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Open Question: People With Outer Planets Prominent In The Natal Chart
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Hi Elsa,
I have Pluto conjunct my sun and square my moon natally. Does that mean that people born a year or two either side of me will carry that Pluto energy that messes with my sun and moon? I always felt somewhat uneasy around these people. Its like I am constantly challenged by them.
Plutonian
This is a great question. If you’re born with an outer planet or important conjunction prominent in your chart (particularly on the ascendant or midheaven) you are definitely going to be a beacon for your generation. I am in this situation, sort of the alien among my age peers.
In your case with Pluto, the Sun and Moon involved it follows you would be stimulated when surrounded by people your age (say in a classroom when you were young) however it is only energy so the negative result is optional.
By that I mean, energy is neutral until you direct it and if the energy has you feeling challenged, I would say it’s time to manipulate that energy and transform it into something more useful that doesn’t damage you (or others). For example, your intense feelings could fuel your creativity or just about anything else you could think of.
Anyone else have experience with this?
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She’s Getting Divorced and It’s Completely Unexpected: Leo Sun, Pisces Moon
Dear Elsa,
After 20 years together, I am in the early process of a surprise divorce. I have 3 young children and want to try and work out any problems. My husband is unwilling and can’t get out of this marriage fast enough. He claims we have always been incompatible and he has been very unhappy a long time. He has been very hostile lately. He is not having an affair, he just wants to be alone without responsibility.
Because of financial reasons, we are trying to handle our own divorce. We are trying to be friendly for the kids sake, but I can hardly handle his hostility and the hatred he has going right now. He refuses to discuss any divorce issues and I am afraid he is going to continue to get more and more selfish and leave us with nothing.
I can’t seem to get over him even though he is treating me like crap. He has agreed to talk to me about this relationship in about 6 months. Meanwhile he has promised to take care of us… but how can I trust him when he seems to be out for his own interests only? I also can’t get over him, I seem to want to protect him, he and I were each other’s first loves. I even want him back and that will never happen.
Being Abandoned
Dear Abandoned,
I feel very sorry for you and wish I could make this all go away. However, the astrology is very clear. Your husband wants out. He is having a Uranus transit (so are you) and damn the torpedoes, he’s going to do what he’s going to do. However, I do think some of your fears are unfounded and I think I can see a way to ease your pain by offering you a detached perspective.
First regarding your security fears for you and your children: although it is perfectly understandable to have them, he is telling you that this is not what he is trying to do. And I don’t think your husband is a liar. So I think you should listen very carefully to what he is telling you, because there’s gobs of information there in the midst of this chaos.
See, you’re scared to death and it’s no wonder. You’ve been hit by a train. But listen to what he’s telling you. He is telling you he is having an extreme urge for freedom. And astrology supports this, believe me. He is having a ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater” sort of time, so just imagine being him. Imagine all the sudden being hit with an incredible sense of being restricted and finding it impossible to endure. Because this is where he is at. “I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!” And he doesn’t even know what “IT” is. And further, I would bet that on some level he is as surprised as you are.
But he is also telling you he cares about his children. And you! He is also telling you he is willing (wants) to talk to your about your relationship in six months… and I believe him. I also think this is very telling.
See, I play cards. And sometimes… well, most times people give a “tell”. They tip their hand with a look or some kind of gesture and your husband has done this with you. I think he wants to go. He needs to go. But personally, I think odds are he will be back. But not if you don’t let him go! So this is my advice:
Open the door. Open it as wide as you can. Give him total freedom. You can do this. You love him, it’s obvious. And when you love someone, there is really nothing to do but give them whatever they want anyway.
And you have a Pisces Moon. So it’s not like you don’t understand this kind of thing. Faith, that is. You have a deep knowing that things work out best, which probably explains why you can’t get over him.
You can’t get over him because he’s not going anywhere. Where’s the other woman, huh? Where is the woman he prefers to you? There is no other woman! Your husband is basically going insane but it’s not permanent. And he is giving you clues all over the place if you will only pick up on them. So try this:
Transcend your fear and act in a way that is totally loving. Give him whatever he asks for. Give him all the space he needs.
