The Secret Lives Of Virgo: They All Have Them! Appealing or Otherwise

loren sophiaSpeaking of the secret lives of Virgo, disgraced politician, Mark Foley is a Virgo.

So is Michael Jackson.

So is the very clean Hugh Grant… who was caught cheating on his model girlfriend with a whore, Divine Brown. Whoops!

How are these for examples of secret lives?

And don’t go jumping on this because there are other, classier examples. For example, Virgo, Sophia Loren. Years ago when a reporter yelled at her, “Hey Sophia! What are you doing with that old man?” (Carlo Ponti)

“None of your business!” she yelled back.

So there you go. Some Virgos are aware of their secret lives, others delude themselves.

For example, Leonard Cohen, another Virgo acknowledges his secret life in his song, “In My Secret Life“. He does it again in another song, “The Future“. But the Mark Foley types are far more common. I mean, he’s an extreme example but this is the point:

leonard cohenVirgo likes to see themselves as innocent maiden do-gooders. The men as well at the women, this is. So they just deny all the heinous things they do which are easily as numerous as the rest of peeps in the zodiac.

Virgo’s cheat on their taxes and on their husbands and wives. They act like punks just like everybody else in the zodiac and just as frequently.

But you best be careful pointing this out to them because by and large they won’t like it. Virgo wants to be flawless, see. So they project the Pisces, the sign opposite, the sign that knows everything is askew away from themselves. And this has an unfortunate affect, obviously.

The really smart Virgos embrace and even covet their secret life. And these are the Virgos who have tremendous appeal. Like Sophia Loren.

Isn’t she always pulled together? Look how she presents. Perfection! She’s a textbook Virgo (Virgin). Can you imagine her showing up for work with with her hair messed up from last night’s sex? Forget about it! She’s a Virgo!

But she doesn’t claim sainthood. Obviously she’s drawn to the old man and has been since she was 15. So what do you think they’re up to? Hmm. None of your business!

Compare to Foley who takes a public stance against what he does in private. Ack! That’s bad Virgo.

So what about you? Come on Virgos. Speak! Do you have a secret life or not too sure about that? And what about the Virgos the rest of you know. Do you notice they deny the things about them that are not “pristine”?

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  1. Your first post about this darker side of Virgo came just in time over here… My stepfather is Virgo, and I stumbled across some less-than-nice things about him. I spent about a month agonizing over whether to tell my mother and disrupt her happiness… Which is where the ‘just in time’ part came in. He’s a good man over all, treats her great, and she would never accept or understand these things about him. It would destroy their marriage, her peace of mind, and most likely her willingness to try love again, and for what? He doesn’t seem to be doing anything that will hurt anything but her pride. So… I bite my tongue and accept that he’s not as perfect as he seems and they get to continue being happy.

    (Though I think he suspects that I know, which is making things interesting between us, but I’m not saying a damned thing to him either!)

  2. You’re right about this, Elsa. I have a story for you, but I don’t have the time to type it right now. I will later. All I can say is that now I hate Virgos more than Scorpios.

  3. Elsa, I have so been looking forward to this post ever since you mentioned the secret Virgo life the first time. I’m pretty Virgo, and I have many secret lives – that is I keep my imagination entertained and my life rich – with circles of friends and (potential imaginary) lovers. But I do want to stress, the intention is not to deceive, not at all. No cheating involved, it’s just layers of my life some of which are private, some of which are more disclosed. And you see, magic is, sometimes, in containment.

  4. I just read the Cohen lines, and God it hit a chord, and made me snicker too, because it made me realise that even in my posts, there are secrets between the lines, and I left some out of course :-).

  5. A Virgo I knew would tell me absolutely or relatively jack shit about himself (I’ve probably mentioned this already but it works in this part of the subject too I guess). Not even why he was in the place I met him. And goddamn it I’m curious! It’s not that alluring to be kept in the dark about someone’s backstory. He was born on September 10th, apparently a day for secret keepers as I read in a :cough cough: birthday book.

  6. Virgo rising here. I used to spend time in two vastly different communities simultaneously; one was where I let my hair down totally, the other was where I worried so much about what people would think of me. I thought I would die if the second community knew about my wild proclivities. I had two Virgo boyfriends; one was a notorious liar, the other kept certain activities from me.

  7. My mother was a Virgo, Aquarius moon, and she was an aloholic, a fact she tried to hide for years, to the extent that she would try to pretend the problem was something else, usually “you kids”.

  8. I have beautiful, intense friendships with Virgo women and I loathe Virgo men. (We’re in the same boat, Marly)!
    I had a Scorpio friend who was always keen to tell everyone that Scorps like the darker side of life, more than anyone because they are “all about sex and death” how exciting they are, blah blah.
    Then she started dating a Virgo! Ha Ha! You want the dark side, baby?

    I lived with my friend and her Virgo husband for a year when I moved back from overseas. He was kind, congenial, clean, would always be up early, washing dishes with the tea made. Then he told my friend that I had come onto him. I hadn’t. Luckily she believed me: it turns out Mr Perfect Husband had had numerous affairs and she couldn’t trust him anyway, so she trusted me. Lucky for me. I still can’t figure out why the hell he’d lie about something like that. I suspect he was as delusional as I was stupid and naive about living with a married couple.

  9. OMG, Christine! I believe it. That’s what I HATE about Virgo men. My ex-husband was born 8/30 and my ex-bf 8/29. They were always the perfect ones and everything was my fault. I believed them (stupid Pisces Moon, Venus in 12th). And it’s taking me therapy to realize that not everything is my fault. God, does that make me furious. My ex-bf was exactly like your friend’s Perfect Husband. My ex-husband had Scorpio rising so he was less of a hypocrite (though ultimately more possessive, controlling and abusive). Yeah, I’m a fuckin’ idiot when it comes to men. I’m going to remarket the chastity belt, except in my case I’ll call it the sanity belt.

  10. Egad. I’m a Scorp with a Virgo ascendant. Well, as far as the secret stuff, I’d say that it’s not so much deceptive as various levels of experience with different people. Sometimes it’s almost crazy how diverse the people in my life can be and how different I am with each one. But it’s all me, it’s not a lie or a put on. I subscribe to the “life is a feast” idea and I love taking a little bit of this and a bit of that. But I am very aware that different people will accept only the parts of me they’re comfortable with. The wild ones don’t like the domestic goddess with exasperatingly perfect place settings and the other homeroom mothers can’t handle the Vespa riding mamma in fishnets. *winks*
    How does this work in real life? I rarely have one big party with everyone. I have lots of dinner parties with small, select groups.
    So what? They can all meet up at my funeral and stare at each other. Now THAT’S a party I’d hate to miss!!!!!

