I study people like Ted Bundy very extensively and, in fact, with no disrespect to Elsa, I have been able to create an astrological model which differentiates this group from a control group. It is a large study with 200 charts in the control group, and hundreds in murder, and murder suicide groups. I also have a longevity group of 200 charts. It is a fairly complicated model involving many, many variables, and I have not published my work yet because there is a statistical program that I need in order to do the final piece, and it costs a thousand bucks which I don’t have at the moment. It will be published within the year.

I was trying to abstain (trying to go out of my way not to sound disagreeable or provocative), but since it has come up again I just have to say that it pains me to hear the stretch of comparing plain old Internet Trolls, who are decidely a pain in the ass, with a very sick, twisted serial killer like Ted Bundy, a man who tortured women and took bites out of their breasts etc.

I was in that sorority house at Florida State during the same year he was, so I saw this pretty up close.

Yeah but……if someone looks at the astrology chart to discover personality traits, is that not the whole nature/nurture argument? Someone with a difficult chart, who had a fairly nurturing environment, vs. someone who did not? Or are we saying that the astrology chart also determines more than just the personality, but everything else in that person’s life (parents, siblings, friends, economic background, education), etc? Someone with a mother who saw that their child needs therapy, intervention, vs. someone who got no such help?

Thanks for that, Elsa, and I understand what you are saying about the continuum dynamic. Now it makes more sense to me, thanks for the explanation.

No Dorothy I am not saying that or anything like that. All I am saying is that I have found a model which basically differentiates extremely troubled human beings from a control group (Keep in mind, it is only one sample group, albiet one of the largest ones I have seen and therefore quite interesting). What I have found is that there are certain variables in combination which show a statistically significantly greater likelihood to represent the ‘troubled souls’ versus the control group. I also found a model which differentiates a group of people who live into their late 80′s and 90′s from a control group.

Not many people can stand to do research like this but my Saturn in Scorpio in the 8th house is very research oriented and it is extremely painstaking, but researchers are out there, and I might hope that we should try to give that support even though we have not seen a lot of findings yet.

By anothr way of example (and on the topic of astro-research) just today I got the April/May volume of The Mountain Astrologer and here is the title of one of the pieces of work. “Sun-Moon and Venus-Mars Ties as a prognosticator in Divorce. It is written by Alexandra Mark. This person is described as a “skeptical Harvard statistician” who is basically scientifically testing that particular astrological theory.

I was the same way, a skeptical statistician. I did not believe that I would have statistically significant findings but I did…lots in fact.

I have not read the article yet but it says that the author has demonstrated that couples with certain chart ties are significantly less likely to divorce. Is that interesting or what?

TMA also published a letter to the editor this month which talks about astrological research and it’s importance.

I believe that looking at charts individually is important too. Looking at a chart from a research angle (trying to note patterns) is a different type of research called qualitative research, my research is called quantitative research and it is exceedingly pain staking and time consuming as you might imagine.

I think being skeptical is a totally positive trait. Most of the affirmative findings that we have in the field have been major studies which have been done by skeptical researchers who are trying to prove a point, namely, that there is nothing whatsoever to astrology.

You know now that I read it in a headline,, it didn’t cross my mind that it might NOT okay to quote something that was said to me in a private consultation and use it’s source (Elsa).

I hope I didn’t cross a line by doing that. if so, i’m sorry.

I was trying to make the point that looking at the chart or our charts together didn’t really show something nefarious i.e. his ‘diagnosed or undiagnosed disorder’ and i was citing my most respected source.

“people who have it easy in life (quite stupidly) think others have it similar and they can be very cold-hearted”

Oh, that is so true and it bothers me so much when it happens.

This the most interesting conversation-in-the-comments I have read in recent memory. I just want to thank y’all!

Loon, way to go with your research! Can you use an evaluation trial of SPSS or R or something? Can you befriend a grad student who will run the analysis for you on their computer?

I think being skeptical is a totally positive trait.

Loonsounds – I love this! Positive and skeptical- aren’t they just a polarity on the same spectrum?
We can all be both – just at different times..