Lives: Some Are More Predictable Then Others… Plus Destiny, Commitment-Phobia, Independence And Those Rotten Special Forces Soldiers Who Trick You All The Time ;-)
Astrology in real life
The soldier referred to me today as, “Elsa P, the un-catch-able catch”. He dreams of our showing up at our wedding… and it not going off due my cold feet. This is a perfect expression of the sky right now by the way. Venus is conjunct Uranus in Pisces… I don’t know how you get more “runaway bride” then that and it’s in aspect to Saturn… that would be the fear, or the self control that prevents acting on the impulse to escape.
I really do think we are going to marry but who knows how or when. We seem to have so little to say about what happens in our lives. This is both of us, I mean. For example when I had a baby, never in a million years did I expect it to turn out the way it has and I surely never thought I’d see the soldier again - I had counted him dead for 20 years at least!
Anyway this reminds me of something he told me about 3 years and ago and it was spooky because Scott (who I met when I was 15) told me essentially the same thing.
Scott said I would never settle with a man… it just was not in my nature. The soldier hada slightly different version.
He said he thought it was possible no man could keep me. He considers me a light and he said it was possible this was my job in life, the full description of it. He said he would like to marry me and went as far as to say he was pretty sure if I was meant to be with anyone, he thought it was him.
“What do you mean?” I asked. This was some years ago and I was pretty cagey around him because people were questioning his motives all the time. You know, those SF guys psych you out. They can’t be trusted
“I mean, you may not be meant to be with a man but if there is any man on this planet who can be with you, I think it’s me and I would like to try.”
I don’t know how this sounds to the outsider but it was a hell of a conversation. “You think you’re the only man for me?” I asked, wanting to clarify completely.
“No, I don’t know that. I think there may be no man for you but if you are meant to be with a man, I’d say I am that man. I have been thinking about this deeply and I’ve studied it and tried to figure it out for 3 years and I think I may have done it. I hope I have, I mean. I think I have but I just don’t know because Panizzon… you’re almost impossible.”
“But you can do it?”
“Maybe, yes?”
“How.”
“Not going tell you. Are you kidding me? I figure out how to be with Elsa Panizzon and you think I am going to tell anyone?” He laughed. “I am not going tell anyone anything. It took some brains to figure this out and if someone else thinks they have the brains to do it, let them try but they won’t be getting any help from me. Come on, P. I want you for myself, you know that. The last thing I am going to do is tell anyone how to make and keep you happy. If they’ve got the brains, then they can try but I don’t think they’ve got brains….”
I think today we are in agreement. There is a man for me and it is him however there is no 100% and don’t get me wrong. I am completely committed. I am totally committed which I remind him now and then, is a circumstance I have never put myself in, ever. But I was committed when I had a baby too, see? And it didn’t matter did it. It absolutely did not matter because what I would or could or was willing to do because the universe had other plans.
I see people who live the lives they set out to, pretty much with out detour. But then there are people like me (and the soldier) who KNOW it will never go as expected. We are ALWAYS going to sent God knows where for God knows what reason.
Do I go to work when I am 17, expecting to be sexually harassed? Of course not but next thing I know I have to organize a lawsuit. I didn’t know when I responded to a spam mail and started a blog, I’d be doing this 10 years later.
My whole life has been life that and so has his. Do you think a Special Forces soldier knows when the phone is going to ring. They don’t. To this day… he is right now sitting in a truck waiting to find out in which direction he will be headed and there is no telling what will occur en route.
So the point is we’re getting married… supposedly in Tombstone… supposedly we have the months narrowed down to 2 but the odds this will actually happen are literally unknown. Could be 95%, could be 5% and whatever it is that stops it or starts it… I bet you it has little to do with our will.
Like winding up at that truck stop with Band of Gold playing, or having to stand in the back of that Catholic church to hear that couple say, “I do”. Human beings cannot design things like that.
The soldier and I could be walking down the street and have someone approach and offer to marry us the same way that guy pulled up next to me leaving the grocery store and offered to fix my car. Would we do it? Of course! We would think it was God talkin’ see? We would think it was a sign.
Has your life proceeded reasonably as planned or are you one of those who gets the rug yanked? Where is Uranus in your chart?

33 Responses to “Lives: Some Are More Predictable Then Others… Plus Destiny, Commitment-Phobia, Independence And Those Rotten Special Forces Soldiers Who Trick You All The Time ;-)”
I just realized I became homeless when I was 15 with less than one moment’s notice. ::shakes head::
Uranus is part of an earth grand trine in my chart in the earth houses. Change is part of the routine. You just roll with it.
Unranus in the first house in virgo. Not only have I moved about 30times already, I like it. Nothing has been stable for me except for the last 12 years that I’ve stayed in one town for the sake of my kids. But I moved five times.
The rug gets yanked over and over again.
