Voice Of Venus Neptune: Reasons Men Want To Marry Me… A Partial List

February 20th, 2009 @ 1:04 pm by Elsa

Astrology in real life

With Venus squaring Neptune on the midheaven, invariably they have me mixed up with someone and while there are many manifestations, these are the main themes:

1. They think I am a character they have seen in a movie.

The most common projections are Appolonia in The Godfather (peasant virgin Italian girl fantasy), Tita, in Like Water For Chocolate (variation of the same theme plus cooking / mothering) and Vianne Rocher in Chocolat (this one is based on appearance and similar energy combined with the man’s desire to be Johnny Depp).

2. I reject them

I am not interested in the man so they set out to conquer or this one takes the opposite expression, they believe me to be the dominatrix of their dreams.

3. They want to save me

They think they’ve found a diamond in the rough and they set out to rescue me from whatever (poverty, bad manners, whatever they think I have) and polish me up to be their jewel.

4. They want me to save them

Alcoholic or similarly impaired, they think if they marry me I will cure all their ills with the magical elixir I obviously have in copious quantity.

5. Generic girl of their dreams

Unknown origin but I’m HER.

6, 7, and 8, they want a black woman but are scared so get me as surrogate, they want to piss off their parents (usually WASP type) or they actually love me!

I could go on but as you can see all of these imaginings are just that. They have absolutely noting to do with me and the men come up with this stuff in about… oh, 30 seconds or so.

Next thing I know, they’re on their knee promising their undying love and I’m scanning the horizon for the nearest exit, do you blame me?

What’s especially killing is 90% of the time (if not higher) the man does not even like me. There is no me, see?

I am just a HOST for the projection and next up, I will tell you how I feel about this. But first…

How would you feel if this were you? How would you handle it?



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37 Responses to “Voice Of Venus Neptune: Reasons Men Want To Marry Me… A Partial List”

1.
Jessica
Jessica

ROFLMAO that is definitely the funniest effing thing I have read all day. #6,7,8, bwahahahaha.

“combined with the man’s desire to be Johnny Depp” :) also bwahahaha.

I don’t know how I would feel! I guess I would just screen it out? Make fun of it like you’re doing? I don’t have this experience on the whole but I have had it with one person, who I realized has zero concept of who I am and is just obsessed with his hologram idea of me – but that person is abusive and personality disordered so he’d probably do that to anyone, he’s got enough Neptune of his own. How did I feel? Just dissociated. Still not sure if I had a real emotion other than wanting to go elsewhere, where somebody did know me.

 
2.
Loonsounds
Loonsounds

I would just get married to my true love then flash the ring in their face. That might at least cut it down by 20 to 50 percent.

 
3.
Elsa
Elsa

Yeah, but discerning who your true love might be in this sea of supposed devotion is a taller challenge then one might imagine!

 
4.
von
von

I can’t even begin to imagine what this would be like. Everyone wants to be my friend and NOT marry me LOL (Hey, I wonder if that’s all my Aquariusness projected onto them? Is that possible?).
I probably would have been engaged many times if I had been in your situation. I’m usually the last to notice when somebody is wrong for me (Neptune in the 7th house).

 
5.
Loonsounds
Loonsounds

O? O!

 
6.
Becca
Becca

I can’t imagine this either. I have enough trouble imagining one man wanting to marry me, never mind forty.

 
7.
Bella
Bella

I wouldn’t like this. I am too much of a queen bee – I want to be known for me, a) because I think that that I am a fairly unique individual :) and b) so I know that that they wouldn’t be looking at every other girl who crossed their path.

 
8.
a.
a.

I find it hard to imagine… Like one of the other commentors, I also have the friend thing (cancerian stellium in the 11th house) — people expect me to listen (and i do), but marriage? When I was religious and lived in a religious community, i had some offers, but not much in the “secular” world.

It does sound pretty annoying though. I hate it when people don’t get “me” which is usually. And then when someone does, wow… i can’t let them go.