  11. It’s not the lie or the deception that pisses me off, dude. It’s not even about acceptance. It’s the fact that ime Virgo men try to look so perfect and foist their foibles unto others. THAT’S what’s galling! And it’s making other people feel less than perfect or blame them for not being as saintly.

  12. All this hate… People in general do bad things, I’ve found. It’s less a matter of avoiding certain signs than of learning discernment.

    I’m a virgo, albiet, a 7th house virgo and all aspected by Neptune, among other things. I can’t explain what is secret about me, just that people seldom get to know me all the way. Partway is a general rule. Is it a double life? or a deeper layer?

    I don’t want to be deceptive. But not everyone needs to know everything about me, or can be trusted to have recitence/tact. or would be accepting. Part of the Virgo perfection is keeping stuff within a manageable range, I think, and the things I tend to hide are usually just… thoughts, my writing, and the warts on my right big toe. The first two I don’t want to be spoiled, the third, man, who wants to know about that? Certain things, are just not fit for conversation.

  13. I agree with Ruth. Seems like people are venting! Heehe. I can’t say I blame them (on the one hand). On the other hand, If you’ve had a few people ‘spoil you’ against Virgos–well, it’s hard not to let that taint your understanding of the sign. I always remind myself that ‘people are people’–everyone has an Achille’s Heel, and everyone has life lessons.

    Maybe interacting with a few Virgos who didn’t use their energies wisely (there’s always a good and a bad use for the energies of every sign/etc) actually taught you (by you I mean those who have had issues with Virgos) a valuable lesson about yourself. I’m learning more and more that framing a so-called negative situation is a priceless gift to oneself. You miss the opportunities to learn more about yourself. You have to see the worth in every situation. You can say ‘this sucks’ or you can say ‘from now on I recognize that what I want is total honesty in my relationships’.

    Your Uncle,
    H

  14. although i’m a cancer, have virgo rising and moon
    ppl think i’m innocent from far, but i’m far from innocent
    I experiment(ed) a lot, and still am
    Some know, others not…
    Best example
    When i was 14, i wrote the 21 guidelines to live by for myself
    Only one remains

  15. @PD, message 11
    I can recognize myself in your words
    ‘Sometimes it’s almost crazy how diverse the people in my life can be and how different I am with each one. But it’s all me, it’s not a lie or a put on.’

    @Ruth, message 13
    ‘But not everyone needs to know everything about me, or can be trusted to have recitence/tact. or would be accepting.’
    Amen to that…
    I’m very open and willing to tell a lot about private stuff to good friends, but if they ask me themselves stuff, i withdraw

  16. I had a Virgo friend who would fill my ear with complete details of her secret life. I have to say, after a while I had a hard time listening to her, and began to wonder why she felt the need to tell her explicit stories. Anyone have any ideas why or similiar experiences? I could use some insight on this.

  17. My ex was a virgo8/28 he had a good life acted to outsiders as perfect man while secretly cheating at work.I had to run him off divorced since.I have a virgo friend i love acts goody but will talk about you behind your back in a minute flat.I wont trust a virgo!

  18. Venus(love) conjunct Pluto(sex) in 7H(relationships) in Virgo, plus other important Virgo influences.

    I have, and have always had, many secret lives at any given point in time (and always will). But I’m the Sophia Loren kind. Those who need to know, know — I don’t cheat or lie. Others, none of your business.

    I’m still not entirely sold on this being a Virgo thing though… I have equal or more Scorpio, and Scorpio is all about secrets, no? So, is it my Scorpio or my Virgo showing?

    Elsa, do you have an opinion on the Scorpio-type secretiveness versus the Virgo-type?

    Actually, nmaybe you have already answered that, when you said:

    “Virgo likes to see themselves as innocent maiden do-gooders.”

    Scorpio doesn’t do that.

    And then we come back full circle to Gemini lies. Some secrets are ‘lies by omission’, something Gemini is also known for.

    Many flavors (of ‘secrets’)… same result. Deception. Betrayal. Misleading. etc. (unless you take the high road and tell those who are entitled to know)

  19. Geez! Every sign can be expressed negatively. I think many people take more offense to certain signs than others because of projection and or the need for learning lessons. I like to think there is not a sign I do not like more than others but I cannot say
    for sure because I do not have much experience with some signs, especially Aries.

  20. Yes, you’re right, Belle. Absolutely. But it’s also true that one can’t get along with everyone. Scorpios and Virgos trigger my Moon opposition Pluto in Virgo and you know how it is with oppositions. Balancing act.

  21. @ message 19
    I think this is true
    I like to project an image of innocence to the outer world, while this is not the case of the real me…
    What you see ain’t what you are getting, kind of thing
    I’m loyal, but only to those who deserve to be treated loyally

  22. Pixiedust – I totally relate. Piles of friends in separate “groups” or categories. The corporate types, the hippie types, the intellectual types, the homemaker types, the… ok the list goes on. I don’t throw parties where they all get together but boy! what a fun idea!! I think I might just have to get them all together and watch. [is that virgo of me?] ;)

  23. I have always maintained a secret life. I thrive on it. Having a form of duality allows me to express all of my “sides”. But, as I have matured ove rthe yeasr i have learned to tone down my urges and adventurousness. It’s like havign a perfectly clean house with one messy room.

  24. I don’t know if anyone is still posting to this, but I read it and had to remark. I’m a Capricorn who is entertaining thoughts of getting involved with a Virgo married man who is a very good friend of mine. We went on a trip to Peru with a group of people and really connected. Ever since he has been trying to take our relationship to another level. After reading the above article I couldn’t help but wonder if my Virgo man has a habit of cheating. I wonder now if he will always be the cheating type.

    He’s going through a divorce and if I believe his bs and agree to see him after he as his affairs together, will he cheat on me?

  25. I am a virgo with cancer ascendant and I believe that I feel differently about secrets of virgos. I believe everyone have a private part of themselves that they don’t always want everyone to know becuase you can’t trust everyone. I do believe that Virgos have good intentions, but they make errors just like the rest of world. I have never been able to trust someone completely with all my personal thoughts, or business venture. I believe that as a Virgo I would like to find one true friend to tell all my private and secret details without judgement or rejection, but most people know that just isn’t the case. I’ll never give up completely on finding a friend I can tell all my thought and personal stuff to but, I’m older now and it still hasn’t happened.