I have Uranus conjunct Venus in Leo, in the 10th house. I have no idea what this has to do with all the rug yanking in my life, but anyway, thats’ where uranus is for me.
I plan/work toward goals (Virgo stellium Cap rising) but I get the rug pulled out from under me. I’d rather have that scenario than cultivate boredom and/or stagnation though.
Uranus is oriental in the 9th, square Vesta/Mars/Asc/, Conjunct Ceres/Pluto, Opp Chiron, and trine Moon.
I never had a all-encompassing “plan.” Do people do that?
My sister and I talked for a long time this weekend about mid-life stuff & goals and plans & I was bumming out that I don’t have any plans/goals right now & that makes me sad. Even with the rug-pulling I like to have goals.
I used to have plans-I think the safety of school did that- but Pluto transits have taught me differently. Uranus is in the 4th, Sag in a grand trine with the moon and ascendant, so I’m very good at adjusting and changing. I’m also moving and dealing with weird things with houses–including crack addict neighbors, an apartment fire the day I moved in and a car crash in my driveway. This was all in the past two years!
But some other force is in control a lot of the time, so it is still a plan I feel. The disasters were a plan to get me to move out of a city and to also live alone. But I ony buy furniture I don’t mind losing now, and I don’t expect to know next year at this rate!
Some of us have no choice but to surrender- and when I meet people who want plans, they don’t change as much, and not all of them are as happy because there isn’t a facing of dangers or fears or even an acceptance of loss. Not that I think getting the rug pulled is superior, but I think accepting it does a lot to the satisfaction level of life. I think it’s really cool that you’re doing that even with marriage. I mean, living in the moment and being satisfied with what you have now. I just started learning this stuff and it is so cool!
There is absolutely no plan that I’m aware of. I mean there may be a plan but I’m not privy to that information.
Uranus in Virgo conjunct midheaven.
Well I just think we are going to try to get married in Tombstone and we probably will… unless God is laughing right now.
I feel very much an instrument of this universe and I always have… since I was about 5 so whatever. I just keep showing up.
Well, if you’re going to end up GOD KNOWS WHERE and GOD KNOWS WHEN, why not do it with your soldier???? I hope Tombstone happens,Elsa. Make it so!
Well, we think we’re going to end up married because the universe is and has been throwing us together, rather than keeping us apart although it may seem otherwise seeing as he is a truck. We just have a wide scope on this because if you put it in the context of the rest of our lives you can see the art in it. All love should be art, yes? Venus ruled!
yes yes yes–you and the soldier–a very artful way to live the rest of your life..hmm?? I see it happening Elsa.. you two have waited a lonnnnngnnggggg time…
the rest of your life–well,why not put him into it and see if the universe keeps him there?
blessings! what are the two months in question??
My rug is constantly yanked, but I’ve grown used to it. I don’t expect much
My Uranus is in Libra, in the 8th - and it’s tied up in a T-Square opp my Sun (and Merc) & squaring Jupiter…in fact, I have a Jupiter/Uranus transit coming up…should be fun! ![]()
p.s. I agree w/the soldier, he is definitely the man for you - I’ve felt that way since he popped up again…never thought the AMF was the right guy for you. You will end up married, but I’m fairly certain you will be the most shocked that it happened! LOL
“never thought the AMF was the right guy for you.”
God, I hate when people say things like that. Jeez, it just feels so punishing and for what?
Lilly, I know you don’t mean to hurt me but I just had to say something.
And further…
If I had to go through what I did in the 3 years I was with him, without him, well I just don’t think I’d have survived. He helped me more than you can possibly imagine… he was not the wrong man.
Uranus rising here. I don’t make plans more than 3 months in advance. I flip out having to sign a lease committing for the next 18 months (which you have to here), I only do that because the housing is tight here and you can’t do anything else. I thoroughly expect to be Struck Down if I try to make any plans. I had about ten years- ages 18-28 or so- where unexpected events happened to me about every other week. Drama eruptions galore that I was NOT bringing upon myself. I am the living embodiment of the Tower card in tarot. Now it’s down to say, monthly, but still. I’m a drama/chaos/weirdness magnet and I know better than to make a plan!
Of course, now that after the SR has occurred, I should be up to planning now because the big ol’ anvil hanging over my head for 10 years dropped, the drama level died down, etc. But I’m still scared to even try to do one. I got spanked for too long.
I have Uranus in Scorpio in the 7th house square sun, mercury, mars
The bigger changes in my life, or rather the ones that affect me the strongest, probably are those related to relationships.
My life has definitely NOT gone as planned BUT I am starting to realize that a lot of the “detours” have been caused by my own volatility. LOL I pull the rug out from under myself.