 
9.
Elsa
Elsa

Bella, that is exactly right. It is not flattering when someone ignores your personhood and interacts with their imagination.

This goes in the other direction too.. all the people who tell me I suck all the time. It’s the same phenomena, I call them masturbaters actually and I have for almost 20 years which is how I have been on to this.

Because they are no actually interacting with me, what they are doing is wasting my time. Er… can’t you get a blow up doll for this kind of thing?

 
10.
sonah22
sonah22

Cancer stellium in the 11th here too…i am a good friend. That is all. If this were me I don’t know–i’d be so different- so much frustration that i have now would be replaced with another kind i guess…so either way, blech! :P

 
11.
Jennifer
Jennifer

I’d freak the hell out. I’m grateful to be a plain person so I don’t get this kind of crap happening to me, because I very rarely like anyone back PLUS I got raised to go out with whoever asked and “give him a chance.” So I spent a lot of years dating people I had no interest in because mom’s voice was in my head guilting me into it. I feel obligated on some level to be with them because THEY like ME and I can’t afford to be picky ’cause I’m not gorgeous…which is an awful thing to think and I’ve been trying to recover from that thinking for years. I’ve actually managed to turn down a guy or two (though I still feel huge guilt about it to this day). I’d rather not date again until I have even a bit of remote interest in ever seeing the guy again, rather than being quite pleased if I never had to again, but we’re going out on Friday. Bleah!

 
12.
wyrdling
wyrdling

move on. but it took me a long time to figure that one out. I have had a bad habit of doing it, too…

 
13.
furiana
furiana

I’d enjoy the attention. :blush: I’d probably practice on them – practice flirting and attracting and rejecting and all that wonderful stuff.

(There’s a strange sort of balance, I guess: they’re interacting with an abstraction of me, and I’m interacting with an abstraction of them.)

Leo Moon, Venus in Libra.

 
14.
Elsa
Elsa

Well, the things is when the veil drops it’s UGLY. I mean you’re on a date and you open your mouth. Your voice carries – it is not the soft docile voice they imagined you had and they can’t get rid of you fast enough.

This stuff is ugly. I mean, the things I am presenting her… when it takes this form – this is horrendous to live in reality.

 
15.
furiana
furiana

I guess it hasn’t taken that form for me, at least that I recall. :/

 
16.
kashmiri
kashmiri

How I would feel? trapped.
What would I do? run for my life.

I’m not very helpful, I’m sure :(

 
17.
Dorothy
Dorothy

Well, I went through a period in my life with men, in my late teens and early 20′s, before I got married, where they just wanted to have sex with me. They would literally stalk me in the streets, and practically beg me. I have never been able to have a male buddy, unless they were gay, because if they were straight, they always tried to steer it towards the bedroom. I have always attracted sex maniacs and perverts, and for some reason they all assumed I was the same. Maybe this is where my Venus conjunct Uranus came in……but it was also an illusion, because though I am no prude, I was never one to have sex with a man just for the hell of it. Oh God, never. So, marriage proposals, not that many, but come-ons and googly bedroom eyes, oh brother, constantly. So my solution was I married one (my husband is a big-time pervert, but whatever, he’s my pervert).

 
18.
kashmiri
kashmiri

I was proposed to once by my long-term boyfriend. He was in the hosptial, high as a KITE on oxycodone after breaking a zillion bones in his body (including 2 vertebrae).
“I looooooove you! Marrrrrrry meeeeee!”
I was like, “Um, can we talk about this later?”

Then when I brought it up a few weeks later (off drugs) he was like: “HUH? No way!”

Ha ha…yeah! 6 years later we still aren’t married! LOL

 
19.
kashmiri
kashmiri

Dorothy that line made me l.o.l. heh.