  26. Hello. Im going to state my situation …hopfully someone will learn fro this (mainly ’cause i am unable to exxsplain these trends). I am a virgo female and have had dated 3 virgo males and i only saw the dark side and they inly saw my dark side.

    FOr tauruses they… they seem to bring out a dark side and are more approachable about it beacuse they are usally open about both sides of their lives.

    As for scorpios… i think they are very secritive…but in a weird science way…no offense.

    Next…most virgos suffer from their thoughts and need help. I myself pull out my hair in search of perfection…i exscape this through fine art.

    Third VIRGOS should never MARRY EARLY …simply so that they may not missunderstood about their “dark” and “bright” side. :)

  27. I have really gotten fed up with Virgos. There is difference in a secret life & a personal life. If you’re librarian by day & a swinger @ night-it’s your personal business. It’s still the same life/person. I notice virgos have secret lives because they’ll act as if being a swinger is digusting while working at the library. You can’t have a secret life but not accept someone else’s for what it is. The feeling of servitude seems to be a “better-than-you” attitude in order to feel they can better someone (that’s equal to them as a human anyway). Virgos lack of trust is from their own deceit. When you live to cover up your humanity with an ideal of perfection, your everyday act eats away at your trust.
    Every zodiac has it’s purpose but, I can’t put my finger on the Virgo’s. It doesn’t make sense for a person to be so compulsive about details & fixing problems but would never admit to having one his/herself. How can one mimmick perfection which doesn’t exist? Your imperfections make you perfectly who you are. Virgos are supposed to be intelligent but they have no opinions just facts. Intelligence shines when you take facts (that anyone can get) then, interpret them into valid opinion. As a human, there should be some instinctive feeling to be expressed about situations. Without opinions or feelings, a robotic mechanism is just stating what you found out yourself. My experiences with virgos have left me believing there is no creativity or originality in them. Being a mutable sign may have something to do with it. Their nagging & criticism makes them so unbearable. The women seem to be empty-shallow-money wanting (not self achieving) dolls & the men to be boring, sexually-feminine, ass kissers of other men with $–who both lack passion for life. Finally so it’s known , I’m a Cancer w/Aquarius moon. I have perfect flaws since I know the value of them. I seem to attract virgos like nats.
    I read the one b4 mine & I obviously attract them because the ones I chose to let hover around me find out that I can’t think in-the-box if I tried. I’ve never understood normal which eliminates the possibility of trying to be “perfect.” However, my opportunities seem to come about because of that. As a cardinal sign, I create change if necessary & I guess that’s how they become a part of it by parasiting.
    Even the virgo women hover around & I notice clothing/hairstyles that I’ve done pop up on them consistantly. I think a lack of stress is noticed by them because I don’t take the time to live seperate lives. I’m unlimited all day–even tho an aloof Can-Aqua girl is everywhere, yet strong. I eventually get away from the tally-taker opportunists.

  28. Oh shut up “Accepting Imperfections” you probably got played by one so you yap on and on about how much creativity and originality they lack. I’m a virgo and every cancer I have know has been a guy and they’re awkward and they all have liked me. I turned all of them down and they just can’t seem to let me go. I had no real feelings for them because the relationship between a virgo and a cancer is the relationship will go well if virgo lets cancer near her warm heart. So either you’re still attached to a virgo or you’re just profoundly jealous. Stop hating.

  29. i dunno’. my virgo’s just the ascendant. and i had a hell of a time trying to get people to stop treating me like an innocent little girl. (it didn’t help that i always look younger than i am and the two times i had braces -wisdom teeth came in and the orthodontist gave me the second set for almost free because he felt bad that all his work had been wasted- made it worse….)
    really frustrating when you’re trying to be an adult woman and guys either come at you with the icky “oh she’s so na¯ve, let’s change that” (8th house creepy things come my way) or “she’s too pure, i can’t touch her” and i just want to figure out what i like and i have a libido, damnit, and, well, what i do is really none of anyone’s business except if i’m doing it with them, but i’d like to do it a little more, please? ; P

    guess i’m still dealing with it. guys i like have difficulty getting round the “purity” thing but it had nothing to do with chastity, really. the way i see it.

  30. also, i think it’s less that virgo is “pure” and more that they “purify.” an action rather than a state.
    really helpful with clearing out all the messy sticky stuff pisces picks up and finding the gems….

  31. I’m so glad this topic came up! Sure, Virgos/ Virgo rising people have secret lives. I don’t know about us all TRYING to present a perfect front. For some reason, people have always just assumed I’m a sweet, wholesome, church-going person; must be the Virgo rising. Strangers ask me to hold things for them while they go off to get or do something! Christians nod at me in conversations as if I naturally agree with whatever Christian point of view is being presented! (It goes on & on.)

    But though I’m a good person, I’m not what any of the aforementioned think at all!

    I’ve always figured it had to do with Virgo having Aries on their 8th house cusps (Virgo sun, solar; Virgo ascendant – in the natal chart, using the equal house system, anyway). Some of the wildest secret lives I’ve known of have belonged to Virgo/Virgo ascendant persons. Besides, I prefer to regard it as “private,” rather than “secret”! Virgos are discerning & don’t want to share every part of their lives with just anyone. (And then there are those who don’t accept the secret things about themselves and DO purposely hide some of what they do…)

  32. A virgo teen/woman will sleep with their next door neighbours man, the postman, milkman, their best mates man and their dad and have the cheek to say ‘ I cant stand that girl over there….she such a slag!!

    I have 3 virgo friends that i have known for over 25 years and I can honestly say I have only just seen the light with these women. They have fooled me for many years, i really believed those guys were telling tales on them. Their names were always involved in some sort of sex scandal in the neighbourhood.

    A guy i knew saw me with one of my virgo mates and he pulled me to one side and whispered ‘where do you know her from?. I was like ‘where do YOU know her from? He laughed and said ‘Everyone knows her’.

    I really told him off. I always stuck up for her when guys started saying rubbish but over the years little things have just come to light. Its a long story. Still friends with them now but I put them in thier place. Whenever they start putting down people who live overt seedy lives I say ‘hey, but thats kinda what you did in 19.., so thats makes you the same…how is that any different?’. They hate it, they deny it, or worse still justify it! I say to them i’m not putting you down but just showing you that nobody’s perfect.