That being said though… I do feel that there is some sort of plan. Even the most stupid mistakes I’ve made have led me on a better path. So, well, maybe it’s the universe’s plan for me to undo my life like I do sometimes. I am trying to be better about it though.. and actually stop and think before doing things on such an impulse. Oh the lessons we are here to learn lol
Uranus in the first here but might as well be on the asc bcz I used to be the drama/stalker magnet. One time a witch put a spell on me because she thought that would get me away from her boyfriend (who was just a loser anyway, why would I want him). I suppose it was a big lesson in boundaries, the hard way. I can’t tell either when they are stalkers so I’m just super cautious now and have tried to be very under the radar lately for many reasons. Its worked, I’ve stayed out of trouble for a while.
I can’t believe I wrote “a witch put a spell on me” ha ha ha but it was true. She actually made a sort of doll and gave it to him and bad things happened to him, her and them. I figured out how to be protected, luckly, I usually land on my feet.
Uranus in the 6th trine sun/venus/mars…rug yanked all the time. Yeah, but I kinda like it. Every day I wake up and know that anything is possible, anything can happen! yes! ![]()
And Elsa, I am so rooting for you two! Keep showing up. It’s gonna happen!! ![]()
Elsa, I’m sorry if what I said hurt or offended you. I know you know I didn’t mean it like that. I’m very glad that he was there for you when you needed it, and I’m sure you don’t regret the relationship one whit. Please accept my apologies…
Thanks, Lilly, I do.
I would not trade one minute of the time I spent with him for anything. I learned so much from him it’s a joke.. He absolutely sustained me through one of the worst times in my life BAR NONE and I’d just like to say in general it just pays to remember this around here: You Don’t Know The Half Of It.
Rug = always yanked, but I seem to do the yanking myself… Sun conj. Uranus (really tight but out-of-sign - that’s ok, thank God something mitigates it).
“All love should be art, yes? ” absofuckin’lutely! (said like Mr. Big)
“You Don’t Know The Half Of It” - really, words to live by for everyone, yeah?
hah. i try not to make plans for more than a year or so out because i know things will come up… starting to figure out the trick of following my gut and intuiting preparation so i can catch the boats when they’re in. or deal with crisis as they occur. i haven’t known my gut to be wrong, though often it’s been confusing enough i ignored it, especially when i was younger…
uhm, uranus is part of my saturn mercury t square. it’s in the third, in scorpio. sextile my ascendant and messing with my venus.
“I mean there may be a plan but I’m not privy to that information” Lupa…thank you.. I also have Uranus conjunct my Scorpio Midheaven and I feel very much the same way.
I see this unfolding with my artwork. I am so incredibly proud of the direction it it taken. I feel like finally I am able to SPEAK. The colours, the lights, everything…I would die without it. And it feels spontaneous but I KNOW it comes from me…from my spirit and my guides and heaven.
Elsa every time I read about you being 15 and homeless my heart just about bursts. I know our lives have been very different but I too was a homeless teenager and I feel a kinship with people who share this experience with me.
(My boyfriend was, too). It makes me feel less alone in the world so thank you.:)
My rug gets yanked regularly, sometimes by me and sometimes by others, but only every few years. So I can make semi-long-term plans.
I’m in school now and am on track to get a PsyD in ten years, which is only the second long-range plan I’ve ever made.
Uranus in Scorp squared Aquarius moon.
danastclr - lol! Very similar stories! We moved so much when I was a kid that I went to a different elementary school *every* year from first to fifth grade. Hell, we moved across the country and back during the summer before third grade! In 1995, I moved to Wisconsin and stayed in the same house (!!!) for 13 years.
Virgo Uranus, conj Ascendent and Pluto. Rug? Is that thing that appears ever so briefly beneath my feet then - whoosh! it’s gone! - disappears while I scramble to stay upright supposed to be a rug? lol!
I just roll with it. My guy now is Mr. Planner, and he asks me “what are you going to do when…” and I say “what I can”. He looks at me like I have six heads.
Kris, I totally get it. My brother and mother are the type that think the gas tank is on empty if there’s a quarter tank or need specific directions given to them while driving, blocks ahead of time. and I’m just like, chill out, we’ll turn when we turn or there’s a hundred miles of gas left! lol! But yea, I think us uranus types will be ready for anything during these crazy econimic times. To us its just another day. What do you think?
economic
Well, Uranus is conjunct Venus and is in the 6th. I’ve never had steady employment (I know this might look bad, but I hated what I did (secretary), so I was prone to bouncing around) or relationships, until I got married. Even now, I don’t see him a lot, and it doesn’t bother me one bit.
I remember writing to Elsa over a year ago about how I used to envy the girls who married their HS boyfriends. It’s just not in the cards for me. I mean, even when I was engaged, I still had men seriously pursuing me…the troo luv rug is always going to get yanked, but I’ve learned to roll with it.
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Uranus in my first house in leo. I am a person who is willing to risk failure in an effort to achieve my goals. But I am convinced that a large part of my life has been fated, including my five younger siblings, the husband, and four children.