Open Question: Astrology And Mental Illness

December 8th, 2007 @ 7:47 am by Elsa

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mental illnessDear Elsa,

In a natal chart, are there any particular alignments that indicate a disposition toward mental illness? Or is t more of an energy thing – all depends in how it manifests in that individual? Or both?

Curious

My personal opinion, depends on how it manifests. Others might give you a list of aspects but you’d have no trouble finding examples contrary so…

Anyone else?.

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17 Responses to “Open Question: Astrology And Mental Illness”

1.
dreamsAreality
dreamsAreality

Am a very newbie amateur at astrology so I can’t comment on that, but I’d also mention environment and peers. I know my family has made me feel crazed at times. Ha! But, whose hasn’t? Right?

Right guys???

uhhmmm…Guys??

(((looks paranoidly around for my loo-loo Aunt Vernie)))

 
2.
Neith
Neith

This is so dependant on the individual chart and what’s happening in their environment, I’m not sure where to start. Neptune is often associated with addiction, Pluto with obsessive compulsive behaviors, Saturn with depression, Uranus ADD – and so on. So I go with Elsa on this one . . . completely situational.

 
3.
Twilight
Twilight

I’m just a novice, so this observation may be pure coincidence, but I’ve noticed on, I think 3 or 4, occasions that a chart with close several oppositions belonged to someone who suffered from
bi-polar disorder.

This seems like a fairly obvious connection, but it doesn’t mean that everyone with many oppositions in their charts will suffer – other factors would need to be in place – as Elsa points out – it’ll depend on individual situations.

I suppose the opposite may be true too – oppositions may not be an essential ingredient in the disorder.

It’d be an interesting study, if data were available.

 
4.
Elsa
Elsa

Thing is only 1% of the population is bipolar and multiple oppositions in a chart are far more common I think this is like finding homosexuality in a chart. People speculate but can’t id homosexuality in a chart reliably, not by a shot.

 
5.
wyrdling
wyrdling

it’s often a genetic predisposition triggered by environment.
the genetic predispositons could possibly be seen in a chart, but i’d expect anything you see would be a tiny fraction of the other possible expressions of a particular energy. i don’t think there’s any way one could look at a chart and be able to tell if someone’s experiencing mental illness. i’d imagine it’d run on similar lines to “mental uniqueness” and some of the most fascinating original people have those same expressions.

and sometimes it’s entirely environmental- anyone coming back from a war has a good chance of developing ptsd, but perhaps some people are more predisposed to developing it, i have no idea. but that sort of thing i think would be expressed through a transit or a progression, and everyone has transits….

but, in general, i don’t like delineating specifics from chart- all the chart show to me is energy patterns, and the way it tends to flow through the individual- not the infinite variety of ways it can manifest.

 
6.
SaDiablo
SaDiablo

I have the charts for two friends of mine who are both certified bipolar. One has a Grand Trine in Air involving Pluto, Saturn, and a Sun/Mercury/North Node conjunction. Also two oppositions: Saturn-Neptune and Mars-Uranus. The other also has two oppositions: Moon-Uranus and Sun-Neptune. The oppositions are in very different pairs of houses and signs.
So I’d have to go with no unless there’s more info on mulitple oppositions involving Uranus and Neptune.

Woo! I’m learning!

 
7.
aldo
aldo

I don’t agree fully with this. Everything is circumstantial but we do need to find a focal point that would explain why astrology works. As far as I’m concerned, having also experienced (and continuing to experience) mental illness, although not serious enough to require hospitalizations or things like that, the two things to look at immediately in the chart are the moon and mercury.
I have never seen a chart of a person suffering from some kind of enduring psychiatric problem where the moon was making many aspects, most of which positive. Most of the time the moon is either unaspected or aspected by only one or two planets. I have noticed time and again that people whose moon favorably aspects a big planet (i mean a slow moving planet) such as neptune, pluto or saturn they usually have a good grip on reality so less likely to get lost. If the moon makes, say, five or six contacts, it is less likely that the person will lose their “contact” with people, situations and life at large. Of course having a good contact between moon and a, let’s say, Venus doesn’t necessarily guarantee the native won’t develop some kind of neurosis. The contact of the moon to a personal planet is probably good to have but doesn’t provide that foundation that only a close-orb good aspect with a slow moving planet can ensure.
Same goes for Mercury. Because Mercury is how we think, an unaspected or heavily afflicted Mercury should raise a red flag in the chart. Maybe the disorder won’t manifest in a specifically psychiatric fashion but it will probably point to a weakness of the nervous system with all its possible implications (impairment, retardation, neurological diseases such as Alzheimer, Parkinsons and so on…). I have also noticed that a strong square Mercury-Saturn puts a gloomy energy around the native (inclining to depression), unless Mercury is well aspected by at least a couple of other planets. So, the bottom line is that, in my opinion, there are indications. One just has to know where to look. It’s a given that the chart is to be interpreted as a whole, always, in every case, and never extrapolating segments of it, but we still need to be alert to read the signs. Otherwise the detractors of astrology might have a point….

