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It would be hard to judge how Plutonian one is by your standard, although it sounds like a perfectly spiffy standard to me.

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['Neptune won't let me see!']

I believe I appear plutonian to others, maybe, but not too sure if that fits me. I have pluto conjunt uranus in my 4th house with a yod configuration to my moon in the 9th and venus in the 2nd. I have neptune in scorp in the 6th house also with a square to my moon.

p., my daughter has a stellium in the 8th, moon in scorpo conj. pluoto on the midheaven. i do consider her Plutonian. She’s young, and I don’t thinks she’s aware of the amount of energy at her disposal yet, but she is wise in how she does direct in from what i’ve seen so far. that makes me happy.

she’s also extremely creative. music, drawing, writing, design. she just has a lot of that energy about her. too bad i don’t get to see most of what she does. ha!

Shell, the insane asylum dream is very 12th house, and it would take a strong sort to handle that work, like Pluto. Did you get into powerful behind-the-scenes work in your career? Someone I know with a 12th house Pluto near the ascendant went into a ranking military career, for example. Scorpio asc might make you someone with an apparent image of self-authority, or someone whom others feel can see through others, a penetrating insight. Also, personally very interested in the idea that 12th house planets represent what is hidden from public view, co-existing with the notion that others can see this aspect of you better than you yourself can…the idea of the 12th house as being ‘veiled’. What do you think people notice in you about your Scorpio/Pluto? Do you think that this aspect of your identity is more mysterious to you or to other people?

I think Elsa has made a very good point.
I know plenty of Scorpios and I do not think they are plutonian. I think steliums come in too play
and 12th house rulership as well as planets in the 12th house aspecting Pluto. Plutonian to me is hidden below the surface. I look at the 12th house as the back of something. EX> you are walking someone is behind you but you can’t see them. There is an oil well in underground in your yard. You don’t know about it. Plutonian.
You know something is under the ground, you know its there. like when someone is walking behind you. You know its there you just can’t see what it is. That is Pluto by itself. Plutonian.
Now add other planets and it manifests in a different way. So perhaps there are degrees of plutonian. Negative aspects 2 people come to mind John Gacey, he dressed up like a clown and killed like 30 people and barried them under his house. And hitler..and evryone knows what he did.
Today I have virgo blinders on and would like to have an example of positive plutonian if anyone could interject on this ?

Reality - a more positive plutonian:

a friend of mine is a therapist who works at Bellevue in NYC. She did forensics and now works with the severely mentally insane, people who have killed because of delusions, etc. Who knows exactly how much she can accomplish, but she’s got 5 planets and her ascendant in Scorpio. What’s incredible to me is her easy going temperment and great sense of humor, because it covers how deep she constantly goes. She’s a person who I am sure gets things at that deeper, hidden level, and does so instinctually. Therefore she is comfortable around and curious about the types of people she works with in a mental hospital, and provides a service. Hope that makes sense!

Stacey
Its sounds plutonian by astrology definition.
But please give an example of what character traits or activities that show glimmer of plutonian ?

Unfortunately, the character traits for this person are negative. He wants to be in control of others. He’s manipulative and a tad on the obsessive side. He’s also intense - nothing is ever done halfway, it’s either all the way, or not at all!

I have four planets in Scorpio (two in the twelfth and two in the first), my ascendant in Scorpio, My Leo Pluto is in the ninth, highest planet in my chart, conjunct Saturn and square my ascendant and three of the planets in Scorpio. I consider myself a Plutonian and am proud of it. I do personal coaching– transformational work of various kinds. I am able to go to the heart of the issue my clients present and transform the energy in a very powerful and grounded way. All of the qualities of Scorpio (even though I have a lot of hard aspects) work very well for me and my clients.

Moon conjuct neptune in scorpio. Pluto in the eighth house, trine the sun. I don’t know if that passes. I know I can create, reboot and revive when I need to, and I know I can just pull miracles out of nowhere sometimes.

But mostly those aspects have kicked my ass.

L. thanks. Are you sure the phrase originated with her? I ask because I heard David Pond use it in a workshop years ago and he did not credit her as I recall. He said, “I call them O, P, P’s - Outer Planet People.”

I’m asking because I would like to give proper credit. Did Cunningham write it in one of her books maybe?

Outer planet person… LOL. Don’t know who might have said it first, not sure it matters, suspect that phrases that get used have been used for decades and more, & don’t think anyone can copywrite a phrase anyway, but the whole thing strikes me funny just by concept. ‘Outer planet person’ because it seems a very fine line (by my own twisted thinking) between ‘outer planet person, ‘out there person’ ‘other worldly person’ and any number other wild ideas come to mind.

I can see a Loonsounds humor on ‘outer planet people’ versus ‘inner planet people’ but someone else could probably write it funnier.

I know I’m Plutonian. And I have a very close relationship (someone I think who would be, in Elsa-speak, my soldier - though he’s not a soldier, but a musician) … who is also. Our energy together is like soul mates. But I think it’s really just that Pluto / spiritual connection. We fear not each others wounds. And bond by them instead. Even if he ends up marrying someone else, he’s still mine. And I’m still his. If not this life time than the next. And we both agree this the case.

I have first house house Pluto conjunct Mercury plugged into a grand trine. He has a stellium in the 8th with Scorpio rising.