Then ask the universe to give you the best outcome for all involved and I bet you get exactly that.
Much love and good luck.
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Accident Prone to the Extreme: Mars Conjunct Mercury in Pisces Opposite Pluto Conjunct Uranus in Virgo
Hi Elsa!
If I were a cat, my nine lives would be long gone by now! I was wondering if there’s any astrological insight for why I have been in so many accidents that could have been fatal, but so far (knock on wood) haven’t been.
In reaction to these accidents, I’ve become careful about where I go or what I do. I’ve seen a pattern. They usually come out of the blue, through factors in the outside world that I can’t control. By limiting my exposure to the world, I avoid accidents. While this helps me feel safe, it also creates an isolation I get pretty tired of.
A recent example of what I’m talking about is I was driving my car (fairly new, well-maintained) late at night on a freeway, when the alternator suddenly went dead with no warning. There I was, with a dead car on a dark freeway while semi trucks flew by me at 80 MPH. I don’t know how my car didn’t get hit, but I’m grateful it didn’t.
Thank you for reading my note. Any insight you might provide would be a blessing.
A Cat
Dear Cat,
Good God! Hell yes, this shows up in your chart. Anything that happens over and over and over is of course going to be seen in a person’s chart, big time, and you are no exception. And the astrology here is stunning.
You have Mars (violence) tightly conjunct Mercury (Cars) in tight opposition to Uranus (sudden, unexpected) and Pluto (death!)
Further, you have a Capricorn Moon which shows the fear you describe. And if not for that Capricorn and your Cancer rising which wants to be SECURE, you would probably have much less trouble with this aspect. You’d just be a race car driver, see? And you’d be freakishly good at it too. But the way your chart is set up, this is not an option and so you hide. Cancer, right. You hole up.
But this won’t work either. You see what happens. As soon as you leave the house, all hell… I mean the rest of your chart breaks loose. So you need to own this energy.
See, it’s only energy. It’s your energy, but it doesn’t have to manifest in this way and I will use myself as an example.
I have Mars Mercury conjunct myself and have been a thrill seeker in my day to the extreme. And this was one way to express this hot, hot, hot aspect in my chart. A 10 year old who steals a truck? Come on.
But these days, I write (Mercury). Like a man (Mars). For example, I swear when I write and on occasion people tell me I shouldn’t - but I say, fuck you to that! Because to not swear would leave my energy unexpressed and make me prone to other things, like speeding! And car accidents! And a hair trigger temper. No thank you. Been there, done that.
I also have copious amounts of sex (Mars) and I exercise to the extreme. Like getting on a cross trainer on level 20 like some kind freak. And people stare, but hey! I used to crash vehicles once a week or so. Seriously! So you get the idea. I do what I have to do. I have other outlets now. Instead of reckless behavior, I write about my reckless behavior! And this is what you need to do.
You need to own your intense energy and find ways - lots and lots of ways - to express it. You’re like a gun cocked and loaded and you need to discharge on a regular basis. And I’m not talking once a week. You need to do something aggressive, something intense at least daily and more if you can. Like me. I have sex and then I work out and if at all possible I have sex again!! Ha ha ha! Sorry, but this is what it’s like.
And if I do these kinds of things, then I can go out there and drive in the right lane. I can appear very average and not get killed. So this is what I suggest:
Leave the house, not just frequently but very frequently. Mars (action) Mercury (short trips)! Consider this maintenance. You need to drive around more than you need to eat, and that’s a fact.
On the Pluto Uranus end, you might look for meetings (Uranus rules groups) of other intense (Pluto) or powerful individuals (Uranus). Do this and I bet you drive there and back with no problems at all!
And don’t forget to communicate! That’s a Mercury function. Write, email, and call as many people as you can. You can’t possibly call enough people.
And I promise you if you take these steps to begin to use your energy, the universe will dramatically slow if not stop the accidents completely.
Good luck.
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Mind Wanders and She Can’t Enjoy Sex: Stellium In Virgo - Venus Square Neptune
Dear Elsa,
I really don’t know if it’s a 8th house Saturn thing or if I have too much Virgo in my chart, but lately I just can’t enjoy sex. I’m happily married with a Saggie. I haven’t had a sexual relationship with anyone else but my husband.