 
20.
MzScarlett
MzScarlett

In my 20′s i was proposed to a bunch & totally uninterested. I would pass the guy to a girlfriend and each one, like 4 in succession, wound up married to my hand off. I sensed the guys were ready and i think this is the case alot of times with guys. It’s like … I guess I’m ready to settle down, she looks okay, all her parts work.

I don’t like it when someone projects their ‘stuff’ on me. Just wasted a year on that.

My favorite line of Elsa’s about a guy not seeing who she really is was: “Jeez, didn’t you see I was wearing a purple skirt???? I hate suntan pantyhose.”. I could watch that video all day long.

 
21.
Elsa
Elsa

I had on a GOLD hat too, bought for me by scorpio. Dracula on the story about huge breasted Candy that I never finished.

And then I got some blue suede platform pumps with the Leaning Tower of Pisa on the heel

http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2007/03/17/eclipse-in-pisces-conjunct-pluto-in-aspect-to-my-moon-will-she-let-go-of-her-blue-suede-shoes/

And that pretty much ended our relationship…. which was the quasi-intention of my sister and I when we decided I ought to buy them…

 
22.
falconbridge
falconbridge

I love that movie Chocolat. Unfortunately I wouldn’t know how to handle that situation. I avoid guys in general except for my husband and his Friday friends. I guess I’d be like you and looking for an exit.

 
23.
a
a

@Dorothy- I also attract the sex maniacs and perverts. Something I will never understand – at least I think there must be something in my chart that brings it on? But I don’t know what it is…

I have Virgo rising, I don’t smile– I don’t know what the f**k they see.

And then sometimes I think the non-smiley types of women get a certain type of freaky creep. In fact, on some days, the more unwashed I am, the more I get it…

 
24.
maureen
maureen

This thread triggers sadness in me, because I have frighteningly similar experiences with men. I date ‘em once and they automatically start thinking of me as part of a twosome- and they’re the two in the some. It just makes my soul shrink. How about getting to know me first? The worst part is as you say, when the veil drops.. Anyway, I don’t have Venus Neptune, but I do have Venus in the 7th.. and it’s trine Uranus.

 
25.
Stephanie
Stephanie

Wow, I really can’t relate to this. I’ve got Venus conjunct Saturn and square my Cappy Moon, so nobody even gets close to me unless I want them to. The only man who’s ever proposed to me is my husband, after we’d already discussed marriage for like a year.

That said, this shit would bother me to no end. No, it’s not flattering to have your personhood ignored by guys living out some fantasy.

 
26.
Togi
Togi

I have venus in leo close to the MC but not on it and it’s square Neptune in Scorpio which is on my descendant. I am not sure how this plays out in my chart. I have had many strange encounters but no proposals. I think my excessive pluto overpowers everything else and men are scared of me. Too bad cause my venus in leo really just wants to be adored.

 
27.
Bella
Bella

Togi, I totally relate to the excessive pluto. I have Scorpio rising and sun conjunct mars and pluto. Apparently I intimidate men. They seem to be fascinated by me but terrified of me. The other thing I get is men (total strangers) looking at me like they want to just grab me and **** me. It used to frighten me when I was younger but now I can handle it with looks of total contempt! The pluto thing is hard – it is a very powerful energy and I have learned that it has to be harnessed so it can be used for good rather than letting it abuse me. My Leo MC wants adoration too!

 
28.
a
a

This thread reminds me of another angle. I get the projection stuff from women. Not romantically, but friendship-wise, they project their view of me onto me. And rarely am I who they think I am and the veil does get removed, as has been described here- and it’s an odd thing how others will insist that they know who you are and get angry that you don’t match up with their projection

And like some others here, my Venus (in Leo) just wants to appreciated and adored- but for ME, not for an illusion

 
29.
Lis
Lis

That’s wacky stuff, Elsa. It hasn’t happened to me, but I know it would annoy me to no end. I’m very highly individual, and I don’t like being part of anyone’s “makeovers” or fantasies. With Sun/Mars in the 5th house (dating), and Mars as my ruler, Mars was what they saw. And if they didn’t want to deal with it (a lot didn’t), they bolted or never even came near me.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, Pluto in Scorpio transited that conjunction. I didn’t attract anyone my first year in college. I had way too many issues of my own to sort out that year, dredged up by that transit, and I’m sure guys felt that vibe and were like, “Nope, I’m not going to get into this girl’s pants easily.” I’m also sure the fact that I wore dark sunglasses all the time didn’t exactly give me a friendly, open vibe, either. ;)

Looking back, I dated my fair share of jerks, but this stuff you describe…it would have been hard for me not to yell in their faces to get the f away from me!

