“Consciousness Is A Struggle” Liz Greene

April 18th, 2009 @ 2:21 pm by Elsa

Astrology in real life

subconsciousFrom the comments on Astrology and Short-Sightedness Redux, I wrote in response to AnaBanana:

“I see people doing things they don’t realize they are doing all the time.”

kashmiri wrote:

“…Do you see this as 8th house/scorpio/pluto energy? I’ve heard my sister speak of this.”

Yes. People are not conscious of their unconscious and this includes me. Liz Greene said it best, consciousness is a struggle” and I would add that people in general have no interest in struggling.

It is struggle to figure out what you are doing and much easier to focus on what the other person is doing / what their problem is, in other words, project.

The more a person projects the more they act unconsciously and having pretty good awareness of the havoc a person can wreak due their unconscious drives, I have gone out of my way to train myself not to concern myself with what other people are doing as it is really none of my business and surely not my problem.

Exception is made when someone hires me to read a chart. For example I am working with a gal right now with a Scorpio Mars and an 8th house Moon. She wants to know what she’d doing so I am telling her and for some of us this is so liberating.

It is very rare someone says something POTENT. Like the therapist who told me (Venus square Neptune) 15 years ago that my IQ dropped 50 points when I met a man. Stuff like that is PRICELESS.

Until she said that do you think I knew?

Hell no.



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10 Responses to ““Consciousness Is A Struggle” Liz Greene”

1.
Sanguine
Sanguine

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that people in general have no interest in struggling. I read this Nietzsche quote with this view in mind: “To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.”

Looking up Nietzsche’s birth info on the web, I find that he’s a Libra sun in the 11th with opposition to Pluto in the 5th, Scorpio rising.

 
2.
flyingdog
flyingdog

8th house moon says what about acting subconsciously? I always thought it was more about truth-seeking behavior in unusual places and bringing unconscious fears to the surface? am I wrong on that?

 
3.
Elsa
Elsa

flyingdog – anything that has to do with “truth” is Jupiter / 9th house / Sagittarius..

 
4.
aml
aml

ohhhh, this is a big big struggle. shouldn’t we all be building a sub-marine- or something…i think most of us operate on auto-pilot/ maybe when saturn is put to good work in a chart, it is easier to real deal and be aware of yourself and your motives>>actions in the moment– instead of a post-mort. review

 
5.
kashmiri
kashmiri

I totally missed this.
I feel like those who focus too much on what other people are doing are lazy, because it IS hard to look at yourself. I can my own astrology (questioning why) after reading this. I have 8th House Saturn. I’m inclined to work on my self-awareness (it squares my Sun).
I can easily see how other people would find this an unfair view. I’m on the fence…I guess my Saturn likes tough love.
My sister has 8th House Sun and Moon and finds unconscious behaviour maddening (and boring, I think that’s her Gemini talking).

 
6.
kashmiri
kashmiri

Cripes did any of that paragraph even make sense?

 
7.
AnaBanana
AnaBanana

“people in general have no interest in struggling” Yeah, if they can avoid it.

Funny, my IQ drops 50 (at least) when I’m afraid of something. I’ve learned not to make any decisions under fear. saturn/neptune

 
8.
grrr
grrr

banana me too about the not making decision & saturn/neptune but then I freeze and get nothing done at all. I’ve been withdrawing because … for many reasons including not wanting to embarrass myself being seen doing or saying stuff like a puppet on strings. I best see the unconscious at work with my family, it is saddening heart breaking stuff. Compared to them I realize I am quite conscious, but then my own life is such a mess…
there’s a foreign expression which states: in the land of the blind, the one eye men rules LOL. Not!

 
9.
Mena
Mena

We have “tendencies,” then we have experiences, karmic, early childhood, etc. If we get hurt (which we do), then we develop responses in order to protect/cope that become automatic patterns of response. The more rigid this set of patterns becomes, the less freedom we have to act on our own. (Or even think on our own).

Something else has taken over, and that includes the internal “projector.” We don’t even turn on our own TV or pick our own shows to watch at that point. Some of us become “walking patterns,” and to become conscious of that and to act outside of the pattern is to open oneself up to discomfort automatically in most cases.

In peer counseling they had something for this called doing a DAD, which means decide, act, and discharge (sounds gross, yeah?) So, you realize your pattern won’t let you go to the grocery store, you go to the grocery store anyway, then come back and bawl about it to somebody who is safe to talk to and doesn’t mind having their shirt snotted on. Rinse, and repeat. Viola, a little more consciousness and a freer life. These boards and consults can work this way because astrology can shortcut the trial and error of figuring things out, then there are good folks here who will read with attention. We still have to do the work, then. grrr… in my experience, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man gets targeted and scapegoated (this is how projection plays).

 
10.
grrr
grrr

Mena I love this “decide, act, and discharge”. I’ll share this with my repressed 7th Aries Mars + Neptune/Saturn involving the 8th.

Re. the one-eyed men, that’s why I added NOT! at the end of that expression. As stated above I best see the unconscious at work with my family, I gotta say I was at my best functionality when I was banned. Though I remain a black sheep (the one-eyed men) this ban was lifted a few years back and it’s not been to my or anyone’s benefit that I can see. Yet I must be gaining some hidden benefits/secondary gain. clueless? Tangled strings!

 


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