As I’m a slow learner and never had much experience in the sex field, during the past 3-4 months I “discovered” masturbation and how to reach orgasm while having sex (all these after 8 years of active sex life… wow am I slow or what?
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The problem is that I cannot relax and focus on sex. And now the problem is worse, even though I think of sex all the time, I cannot just empty my mind and relax. I think of many irrelevant things: I wonder if my smell is fine, I’m thinking that it takes time for me to come and my partner will probably get tired waiting for me, that I have to hurry up. There are also irrelevant pictures (pleasant or not) cross my mind at that time.
I really don’t know what to do and feel a bit sad about it. Sometimes I’m thinking that the only way to relax and think of nothing is to take drugs or get drunk (don’t worry I would never do that).
Elsa I know it’s not an 100% astrological question… but I decided to write you because I was hoping that you might have an answer (or suggestion) from an astrological point of view.
Thanks,
Suffering Wife
Dear Wife,
Yes, I can look at this from an astrological perspective and I think I can help you. First, I use Equal Houses which leaves Saturn (impediment, delay) solidly in your 9th house rather than the 8th (sex) so I’m going to go with that.
And if you read your post, your problems do not really sound “Saturnian”. You are not afraid to have sex, for example. And you are not deprived of sex. You are simply worried, which is a Virgo trait. You are also sort of Virgo “puritan”… “I would never do that…” And this is just as well because it leaves your problem very focused and consequently pretty easy to solve.
Now with 4 planets in Virgo (including Venus and Mars aka love and sex) you are always going to be thinking. You’re a thinker! So you’ve got two choices. You can either put yourself through sort of grueling training in an attempt to clear your mind and learn to meditate… or you take the much easier path and simply change what it is that you thinking about.
I recommend the latter. I recommend rather than trying to focus on not thinking, instead throw the door wide open and fantasize in any and all directions you fancy. And your chart supports this, by the way.
You Neptune (fantasy) square your Venus in Virgo and if you will learn to incorporate this energy (it’s slippery!) your sex life will morph beyond your wildest dream. So this is my advice. Use your imagination during sex. Imagine you are not a puritan, for starters!!
And one more thing that supports my thinking. I’m offering this to your Virgo, which always wants as much evidence as possible…
Uranus is in Pisces right now, activating the Venus Neptune square in your chart. Uranus brings experimentation and ultimately freedom, so you can see you’re right on track. It’s time to liberate your innate ability to experience bliss via sex and you can see this is exactly what you’re doing.
Start with the masturbation, then incorporate your God given ability to fantasize and finally invite your husband in on this whole deal. Do this and you will have a completely new life.
Have fun and good luck.
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Coping With The Current Saturn Neptune Opposition: Talking To Scott About Prayer and Intuition
Blogs regarding the Saturn Neptune opposition in the sky start here: It’s a Hall Of Mirrors and We’re All In It
And I was talking to Scott, my on and off boyfriend for 17 years…and now friend for 30.
“I always figured I’d end up alone,” he said.
“Really? I figured I’d find someone eventually.”
“Self-fulfilling prophecy I guess.”
“You think? What if you just knew it intuitively? That’s what I think. Some of these things we just know. We really know. Our intuition…”
He concurred. That it was possible, anyway. “Chicken or the egg,” he said. Because he never suspends his logic. Scott has Venus Mars and Pluto conjunct in Virgo. He also has a Mercury Uranus conjunction, and he is a true intellectual.
“Well I think you knew intuitively you would be alone. That you just knew this…what you imagined was real.”
“You may be right,” he said. You read that in the biographies of artists. I always knew… I think artistic people may know things like that. Intuitive people, I mean. You don’t have to be artistic…”
I told him I was writing about this and ultimately read him yesterday’s blog.
“I have prayed,” he said, without explaining further. He knows that I know how he feels about God and prayer, etc. “I have needed help to badly I have actually prayed and had something arrive.”
“Yeah?”
