Yeah but the other planets as well. A anti-bitch Saturn will support others. Bitch Saturn will oppress and control, make people feel small.

Mars is a hero… or a tyrant. etc.

Ok, so on this subject of women criticising other women appearance, we are talking about a twisted Venus… Nowadays, this energy is subverted, and “society” demands an ideal of beauty impossible to fulfill. Some people react to the stress those demands generate by trying to find someone they consider less “beautiful” (or elegant, or whatever) to prey upon, in order to feel better about themselves…

This is absolutely fascinating – I’ve been reading all this and trying to get to grips with it somehow. My mother was like this – outside the home people thought she was a real lady, so nice and kind etc., but she used me as some kind of whipping post for her frustrations and certainly up until recently, I’ve often been the target of this kind of woman. So I’m trying to approach it from the point of view of what might attract this kind of behaviour – obviously it is a process that was set in motion in childhood, but there must be some astrological triggers, possibly karmic. My mother was Virgo and I have Pluto in Virgo in the 12th house square venus and opposite Jupiter. There always seems to be huge amounts of jealousy involved in these kinds of put-downs, I’ve noticed that these people seem to have no sense of self-identity or anchor or purpose in their life – perhaps it has been thwarted, so they do to others what was done to them. It only stops when you develop enough of a sense of self-worth to repel it. Elsa, I think it has a lot to do with something you posted recently about when you finally learned to stand up to the people who posted horrible commments about you on the blog. Maybe it’s two sides of the same coin; their lack of self worth is expressed outwardly as attack towards people who have a lack of self-worth in some area that they keep inside, that may not even be that conscious? I don’t know if this is making sense, I’m trying to work it out as I write. The 12th house Pluto I feel is significant – when unconscious can project or attract manipulation by secret enemies, and when conscious can transform into psychic protection that prevents all this blackness?

I’ve had some friends that have asked “Why does this crap never happen to you?” kinds of questions, which opens up the convo to helping them out of their verbal and non-verbal clues/vibes they are giving off. They don’t see their body language or acquiescing attitudes as something that a bully is going to pick up on. The hunter is going to know the prey’s weaknesses well before she goes in for the attack. I think you hit it dead on Opal. Bullseye!!!