 
8.
aldo
aldo

I would also like to add a few words on the homosexuality issue raised by Elsa. It’s true that it’s very hard to tell. But even there there MAY (and underline may) be some signs that do not say if the native will act out his/her homosexuality but point to some kind of sexual confusion or indecisiveness or if he/she will possibly fantasize about contacts with the same sex.
Time and time again I have found in the charts of male homosexuals some type of inversion of energy, both affectional and sexual. Mars in Libra or in Seventh House (or both) or Venus in Aries for instance provide an example of sexual contradictions or paradoxes. These positions alone absolutely DO NOT make of you a homosexual but it is thinkable that they may predispose the native to consider at some point of his/her life other sexual options. Depending on how open and uninhibited and free the native is the homosexual experience might even occur (even if sometimes stays a single experience that the native doesn’t need to repeat in the future). However, in my experience looking at thousands of charts, I have found that if these positions coexist with affliction of the moon from a male planet such as Mars or Pluto or Saturn, we have just added another ingredient to the possibility of homosexuality. Also Venus, so typically female in its archetypical energy, when receiving a square from a male planet (but especially Saturn) adds an element of sexual short circuit that may lead to homosexuality.
Other examples of homosexuality (especially male) that I have found involve Mars in specific conditions. Mars retrograde is one of these conditions. Mars in Cancer or in IV house (or both) also mixes the femininity of the moon into the concept of the Martian sexual aggressiveness and again the native is receiving mixed messages as to what type of sexual conduct best expresses his/her natal energies.
Needless to say, none of these examples I just expressed are valid if only one of them is present in the chart. If two of these examples are present, we have a substantial clue. If all of these circumstances occur we definitely have a potential of homosexuality. Whether the homosexuality will be lived out or repressed in favor of a “normal” existence that remains to be seen and it will probably also come from the chart if the native has that type of courage (looking at Jupiter might help – a Jupiter in Virgo or in VI house might have a little problem with manifesting possible tendencies, jupiter in aries as well, but a piscean jupiter will certainly display less moral judgement in the matter). Another form of possible instinctual repression, in a chart that already may indicate homosexuality, can come from Saturn. Especially if it squares Mars or Pluto, but more Mars (because it’s more of a personal sexual energy planet) and especially if Mars is in watery signs. Of course, this is only my personal view on the issue. I would love to read other people’s comments to mine.

 
9.
PM
PM

I have a bi-sexual sis who has a Gemini Mars.

 
10.
A
A

@aldo – I have suffered from mental illness and my moon does not aspect any other planets, only my ascendant and midheaven. I also have Neptune in VI which apparantly means I am more susceptible to drugs and alcohol – I am a recovering alcoholic!

 
11.
Elsa
Elsa

Welcome, A. :)

 
12.
Aldo
Aldo

Hi A,

This is what I wrote about my opinion on the role of the moon in mental illness
“I have never seen a chart of a person suffering from some kind of enduring psychiatric problem where the moon was making many aspects, most of which positive. Most of the time the moon is either unaspected or aspected by only one or two planets”.

So, I take it that what you wrote confirms my theory.

(My regards to the landlord. Hello ELSA!)

 
13.
Elsa
Elsa

Hey, Aldo. Nice to see you here. Sorry your comment went to spam. Not personal, that thing has a mind of it’s own.

 
14.
A
A

@Elsa – Thank you :)

@Aldo – That’s right. I agree that, if astrology works, there should be clues in a person’s chart that they might have a propensity for mental illness among other things. I found your post really interesting and am hoping to find out a bit more about other indications in my chart although I know that too much self-analysis is probably not good for me! Anyway, thanks for the info!

 
15.
oliander
oliander

Isn’t it the same with health science?

“something” “runs in the family” but you never know whether it will show or not. right?

so this might be the same for astrology.

I wish i could just research it………

 
16.
Elsa
Elsa

Welcome, oliander. :)

 
17.
oliander
oliander

Thanks! that’s very kind :)
You always have these very everyday-examples, i love it.

I somehow have these big questions no one has the answer to (yet) or i have found no one who has the answers to my questions yet ;)

Im not bipolar, just high mental energy (sun conj moon gemini, sun conj mars (cancer), mars conj mercury (cancer) TRINE pluto.
opposite dreamy neptune.
But both pluto and saturn in 3rd house.

 


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