    PS. does anyone know why they are so condescending to thier partners? My mate talks to her partner like a complete fool!!

  33. This is funny to me because being a virgo myself I find Elsa’s blog on “The secret lives of virgos” to be very true. LOL I kind of consider myself to be a basic text book example of what she’s talking about. For example, I am a neat freak, very organized, classy and pristine type of person that needs to have order in their lives. In fact, I even have a job in healthcare which is perfect for a virgo since we are the sign of service & love to help others in need. At work I am nonstop & continously organizing & looking for better ways to do things. I look very innocent & classy with a sweet disposition. People would never in the wildest dreams guess what I am into. Okay now, here’s my secret… lol, I am into the BDSM & D/s lifestyle. I am extremely submissive to a man that happens to be an Aries. Our relationship actually works very well since Aries tend to be dominant & want to do things there way. It’s all about him & I love it. The fact that I’m in love with him also helps a great to make him happy & to submit myself to him. He can tie me up and shackle me anytime. I am his friend, lover, muse, toy, but most importantly HIS.

    NOBODY but him knows this about me. Whenever anyone discusses how disgusting that lifestyle is, I agree & laugh about it with them. If anyone was to ever find this out about me, they would not believe it. It would literally take a lot of convincing for someone to believe that I’m into this lifestyle. I guess you could say I’m more like the Sophia Loren type.. I embrace my secret life. I do feel it’s really nobody’s business.

  34. Pristine Slave….from when your partner knows this about you that is one person too many. Unless you cut his tongue out of his head to ensure he never speaks then how can you be so sure that he has not told just ‘one’ person already?

    Just because no one has asked you dont mean they dont know. One of my virgo friends i heard something about her and I was like ‘no way…’ So just for fun i will mention it every now and then about other people and watch her flinch…then she’ll smile put the situation down and then move on to another subject.

    The reason why i say this is that it was her partners sister who told me…

    Theres only one person who you can trust with your business and thats God himself.

  35. That’s true… I don’t actually like being so addicted to someone so at the moment I’m trying to disengage myself from him some. Now that you mention it, I do wonder if he has. Although I don’t think so because I know a few things about him that I wouldn’t make public to anyone. We have that same mutual respect for each other. :) Thanks.

  36. Subject of bdsm and astrology: very interesting. I am often attracted to “Dominant” men (or at least used to be… maybe it’s changing). But I think my Venus in Leo always wins out… that it CAN’T be about them. It has to come back to ME! So as a slave, I always fail….

    My Virgo stuff wants to serve but my Leo wants to be the queen. Sigh…

  37. :). P/S:

    Don’t worry about your guy telling tales if your relationship is ever through. Who would believe him? You said yourself no one would believe you.

    If he ever said a word against your honor (and an Aries won’t do that, anyway, unless he’s *really* a baby) it would make him look bad, not you. I mean *he* is the aggressor in these games after all, not to mention the alleged gentleman.

    You can play in this world, and be safe and free. Believe it always.

  38. Thanks Eva :) That’s really good advice. I especially enjoyed your comment about an aries not saying a word against my honor. I do believe that as well regarding my bf. I do understand that in today’s world you can never be to careful. So I understand the other peoples comments regarding the possibility of him perhaps alreadying mentioning it. Meanwhile I do enjoy this world with him & feel very free. Back to the subject at hand regarding virgo’s leading secret lives, well… I think that every sign in the zodiac does that to a certain point. I don’t think it’s just Virgo’s but I will agree though that Virgo’s possibly do this to a more extreme degree.

  39. This is so funny! For years, my friends would always call me a nun, and act like there was not a single sexual bone in my body. As I got older and more comfortable with myself physically, Oh the places I would go! Now that “phase” of my life is over (wink wink) and of course I act as if certain things are too torrid, oh the horror. If only some people knew of things that I’ve done in my past, hah!, they would have a fit! I’m the perfect Madonna/Whore here and I love it.

    The only problem is now, I’m unsure of whether or not I should disclose certain secrets to the new guy, a traditional Capricorn, I don’t want to scare him away or think that I’m a freak!

  40. Well… what he doesn’t know won’t hurt him. I probably wouldn’t disclose anything to your new guy. My bf actually liked the fact that he was the first one to introduce me to D/s although it had been a fantasy of mine for quite sometime. I think it had to do more with the idea of being untouched to this type of roleplaying he felt he was able to “mold” me. I think just the whole idea of being your “first” at something gives a man some sort of a thrill. If he likes to get freaky in the sheets, I would probably let him think he’s the first one to break you into “such things” but of course you have to be a willing participant lol. Capricorns tend to not like to much diversity but it all depends what his ascendant and moon sign is too.

  41. Another mistake that Virgo’s tend to do, is to believe that everyone around them is stupid! Michael Jackson thought no one would believe what he may have done. What do you think?

    When one to many people say the similar stories regarding a so called innocent person…..

    Please virgo’s, dont be fooled, your secrets are only safe for a period of time. What happens in the dark always come to light, dont you know that about life?

    I actually like virgos but as soon as i meet a new one i smile to myself and think ‘well i wonder what nastiness she gets up to and probably thinks no one is aware of her nature”.

    I am not a virgo, and i have looked up this up to confirm my suspicions. Sorry virgos, you’ve been busted!!! Have fun….

  42. My sister is a virgo – 5 planets of virgo – and she definitely talks behind backs and has had a secret life – well not so secret – she’s always been open about it within the family. She’s going into more of a public servant role but is unafraid that her past will catch up with her. Although her secret side never involved cheating. She definitely looks the virgin. Love her to death. Love virgos too. Although not when they start strangulating my dream side. I think that their ability to organize etc. should be a support for dreams, not a wet blanket of criticism.

  43. This whole conversation is making me confused, to be honest most of you are like
    “Hah we finally got u, Virgo we know your bad.

    And then bringing up celebrities, some of them are simply victims to the press. others may have made a couple of mistakes.
    But let’s be honest if we sum up some other celebrities, with other signs we will se far worse.

    As for the whole secret live thing, I would like to contribute with a different opinion.

    just for the record I am a Libra with Capricorn rising. my only planet in Virgo is mercury …

    not going to share a life story but after a turbulent two years where I really felt like I had betrayed my self to the world as something I was noti had to change my ways. that my chaotic life was the talk of every person I knew. I decided to pick my peaces up and go abroad for a while, I went to live with a mother figure I know and she is a Virgo.