What P says echoes very closely what he describes, in regards to music. He needs music to search and live out his soul.

I agree with Elsa that “Plutonian” would just be a way of saying that you have Pluto energy somehow dominating your chart. I have become fascinated by it, and bought a bunch of book on it … why? Because I think it’s so great and powerful? No. Because I want to heal.

Because I’m tired of being walking wounded. Because I’m tired of having people run away when I speak as my authentic self. Because I’m ready to authenticate “out loud” with out being shot … meaning, I’m ready to stop being alien among everyone else. I talk about death and the spirit world and karma and how meaningless this all may or may not be … as easily as most people have those elevator conversations about “what’s the weather?”. I can find out in about 1 minute if someone believes in god and can get them questioning their religion in about 1 minute more in an alternative elevator conversation. And is that powerful?

Sure. But power is just like anything else, just like a pencil or a gun or plate. It’s just a tool. And in the words of Ani Difranco, “Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.” But any tool can also be a salve if you hold it right. I think Pluto just packs a bigger punch.

I also think that bigger is better mentality is short-sighted. Sometimes it is better, and sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I’ve wished my Uranus qualities were more accessible than my Pluto ones. I feel like I have to go into so many situations in my life with a canon when I just wish I had a stun gun. I detonate relationships I meant to just shake up.

I respect my Pluto energy. But it hurts. And it’s hard.

(((althera)))
Going through almost the same thing right now. Hang in there, babe.

Missed this previously. Stellium in Scorp, first house Pluto– does this mean I can….

TAKE OVER THE WORLD????

Mwahhhh…(the pixie dust is just a cover..)

Undertaking my “Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove” World Tour is a recent decision, so I’m not sure where to begin. But yes, the magic carpets there are very convenient for surveying the lay of the land, so strategically you may be on to something.

I will keep you posted of my movements, even though this is a public forum. The anti-world-taker-overs don’t believe in astrology, they think we’re too lovey-dovey and new age to do things like this, so they’d never think to check here for information.

Off to Google maps!!

It’s definitely a continuum. I know some people who have extra Pluto in their charts who don’t seem to use it all that much. I have never identified, but I’ve realized slowly that my Mercury conjunct Pluto and my NN and Uranus in Scorpio produce more ‘Plutonicity’ than I previously realized.

I have a 1st house Scorpio stellium (Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus) while Pluto is conjunct my Sun and ASC, sextile my Mars, and square my MC.

On the positive side, one can transform both their own lives as well as others’ for the greater good through sheer will and emotional strength. A fine example for this would be my job as a special education teacher and the assistance I provide to a very underserved part of society.

On the negative side, that emotional strength can also lead to emotional power plays in every type of relationship and intense self-analysis and self-hatred that is very difficult to break.

I like to say that I have already lived several lives because of the transformations that I undergo every few years that set me on a totally new path: I hate to change but know that it is inevitable.

Thank you, Althea! That’s very interesting, especially the leadership part. I also have Uranus in the 1st, so I often feel that some of my own personal transformations can and have been helpful to other people when I have shared my experiences, and I don’t mind going out on a limb and having people think I’m weird by recounting them. (The Scorp is Sun, Merc and Neptune) I’m good at getting people to see the benefit of their hardships and to recognize their growth through change. People find me healing; maybe for you, too, it’s that idea that we learn what we need to know by teaching? I would guess that the more you explore healing, the more help you are to others, and the more you heal yourself.

Emotionally, we can go anywhere, and that is a tremendous advantage when we are so sensitive to our environments. We Pluto types are hard to kill– we just rise up again! Perhaps our example provides hope for others who have less faith in the process.

Thanks again!

PixieDust - that is very inspirational. I very much like that idea of providing hope.

I am just beginning to consciously try to integrate this. I don’t think of myself as healing for others, but maybe I will become more so as I do heal myself.

Thank you!!

hm.
interesting way of describing it.
i’ll be thinking about that for awhile now… it’s kind of my main goal as a teacher of 12 year olds… that planting of seeds….

i believe i carry that energy with me. i have to work hard not to scare people away or become too dark… & i definitely haven’t used the energy as well as i could, yet. my (few) close friends have all let me know at some point that i changed their lives, but i can’t pinpoint how exactly i’ve done it. so one thing i want to work on is my intention and objectivity. until getting more involved in my chart reading i didn’t realize i had *any* plutonian energy and was always puzzled when people (especially adults who treated me with an odd amount of respect and reserve) commented on how “calm, clear, and mature” i was. what? i felt like a burgeoning thunderstorm at every second. also it was always a puzzle to me as to why i seemed to intimidate without trying… kind of a lonely feeling to scare people without trying or knowing why. until i came to recognize this, i had a bit of a vendetta against scorpios. we would end up in power struggles, biting each other’s head off and eventually keeping our distance to save the annoyance. i finally recognized that i loathed it because it was in ME. i then, by fate, became friends (blurred definition) with a plethora of scorpios within the space of few months who pretty much changed my life, and now i get it. so let’s see…

pluto in scorpio in the 4th house, scorpio in the fifth house, and moon square pluto. working most of it out, going through another emotional transformation as of late, this time to solve the problem my venus in cancer in the 12th house causes. total overhaul to make this one happen.

oh and Mars in Scorpio