 
30.
Lexie
Lexie

I just have such a hard time comprehending your blessing/curse. People are always projecting on me, but they project their fears…so it’s like I’m a walking nightmare instead of you, their walking dream gal.

I often get the ones who want someone overwhelming, but then freak out when they get overwhelmed.

Men are strange.

 
31.
jo
jo

would this be made worse by having neptune transit your first house? Cause i know that you have cap on the ascendant, as do i (28 degrees), and neptune has still not left my first house. (meaning that was this neptune-midheaven aspect energized when neptune transited your 1st house)

 
32.
jo
jo

ah, my mistake, I somehow assumed you had neptune natally in the 12th (slippery thinking, since i have neptune there ), but I realize that’s not the case. I wonder if Neptune transiting the first house though, would have a similar effect, or would it be more personally affective?( like not how others see you, but your own inner self )

 
33.
Elsa
Elsa

jo, yep I have Neptune on the midheaven sq Venus in the 7th. It is really a perfect storm for it be this way. Like I said, people have been trying to marry me since I was 12 – it is a phenomena and it’s no joke.

 
34.
jo
jo

ah, wow. okay i get it now, it’s weird how to consider how planets are arranged in the natal chart, like after having stepped back from their individual meanings.. a lot of times they seem so strategically placed, like an emphasis on a certain sign/energy/planet, and so forth.

 
35.
Elsa
Elsa

well, there is lots at play here. Venus in the 7th rarely has trouble attracting a partner. Uranus in the 7th gives the sudden attraction / love at first sight

Uranus is in aspect (tight) to Jupiter expanding the effect and then Neptune on the midheaven makes me just whatever people want to make of me when I am out in public.

Also this is just one form this takes. I have people suddenly turn on me – love me and then hate me for no reason I can point to.

I have gone from “most beautiful woman in the world: to “Nigger who will make nigger babies” without so much as changing a hair on my head to it’s both bewildering (Neptune) and shocking (Uranus).

Sorry for the N word, but it was the one that was used (repeatedly).

 
36.
goddess
goddess

dorothy, you’re cracking me up. got one of my own pervs at home, too. :lol: our scorpio mars do just fine together.

people don’t tend to project their fantasies on me, thank god. i know it would drive me batty. instead, i have people chonically underestimate me. maybe it’s neptune opposing the midheaven? dunno. while it’s annoying, i have no doubt it’s much less painful to deal with than the flip side of being pursued as a fantasy.

 
37.
Amethyst
Amethyst

Okay, I know this is old but I have to comment anyway. Something very similar happens to me. I like to have male friends, but I usually don’t because of it. I know what you mean about unflattering. Like I’m good enought to date/marry, but not good enough to be friends with. So, my purpose in life is being half of a couple and that’s all? Now that I’m married, the men actually get mad at me when they find out. Even if they just freaking met me. (Really, I’m not flirty and I usually bring up my husband as soon as I get the vibe, I wear a big filigree wedding ring for Christssake!) Are they mad because I am married, or mad because I won’t leave my husband for them? I don’t know.

Also, I think that’s terrible what a previous commentor said about feeling guilty for not “giving someone a chance.” Going out with someone you don’t like is a waste of time for you both. Trust your gut! God/nature gave you intuition for a reason. Any guy who holds a grudge because you wouldn’t “give him a chance,” is most likely a control freak anyway.

 


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