    Virgos are really one of the most intellectual people I have met, they know how to control every aspect of their lives. It’s the reason that they have their life so well put together.

    I think its very important to see how this Virgos life has been, the worse, the most cautious they will learn to be I think.

    U need to see the Virgos point of view, and I think its very logical .

    To some it seems as if they are liars, and secret full. and behind closed doors they are doing the worse things ever, which is not the case, she might be eating some cake. and does not wish to tell u because it’s simply none of ur business. IS IT YOUR BUSINESS????

    in a way its a defends mechanism, as Virgos they feel/see that ppl around them are constantly trying to harm them, (not that they want to destroy their lives, but they don’t have the Virgos best interest at heart) they always attack their integrity, talk about them, stick their nose up in their private business, Virgos have a hard time opening up, if they do open up to a person this person really has proven that they are smart and can keep a secret. and often these selective friends also have that same mind set as the Virgo.

    To a Virgo having to think about the fact that others see your flaws and base u on them is really unacceptable. it does destroy the quality of their lives, they like to be in control also on how the world sees them and how they have betrayed them selves to others.

    I know a lot of ppl out there don’t view the world that serious, and don’t have a problem telling every1 about not passing the exam or fighting with your boyfriend.

    But the Virgos see it as an attack on their integrity and they don’t want to be attacked like that, so its a defence mechanism…

    and lets be logical its not wrong … is it my business what u did yesterday ?NO|!

    things that don’t concern YOU are of limits.

    I have learned to be in total control of my life now and its really working for me,
    I keep things simple and clean.

    If I encounter any everyday problems I try to solve them alone,with as few ppl as possible knowing about them. I have 1 friend I might talk to and poor my heart out to,once a while and still my deepest secrets are between my self and I in this way u create a total control over your life,and to some ppl it’s a really good feeling and u get more confidence .

    Its better I think without poring everything out there for the world to see. Virgos are one of the most intellectual signs that I have ever met and I really think that ppl should learn from them and not be so against them..

    And it always depends on the situation,and what life your in.lets face it with the world today its better to keep things simple.

    It comes down to how much you really care
    Do you care about how it is the world sees you to the smallest detail?

    some ppl don’t care that much, but to others its almost a life necessity.

  44. Like Pixiedust and C., I compartmentalize – except on my birthday. It’s a little awkward sometimes, when people who reflect different sides of my personality come together, but mostly I get a kick out of it. It’s only Capricorn and Leo who don’t know what to make of it, anyway. LOL!
    Moi: Sun in Virgo/8th, Sagittarius rising.
    I’m very aware of my “secret lives” – and will gladly tell my Scorpio and Aquarius friends:) I mean, why not?

  45. I was just talking about this post last week to hubby, about private lives and fame. :) I’m pretty hazy on Virgo, though, so I got nothin’ to offer. *shrug*

  46. Last time I looked I had four planets in Virgo. I am not going to be gabbin about my business to every Tom, Dick and Harry. It would be nice if more people kept their secret lives secret, ya know. There is a reason they call it dirty laundry.

    Oh and my hair is always a mess and I loathe housework and cleaning. My toenail polish is almost all off and I ate McDonald’s today. So there. Shoot me.

  47. It’s not so much that I have secrets as I do not always volunteer information. In terms of what may be seen as an inability to get close with people, it is more that I am selective about who I will let in below the surface.

    I volunteer information here because there is a degree of anonymity. My wife knows that I blog here and could look at everything I read and write if she wanted. She also knows about my new found fascination with astrology. This is not new to her as I have always had an interest in the unusual, esoteric and metaphysical.

    In general I do not volunteer information about myself. If I am, it is because I trust someone enough to let them know a little more about who I am. And I am very happy when I can do this.

    Is it a secret, if I do not talk about Elsa’s Blog for instance? If someone I knew found out that I was participating in this, it likely would not bother me. But I do not generaly want to make it public that I do. If they did find out, I could talk about it in a way that made sense to them even if they thought I was weird. I do not mind people finding out that I am a very unique individual [weird]

    There are lot’s of things that I am interested in that do not hold other people’s interest. Is it a secret if I do not want to share these things with most people? I guess so.

    This comment did have a beginning and not enough middle, but it does have an end. Sorry for rambling.

  48. It occurs to me that people usually think I’m unmarried (divorced twice!) and have no kids (I have one). They treat me like I just got out of college. People think I’m younger and call me “Signorina” (Miss) instead of Signora (Ma’am) at work. I turn 42 next month.

    Virgo rising. Haha!

  49. Interesting discussion! To say that Virgo has a dark side certainly suggests a lot more depth than the stereotypical puritanical maiden. Virgo sun here married to a Virgo moon, I have noticed that an awful lot depends on which house the Virgoan planet falls in as to how this ‘dark side’ manifests. For example, my sun falls in my eighth house, intercepted. I have discovered that I can be quite a dark horse to others when eighth house matters are provoked. The chocolate box veneer certainly loses it’s gloss! My husband Virgo moon is in the twelfth and certainly remains a mystery to most!

  50. Spinner- me a babe and you a flirt? ::bats eyes demurely (Virgo rising) then shoots a look to curl your toes (Scorp Sun)::
    :)

    This gets me thinking. Knowing someone’s chart can feel like peeking into their panties.
    Elsa, maybe you can post this question and see what people think. Do you think you have an unfair advantage by knowing someone’s chart? I have no fear asking people’s birth data and check them out all the time. Every single guy I’ve dated has to give that info up from the start. Co-workers, family members, too. I get a good idea of what makes them tick. What does everybody think?

  51. Pixie Dust- I think I will need new shoes. You know the kind that they wear in a thousand and one nights, or Arabian nights? I have no problem with you looking at my chart as long as I can look at yours.

  52. I think you are spot on here, Elsa. I have Virgo rising, and I’ve been surrounded by people with strong Virgo influence all my life.

    Personally, I can say I have a natural ability to hide my innermost feelings and thoughts. The thing is, I used to hate this ability, because most people just didn’t seem to realize how deeply I felt about certain things. This lead me to overact in order to get the message through to people I cared about, often with disastrous consequences.

