Open Question: What Do You Think Of This Composite Chart?

July 6th, 2007 @ 12:50 pm by Elsa

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busted compositeReader and recent commenter, Busted asks:

Do you guys think the following composite is just a disaster, or lotsa good hard-aspect Saturn glue?

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16 Responses to “Open Question: What Do You Think Of This Composite Chart?”

1.
seekingzen
seekingzen

I have to vote glue-like disaster. That looks a hell of a lot like the chart I have with my son’s father. Obviously we’re stuck together for a looooong time because we have a child, and holy crap is it a headache.

 
2.
joana
joana

I don’t know whether hard Saturn aspects function like glue or if they simply prevent people from making any connection at all.
Even if they are glue-y, it’ll certainly be a difficult permanence.
We all need difficult aspects in our relationships to make them worthwhile – what’s the use of a relationship that is stagnant and pink? But what would bother me more about that chart would be the Neptune in the 7th house (even though Saturn could be hard too) – I had that Neptune with a guy and it was simply…impossible.
And I had Pluto in the 5th too (coincidence!). It was pretty intense, in good and bad moments.

 
3.
Neith
Neith

Guess I’m wondering what this relationship is about . . . the Sun seems to sit outside the main flow of aspects. Is this one mainly about feeling & experiencing? It’s like the head is cut off & the heart is running around wild. (Moon as part of a Grand Cross) The Mars/Jupiter conjunction sq to Venus – total combustion. Throw in that Saturn in Scorpio & someone could be feeling very guilty.

I’d venture to say that the two individuals involved are having a hard time understanding what the hell’s going on and what they are REALLY doing together. Either that or the Mercury on the MC has them talking & talking and still wondering . . .

 
4.
Doreen Gordon
Doreen Gordon

There is definitely glue, a fixed grand cross, fixed signs on angles, Saturn in the grand cross. That’s a lot of glue. But to what end? Mars square Venus–there may be physical attraction but is there compatibility? Mars conjunct Jupiter square the Moon, a lot of irritation, bickering, arguing, Moon rules the 3rd and it’s in the 4th, emotional arguments, huge blow-ups. And ego, Mars & Jupiter in the 1st, Moon in Leo. Will they ever compromise, make a concession? Forgive? Potential for deception, Neptune squares the Moon–it’s wide and out-of-sign, but the Saturn-Neptune conjunction pulls it in, so deception, and maybe rose-colored glasses and sweeping it all under the rug when it “blows over.” Pluto is well-aspected, in the 5th, trine Mercury, the ruler of the 5th, transformation of the ego? There’s so much energy and it’s in cardinal houses. If they work on something together, transcend their own egos, and work on a creative project that benefits other people, they could accomplish a lot. But if they just focus on each other, they’ll eat each other alive.

 
5.
Busted
Busted

HEy folks,

Thanks for teh comments! Joana, why do you think Neptune would be even worse?

 
6.
Busted
Busted

I mean, the whole Staurn question is one that I STILL can’t get down.

Every time it’s the same. Either something unshakeable and eternal or somethign that’ll never happen at all…

 
7.
Matthew Currie
Matthew Currie

I find composites useful, but ALWAYS treat them as subordinate to the synastry. Without looking at that, I’d call this a relationship you’re going to have a hard time getting rid of.

Whether or not you WANT to is another story…

 
8.
C.
C.

Two other charts come to mind when I see this. One was a chart with three t-squares on two grand trines. Hardly any planets were free of those interactions. The relationship lasted 4 years with two times the man cheated on the woman.

The other chart that comes to mind is a grand cross composite chart with a few t-squares floating out there. That couple has had an 8+ year relationship. The woman has been married to two other men during that time.

So there is a potential for being tied together.. but oh how.

I am coming to the conclusion that harsh saturn aspects are actually softened by age. What might have been a harsh saturn/mars interaction that would have ended the relationship for someone in their twenties actually adds some spice to a relationship for someone in their fifties.

 
9.
Viv
Viv

I have no idea.
I had a huge crush on someone for years, our composite had saturn opposite venus, square mars and other square I don’t remember now. But it was the strongest connection I’ve felt. But the fact is we were never together as a couple.
I think saturn may be glue-y once you learn to deal with the hard aspects. People are free to learn to deal with the energies and overcome them.
I love composite charts, they are extremely acurate.

 
10.
Melody
Melody

I usually don’t comment on composite charts without seeing the individual charts and knowing at least a little about the situation and/or couple…just not enough information for me to reply intelligently.

But I can’t help saying that I don’t think you can say anything is either disaster or hard-aspect glue. It’s energy that can be worked with conscious choice at any point along the continuum. This composite chart obviously is charged, but that could make it an incredible experience, or a disaster….I think that’s where free will free choice comes in.

You could say that staying very conscious in this relationship would probably be important. If it goes bad, it’s likely to go worse than the average might, but the potential is also greater.

