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Open Question Regarding Level Of Perception And Ability To Discern

January 31st, 2009 @ 6:05 am by Elsa

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“A word is not the same with one writer as it is with another. One tears it from his guts. The other pulls it out of his overcoat pocket.
– Charles Péguy

Can you tell the difference?

Péguy – Sun conjunct Saturn in Capricorn. Mercury in Sagittarius

pictured – Charles Péguy – portrait par Pierre Laurens.

Ask the Collective, Astrology, saturn-in-virgo, 13 comments | Posted at 6:05 am

13 Responses to “Open Question Regarding Level Of Perception And Ability To Discern”

Dorothy

I think this is the difference between passion and control? I am always more drawn to the passionate of course.

1/31/09 @ 7:03 am (reply)

dolce

The one taking it out of an overcoat pocket, to me, is usually detached and objective, has good perspective on life, in the sense that things don’t get to him easily. He’s taken the word out of his coat, holds it in his hand and observes it, displays it to others, doesn’t need it.

The other is emotionally enmeshed, I would think, and lays it out there and battles with it, it kind of controls him. He needs to defeat it or be defeated. His passion is his display, as opposed to the word itself. (Although the detached reaction is also a display, but the focus is on the word.)

1/31/09 @ 8:13 am (reply)

circle.dot.raindrops

Hmm.

I already know I’m the first one. The one that must take it out of the gut. It’s hard not to personalize these descriptions. Hours upon hours, days upon sleepless days of writing a paper, while peers whiz through a 5-pager with an all-nighter. And then, people tell me to try to B.S. my way through it… O_o I don’t know how to B.S., peoples!

Woot…. that’s Capricorn energy as a young person for ya. (Mercury-Saturn conjunct)

The second is very much Gemini energy. It’s a breeze for them to pull words (and new words) out of their many coat pockets. Or maybe Mercury-Uranus folks have got this. Writing is an activity, a fun way to play with words. aka Wordplay. Everything is at their finger tips. They don’t cry over it, it’s not a product ripped out of their souls. Cause, well, it’s B.S. Though, haha, oftentimes pretty damn artful/skillful B.S. and wordplay.

e e cummings.
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~thier/ee/

This is just my point of view and I love e e cummings.

1/31/09 @ 8:33 am (reply)

Luci

One person’s strength in saying what he means well and with a passion others can understand is not easy for someone else, who may struggle to get across the same feeling/thought.

I guess it goes for everything, really. Everyone has strength and weakness.

1/31/09 @ 8:54 am (reply)

Tam

I see it terms of a song writer. The words of the song are either felt or thought.

“One tears it from his guts.” The person writing the song knows how it feels. Like Don Gibson’s words “Sweet dreams of you every night I go through”

“The other pulls it out of his overcoat pocket.”
The person writing this song has thought about this. Like Sting saying “Then I went off to fight some battle that I’d invented inside my head”

1/31/09 @ 9:03 am (reply)

Becca

I know I’m the second type, but it’s hard for me to tell the difference with other people.

1/31/09 @ 10:23 am (reply)

maureen

Both have value. Everybody has their own voice. I like some writers, and can’t stand some others. Instantly get what some are trying to say, and am baffled by others. With some, I don’t bother trying, with others, I give it time. Thing is, when people don’t get me, I’m often pained. I need to feel understood.

1/31/09 @ 10:57 am (reply)

satori

I pull mine out of my nose and hope no one notices. I do, however, get to feel superior to those who pull theirs out of their butt.

1/31/09 @ 11:36 am (reply)

miss

@ satori, omg your comments always make me laugh, cause I can soooo relatat,lol.

1/31/09 @ 2:16 pm (reply)

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Charlotte

Oh yeah. When I was in a philosophy class we went from Kant (Libra) to Hegel (Virgo) to Marx (Aries) and you so could tell. Placid, carefully constructed texts to vibrant passionate declarations. It was striking.

1/31/09 @ 4:34 pm (reply)

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PixieDust

I can enjoy it either way, but I like both; that is why my favorite artistic flavor is bittersweet.

1/31/09 @ 4:51 pm (reply)

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Little Miss Hermit

Yes, at lest in fiction – which is why I’m such a big fan of Dostevsky:)

In the realm of ideas, it sees to depend on my synastry with the writer – like I got Heidegger instantly, whose Sun is on my Mercury-Pluto conjunction as it turned out:)

2/1/09 @ 9:04 am (reply)

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circle.dot.raindrops

Elsa:
*lifts face out of dirt several weeks later*
*fails*

me = officially pwned by Elsa.

anyway, the poor guy has to wear clunky pieces of academic armor. he’s writing to another eggheads… who may or may not understand him. so he’s incomprehensible.

yeah. triple pwned.

anyway, i was about to say you write very well and you hit all of his points. even if he never does for us.

sigh.

*lays face back into dirt*

2/20/09 @ 10:15 pm (reply)