    I only began to see the ability to keep up appearances as a blessing a couple of years ago, during a rough break up and a Jupiter transit to my Ascendant. Since then I’ve realized the great potential of this influence in professional life and rotated towards people who have better understanding of my “secretive” side. For instance, my current significant other is a Rising Virgo too, and while it took a lot more time to reach the same level of intimacy with him than it did with a Rising Pisces ex, the process has been less painful.

  53. Another of the blogs that I read when you posted it but didn’t absorb until much later. Thankfully, that last comment popped up in the recent comments on the first page.

    I have Cancer sun in the 11th, but Virgo AC conj Pluto/Uranus in the first and aspected all over the place. Secret lives? Bet your ass.

    Like other’s here have said, service is my gig. I present to the world as … well, Apple Pie Mom. lol But let me tell you something: there is a helluva lot more going on beneath the surface than most people know.

    Highlight of re-reading this? Sophia Loren’s response in the main blog. Weirdly enough, it fits exactly with my life right now, and it’s the perfect answer to those who ask me the same thing they asked her. Much better come back than “I have daddy issues.” LMAO

  54. As a virgo this made me blush abit. Have merc-uranus conjunction in the 12th house and a fair few of my friends do not know anything about my interest in astrology, reincarnation and karma. The conjunction squares my saturn in 9th house – everyone knows I love to travel and learn about religions/philosophy etc but my own spiritual philosophy is only to be discussed with a chosen few. One person knows I read this blog and that is how its staying :)

  55. i agree with spinner and bella here. i’ve got 3 planets in virgo and i have a few private sides that i keep to myself – i mean, i choose who to share them with if anyone. when i consider sharing, i am looking for a person who’ll be receptive to what i’m going to say. it doesn’t mean they have to agree, it just means they have to be open-minded enough for me to think the conversation is going to be worth it/interesting for me. otherwise what’s the point? ok, shocking people is occassionally fun too ;)

    there are lots of ways to define ‘secret’. doing things that betray your partner’s trust – not cool. sharing parts of yourself selectively – totally fine.

  56. Virgo/ Scorpio Rising “Oh no! You know my secrets!”

    Heh, I admit that I (and maybe most virgos generally) act like we know more than other people sometimes. And I think most of us keep getting told that we’re so pure and nice (despite being obviously *not*) that maybe eventually we start believing it.

    It may be true that I’ve sometimes believed I was hiding things when people could see through me, but far too often I’ve felt like I had no skin and everything was visible. Nasty, horrible feeling!

  57. Coming back to this a year later, I can definitely say I have more of a handle on Virgo now. Having Virgo Saturn (conjunct Sun-Merc), there’s a lot of things that I keep hidden unless, like venusflytrap said, I know they have an open enough mind and won’t blab to everyone and their second cousins about it. I’ve always ascribed that to the major Pluto action in my chart, however.
    Plus, since the split, I can also see how a lot of this is/was reflected in my ex, who had a Virgo moon-Saturn, something I couldn’t interpret until far too loatefor it to make any difference whatsoever.

    By the by, is it Merc retch? I’m making far too many typos… unless it’s the tequila talkin’. *lol*

  58. I think Virgos are cursed. Their main problem is that they KNOW too much. Probably stuff that no one should ever know.
    -A virgo with an aries moon

  59. “Sorry virgos, you’ve been busted!!! Have fun….”

    Wow! I am a Virgo and you don’t need to bust me because I will always tell you the truth, if you ask me. But I will not volunteer with information on my life whether it is bright or dark side. I don’t like speaking about myself. I was born that way and maybe many other Virgos too. We all are only people and we all have some dark side. If you have something against a Virgo, then confront him in a friendly way. It might change your opinion.

    Let’s love each other!

  60. That is true, we do tend to know to much at times because of the questions we just have to ask to get or have the full details of things. That would be our nature.
    Virgo sun, Taurus moon, Virgo venus, Cancer rising.

  61. My dad has Virgo Moon and hates it when you point out his annoying little obssession about people’s little/big physical scars! Don’t get me wrong, I love him because he’s my father, but sometimes I have to speak out about how his quirks annoy me or else I’ll go crazy!

  62. I read about the first 30 entries…I am a Virgo with mars, mercury,pluto, and sun there.
    I married two Libras(Venus n libra)..I also gave birth to 2 daughters that are Libran..I do not take well to Libran men..too indecisive and looking for mothering to me.My mom was a libran and she deserted me young.I was raised by my father and wicked step mother..
    I was thinking about this post today…I have as an adult survived cancer, sexual abuse(as a child),abusive husband,jail,custody cases, blah ,blah.

    I have been told by Elsa and others I am not a typical Virgo..I am blatently Honest..been celibate for years while raising my 5 children by myself and had 3 vegetarian restaurants…

    I remeber at college my best friend was my buddy to go downtown with (she was my astrologial twin born 12 hours before me so we had the same rising sign and a VIRGO).We would go to the Bar and I would go to get drunk and she would go to get laid!She always did and I always passed out ( PISCES MOON)
    We were in our young twenties before Our SATURN return..
    WE are 2 virgos at 52 she has already had a face lift and still looking for the perfect man and i am old and wrinkled planting vegetables and opening a farmers market co-op…

    I have never been a liar and never cheated
    Got neptune conjunct ascendant so i bet you do not understand what i am trying to say>>>>>>>>

    Grandonna laughing!

  63. Elsa I have been a single mom for 24 years and been thru.. Been reading here for a while ..never posted but always read..What is wrong with your daughter? Knowing I am a mom and cannot imagine what u been thru..What is wrong with her?
    Do u mind sharing?

  64. This is a cool thread. As a virgo I can definitely say I have a secret life… probably some combination of not feeling understood and trying to be normal… Its not so much wanting to keep secrets as feeling parts of you are not public appropriate… sigh.

    This is not same as honesty. I am honest but can also read people and sometimes choose to be kind over honest.

  65. Hey I agree. People sometimes assume we are snobs just because we don’t like to share everything with everyone. And since we’re quite transparent, people guess that we actually are hiding something. But the fact is, like you said, Virgos just feel a part of them are inappropriate for the public and then we thought of as having secret lives.

    Just as it’s natural for some people to broadcast their life everywhere, it’s natural for Virgos to hide:) That’s not dishonesty.

  66. I have to agree with VirgoAries on that. I don’t think so much that it’s a secret secret for us, it’s more that it’s just our private life and we are shy for the most part. It may feel inappropiate for us whereas it may not feel inappropiate for a Leo so therefore they may be more public about their life.

