instantly and I mean instantly.
“Motherfucker’s lying,” I said as the 2nd lie rolled out his mother.
“Yep, that was a lie. What a sack of shit.”
Then people watch the guy, believe everything he says and think themselves experts on sociopathy. It’s comical until you have to be stuck in a room with someone like that. You can’t tell them anything when actually you could tell then everything if they only had the sense to listen which they don’t.
It is at this point I start checkin’ the exits because I don’t like talking to the PODS.
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