If I had to make a past life guess, it would be that there was some form of traumatic separation because of persecution, which will automatically create the underlying need for both extreme security and worry that the relationship could end again, which would cause a need to go very deep and be very idealistic, but also make it hard to dive into the emotional needs for love on a deep level, flip flopping between that and “staying cool”. There’s obviously a lot of passion and a draw towards relationship again, to bring back into form what was lost so abruptly the first last time around.

With no real information, this could be way off track, but I though I would throw it out there….

 
11.
tinkerer
tinkerer

Any relationship is what the parties choose to make of it.

Neptune in 7th, but conjunct Saturn. So, do you live inside your individual illustions of what togetherness is and break your hearts by rubbing hard against the other’s reality? Or do you work to build a foundation that satisfies both parties desire to romanticize the union?

Mars conjunct Jupiter in 1st, do you both try to out-do each other? Or compete against each other? Or do you use your collective energies to be greater as a team than as individuals?

The chart is rife with grand cross connections…so will this spell unending tensions that impede unity? Or will the couple have the maturity to appreciate the delicate balance they can attain together? (I know a fellow who has a grand cross in cardinal chart, and you’d think he’d be a tense wreck but actually he has always steered himself toward balance, and is thus living a comfortable well-rounded life and quite aware of how to keep it that way. :P )

What I find very interesting is the Nodal axis, and how the SN is conjunct Venus–there is a debt, here (or a sense of debt?), although not necessarily to each other–while the Moon is conjunct the NN. Can they convert the debt into mutual nurturing? South in 10th in Aquarius, and north in Leo in 4th… does this couple pour energy into public social endeavors? And are they giving as much time and energy to their own selves and personal lives?

*shrug* I bet the sex is g-o-o-d, though!

 
12.
june
june

well… it can’t be a disaster. pluto and uranus are both well aspected. settle for a [lifelong] war?

 
13.
Lis
Lis

While I’m not one to run away from a challenge, this…Venus, Mars, the Moon, Neptune, Saturn, all caught up in a grand cross in angular houses…while it looks like there’s plenty of passion, there’s also too much pressure (Saturn) to keep this fantasy a reality. Not only that, Saturn and Neptune are both in the 7th house. I think people feel that pull to make a go of things much more when there are planets in a composite 7th house (and to a lesser degree, the 5th and 8th houses).

The composite chart for me and the “great love of my life” had a packed 7th house. The Sun, Mercury, Venus, Uranus, and Pluto were all conjunct in the 7th. It was the most intense and loving relationship I ever had–but bad timing (a 1st house Saturn square a 4th house Mars) pulled us apart. I’ll never forget that experience.

 
14.
joana
joana

Busted: I’m only speaking from that experience I had, which made me very cautious about Neptune – because of the delusion and the disappointment. But I guess, in this case, since the hard aspect are with Venus and Jupiter it shouldn’t be so bad. Plus the conjunction with Saturn will probably keep the relationship more grounded and realistic.
I’m sorry, I may have over-reacted about that Neptune – it’s almost a conditioned reflex “oh no! Neptune in the 7th!” lol

How is the Synastry? I find that many times it is very different from the Composite, almost opposite.

 
15.
Z
Z

Very difficult..if there were more trines it would help i think. I have a grand cross (inv saturn) and a grand trine(also forming 2 kites) in composite with my partner and the cross is a cross to bear at times. But the grand trine inc moon really helps to soften the blows otherwise i think we might have killed each other. The moon i think is very important, esp in synastry but also in composite, for harmonious domestics and emotional understanding and it’s very challenged here. If you both have quite challenged charts anyway then it will probably be easier to comprehend and transcend the energies but if your charts are ‘easy’ then this may be all too much. Good luck!

 
16.
saturns child/plutos lover
saturns child/plutos lover

hi,
having a saturn rel can b really frustating….cuz u cant be wt each other n u cant stay away from each other.u feel trapped.
it can b 4 d good or bad, but u really cant escape it, unless u move town.
for u i wud say…see how it goes.n keep in mind dat dis is a strong n fated connection. yes it can b difficult sometimes. but i look at it as a Gift, a rel dat god almighty wants.n how many rels can claim dat??

i had a composite wt venus sq saturn n saturn in 1st house n we had moon/venus sq saturn in our synastry…….n it was crazy!! i mean we talked for the first time….n d the next thing we know, we`re bound.we moved fast.we didnt say nething but it was ther….this air of responsibilty.i swear it felt like a marriage.wen it ended it felt like a divorce n now wen i see him, i feel like hes my ex husband!!we hav a common fren n hes like our child together!! like i said its crazy! now dat i know wat mrg n divorce feels like, i dont feel d need to enter into a new rel…imagine getting so much experience out of 1 short term rel!!
dats y i say its a Gift, u can feel like ur married wtout being married.

 


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