  67. Hey thanks for agreeing fellow Virgo Book-N-Street Smart, it’s always nice to know there’s someone like you out there:)

    And haha yeah. Leos can go all out declaring their crushes and pretty much their life. Like you know, people tend to think of us Virgos are cold/prudish or whatever, but I get a feeling Virgos think about sex the most hahah. And I can’t even imagine me saying this to my friends, they’d be stunned considering my external image.

    And I’m pretty sure they’re not interested in knowing what I really think all the time when all I’m thinking is how HOT that Pisces guy in my class is and the wet dreams about him lol.

  68. secret life, oh yes. Even at a psychic reading, I wouldn’t reveal the actual details of what I did. I just told her, “you know about my secrets, right? The stuff I do for a hobby?” Then after she nodded yes, I asked her the question.

    See, I was that intent on not revealing those details, yet I still may want advice from time to time from others.

    If that’s Virgo-like, count me as August 25.

  69. As a virgo, I think we are the madonna/whores of the zodiac. Private? yes. Misunderstood? yes. I just think our outsides don’t match our insides. I know I look provocative on the outside, and yes, I’m provocative on the inside, just don’t hit on me as if you just got out of jail. Respect. Treat me like a lady, and I’ll be the bad girl you want.

  70. “Accepting Imperfections” (#28) – maybe you might want to re-think your name – that was one of the most mean spirited, un-accepting posts I’ve read here. yuk.

  71. OMG..! That’s so true about Virgos. Not sure about the virgo women though but My Virgo ex(Sept 10) was deceitful, full of talk time, weird , was obsessed with his ex and was unable to let go. He was still in contact with his ex while being in relationship with me. He was a pathological liar too. Always talked about stuffs which he didn’t really meant actually. So so manipulative .He was always gloomy and negative. I will never ever date a virgo guy again ..

    My virgo school guy friend (Sept 5) was the biggest womanizer I’ve ever seen in my entire life. He was always running behind the fire sign girls. Lol.

    My Virgo professor(Sept 14) wow what to tell about him..He was married with 2 children with a very good carrier, but guess what? He cheated on his wife and she left with the children. Now he is living alone but have tons of other women by his side.

    They all have had narcissist tendencies.

    All astrology sites claim that Virgos are loyal and honest… lol.

  72. I heard the news about Lance A and I remembered what I read here on the blog..I have several Virgo friends and relatives and i imagine more than one have a few “secrets” hidden away… It’s always shocking when you assume someone leads a “pristine” life and the veil drops…
    Of course I don’t mean to generalize.

  73. Whats with all the hate.Were private for one reason and this is why.we dont like drama.we are independant thinkers and doers .we dont want or need anyones dramatic or jealous opinions.sounds like jealousy towards us virgos.our business is our business.if u dont like it,dont talk to us

  74. dude all you Virgos are exactly the same you never say that you need to change anything about yourselves you only point the finger at others saying that others need to change. That is the problem that people have with Virgos and one of the many many reasons why most people who have a run in with a negative Virgo vow never to trust or get close to any of you again. I’ve never heard a Virgo admit a mistake and say that they will change it never never never ever.

  75. My apologies in advance for “digging” up a 2006 post — but I have to say, I do enjoy your articles, Elsa!

    I’m a Sagittarius Sun, Aries Moon, my mother is a Virgo Sun, Gemini Moon, and my significant other is a Virgo Sun, Scorpio Moon. Of all the signs in the zodiac, Virgos have always been the most mysterious to me. At the same time, they’ve proven themselves to be the most reliable, consistent and loyal people to have on your side. My chart is heavy with fire, so consistency has never been my strong suit. Virgos often teach me how to approach things a step at a time, with consistency and patience.

    On the other hand, many that I know do seem to be very aware of their “public” images vs. their private lives. They’re naturally detail oriented and critical of themselves and others. Growing up with a Virgo mother, I have been “trained” to also take on a certain prim and proper image when I’m out in connection with her. She will look me over with a detailed eye, and give me a list of her honest but brutal demands on what needs to be adjusted, ironed, changed (too much makeup, not enough makeup). Give me a list of reminders — “don’t smile with too much teeth,” “look more relaxed than you did the last time we were out..” Also prime me on what to say and what “secrets” to withhold — “if they ask, this is what you should say…and remember not to say…” To this day, in connection with my mother, I am known as the extremely prim and proper 30-something virgin, never once had a boyfriend and therefore, no messy emotional ties, always dressed like I stepped out of an Ann Taylor catalog. I appear aloof, but it’s really because I’m worried I’ll slip and say something that I’m not supposed to.

    The truth is, I could care less about what others think of me based on how I’m dressed and based on my past relationships, which HAVE left me with some deep emotional wounds. And I’m not a virgin, I enjoy physical intimacy with those whom I love — my chart is practically all fire + a sprinkling of Scorpio. And my publicly clean, prim and proper boyfriend wouldn’t have it any other way. :)

  76. I have a secret life, for sure. At first I was really ashamed of this. Now I’m unsure how to handle it, but it makes me more compassionate towards others, knowing that some things you just can’t control or foresee in life.

  77. Olivia,

    I just love your post. It’s been a while since anyone has posted anything on here. How your mom was with you reminds me of how I am with my teenage daughter and she could care less what anyone thinks about her (she’s Aries-Taurus cusp) lol. I really enjoyed reading it. I definitely enjoy portraying the whole pristine, librarian, prim & proper “oh my god I wouldn’t do that” image to co-workers, friends, and family HOWEVER I know how I really am inside. A lot of how I am on the inside has come to surface with time and I have come to not care what everyone thinks about me and could care less if I am not always organized and prim and proper (except at work of course because there I have to be professional otherwise I might get fired lol). I am happy with who I am now even if it is being a madonna/whore as someone else put it. It’s no different than being a “lady in the living room and freak in the bedroom”. As Virgo’s we get this and for some of us we are truly okay with it. In fact some of us thrive off of it. For Virgo’s variety is the spice of life (and if your a Virgo, you’ll know what I mean by this).

  78. Yes, I have a secret life. I try to maintain a veneer of holding it all together, even when this is not possible. Truth is, I have realized over the course of the last five years or so that if I do this, I self-destruct and let my shit go all to pieces. The compulsions I’ve experienced during this time period I have managed (barely) to keep in check, thanks to my Saturn, but I still feel emotionally and psychologically battered.

    Basically, for me, lately–the more I reach out to help someone else, you can bet it’s because I’m a wreck and am avoiding helping myself. Pisces/Neptune all the damn way.

  79. Hi MagicZara,

    I have come to realize that at times you have to “let it all go to shit” even if it is emotionally. I think that as imperfect humans sometimes we do ‘self-destruct’ even if you don’t want to do. Compulsions (I don’t know what yours are) can be difficult to manage and keep in check. I have found freedom in realizing and knowing that as an imperfect human, I won’t always be able to keep mine in check and I try to find a healthy outlet. Sometimes I fail at finding a healthy outlet but this brings me experience and I learn a better way of handling and reacting to my compulsions the next time they come around. Often times as Virgo’s we are so hard on ourselves for not holding up to that image we portray. I’ve learned to let it go and in the process no one even noticed that I was no longer trying to hold up that image (and being hard on myself) therefore I found relief in not being so harsh on myself for basically different on the inside that what I was portraying on the outside. Although of course the quintessential Virgo is a perfectionist, worker bee, that always wants to be of service. Some of those traits are staples. We also have to be careful at not becoming co-dependent which is being so involved with others needs (friend, boyfriend, kids, work, community) so much that you begin to ignore yours.

  80. There were some great comments here. I was a little shocked that someone said she hates Virgo more than Scorpio. I had to laugh at that. Anyway, I’m a Virgo woman with a pretty dark side. I don’t believe this is anyone else’s business. Some people only want to know things about you to ridicule or to simply be nosey. Oh well, if the Virgo private life is really that interesting and people desire to know it, may they be thoroughly entertained.

    It’s just in me to be this conservative “librarian” by day and this hair down, glasses off woman by night. I do like to appear as an innocent, virginal creature. Is that wrong? Only a few should see the other side. The few I choose. Now I’m in a situation where I can’t hide the naughty side. When I think of Madonna’s song, “Like A Virgin,” I definitely think of Virgo women. I am embracing my “sides” slowly but surely.
    Someone said that Virgos don’t admit when they’re wrong. Yes we do and we’re way harder on ourselves than we should be. If I’m hated as a Virgo, it’s funny to me. So much Virgo hate here. :)

  81. Thanks. I got the link in my email. It didn’t appear as a link here on my Android. Strange phone.
    I’m not a typical Virgo where I like to clean. I will clean but I hate it. Cooking, forget about it. It’s tedious. I’m independent enough to not care if a man shuns me for not liking to cook or clean. I’m a Virgo. Who needs a live-in man? Not me. :). Hell, I don’t even need a visit. Of course, I will do my best to never go out with a hair out of place and will fuss over my hair the whole time.
    I love Virgos. I need to learn to let down my hair and enjoy myself more. It’s always work, work, work.

  82. i have a Virgo girlfriend well had one always suspected her of cheating I myself am a pisces. I notice she is very much into her looks and is known as a “slut” she was easy for 2 of my friends she had sex with. when i point out possibly cheating traits she has or tiny lies she has it takes her a while to admit it and she hates when i bring them up in later arguments i havent physically caught her cheating i left before i could. Probably shoudl have waited to see if i could find out

  83. Hi,Virgos. I wanted to say hello and I hope that everyone is enjoying Fall. I hope to read more Virgo stories here. Even the ones where Virgos are hated interest me.

  84. IDK, I’m glad you left her. It’s better to leave than to keep bringing up past cheating you haven’t resolved or forgiven.

    Many Virgo women are very loyal to one man. I’m not giving her an excuse but she might not have been getting everything she needed from you. I don’t know how well you knew her but Virgo women have many hidden passions and desires. If you don’t take the time to pull them out, she will grow bored with you.

  85. Oh my. Just trying to figure out a Virgo guy I met online – all about passion and sex there, but when we’re in ‘real’ life hanging out with his friends they all tell me what a sweet, innocent guy he is. But I’m a Libra with Mercury in Virgo / Venus in Scorpio so my friends would probably say the same about me and Lord knows I’m far from sweet and innocent. In secret of course.

  86. Mom is a Virgo ASC and tries very hard to present a Leave It to Beaver image (in terms of morality). It mortifies her for anyone to look through her old photos (from her rebellious years) or to know anything about her wild past. She used to tell me and my sister almost nothing about her birth father and preferred we not even think about him much.
    Growing up, I never even heard bedroom noises–ever. Sometimes I wonder how my siblings were conceived! LOL!

    I have Venus and Mercury in Virgo and would die before anyone hears me get freaky! That’s PRIVATE!

  87. You guys, stop all this Virgo Hate. We’re perfect. And, Let’s be real. We all know the Pieces sign carries the most disgusting traits of all the zodiac.

  88. To all you virgos out there, I love you. You have always brightened up my life with your jokes, and made me feel loved with your concern and worries. But Mom, I wonder what secret lives you’ve had! Lol

  89. Great topic! I am simply in awe of people who are open about everything in their lives. I’ve never been that way, even as a small child. Part of it is knowing that if I don’t want to hear the crticism, then I will only reveal what I want. The other part is, well, I can’t explain but I don’t think people need to know everything I do or think.

    I am Aquarius but have Virgo rising, moon, Mars, Uranus, and Pluto (pretty strong Pluto). So, yes, I DO lead secret lives. Always have, always will.

  90. It’s not that I’m a liar I just don’t want to wash my dirty laundry in public who does. I love helping and advising people if you all New my secrets you might disregard. My advice and miss out.

  91. That’s why Virgos are the biggest hypocrites! My Scorp Moon can sniff out clues as what they might be doing behind the scenes. Oh the irony when I point out the do-gooder doctor with the picture-perfect image and family…that he’s been growing weed and selling it. Pffft

  92. When you said do gooder that explains it all. It’s like you know we get up to bad stuff in our personal time but because we are do gooders you are bitter. That to me sounds malicious. For what it’s worth anything I do bad in my personal life I don’t criticise people that do it openly. Like my mum an Aries says to me she’d rather not hear about the stuff I get up to and the fact that no one in my family knows keeps us as a family respectable.

  93. Hypocrite is such a strong word for someone that just doesn’t like having their dirt in the open. Other signs are worse I dated a cancer who seemed normal until I opened his wardrobes to discover a mountain of empty vodka bottles. Or the Aries that’s lovely as pie at work and absolute evil at home.

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