“Yeah. And it seems like it works. But then my logical mind gets ahold…”
“And you don’t know if it’s real or not?”
“Right.”
“Well that’s what I’m writing about. Because you know what a big deal this is in my life. You know how reality is just…it’s invisible to me, most the times. And how my reality is obscured from everyone else, no matter what. But right now, with this Saturn Neptune opposition, everyone is getting a taste and I gotta say, I like it quite a bit. It’s good for Elsa, because as you know this has dogged me, my whole life.”
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I Love My Mom But She Drives Me Crazy! Cancer Sun With Moon Uranus Conjunct in Scorpio
Dear Elsa,
I love my mother very much but we have a deeply challenging relationship. We often both feel misunderstood, and that whatever we offer one another is not good enough. I also have a lot of often unexplained and barely-held-in-check anger towards my mother. She irritates the hell out of me and my impatience leaks out most of the time when we talk.
I don’t like to be angry at my mother, especially because she tries very hard and is very selfless and giving. However, she can also be deeply manipulative and hysterical so my ire does not come entirely out of the blue.
For years I dreamt of never seeing her again, even thought I could spend years happily not talking to her. Although the relationship with her is much better now than it then, it’s still nowhere near as good as it could be. I love her and admire her strength and her intellect, but I often feel like I can’t stand to be around her.
I have no idea how to make the relationship between us better, but I really want to try. Do you have any advice about what’s going on between us, and what the best way is to proceed?
Angsty Daughter
Dear Angsty,
I read your post and checked your chart and it was pretty obvious to me what the problem is. But I want you to know I looked at your mother’s chart as well, in the interest of being careful, conscientious, thorough etc. Sure enough I found that you and your mother are very, very similar. Let’s see:
You’re a Cancer with a Virgo Rising, a Scorpio Moon and some planets in Libra.
She is a Virgo with Cancer Moon, Venus in Scorpio and a stellium in Libra.
Hmm…
See, you have a Moon Uranus conjunction in Scorpio! So you are deeply merged with your mother, and simultaneously wanting to detach and get away! This describes a state of extreme “un-comfort”. But this is in your chart, see. And this means it is your problem. In other words you are going to feel these things, regardless of what your mother does.
But you can make fast progress if you come to realize that everything you loathe about your mother is also inside of you - because it is! But you can revolutionize (Uranus) and transform (Scorpio) her energy, if this is your will. But this is an advanced game. And to get in position to be able to manage this, you must come to understand you have swallowed your mother whole.
Please. Aren’t you manipulative and hysterical at times? Don’t you irritate the living shit out of people at times? And aren’t you strong and intellectual? You get the idea.
Forget about your mother and work with your own emotional nature. If you change, she will change… so change!
Good luck.
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Turning Forty - Mid-Life Crisis: Uranus Opposite Natal Uranus
Dear Elsa,
I will soon be turning forty. I never thought I would go through a mid-life crisis phase, but I feel I may be in the depths of one. I married at the age of nineteen and we’ve been married for almost 21 years. We have two wonderful teen-age daughters and I will graduate college in December.
With all this great stuff going on in my life, why do I feel so empty? I feel suffocated and tied down. I went to the movies last night… alone again. My husband works out of town and the girls are always with their friends. More and more I am finding myself alone, and my eyes are beginning to wander. Recently I’ve lost 15 pounds, changed my hair style and bought some nicer clothes. I am seriously headed for trouble if I can’t pull myself back together.
Please help!! What am I to do?
Turning Forty
Dear Forty,
There is nothing wrong with losing weight, getting a nice haircut and dressing well! What society calls a mid-life crisis, astrologers call the Uranus opposition… and I think you should embrace the change.
And society says these forty-year olds are trying to be twenty, but that’s not it. At the time of the Uranus opposition, you realize your time on this planet is limited and there is an urge to break out of a rut - which is exactly what you are doing. And since your transit is applying, you can expect more of the same, so I would expect to continue to progress in this direction… thank goodness!
It’s sort of like re-booting your computer. You’ve got all this gunk and baggage and you want to dump it and live free. And why shouldn’t you? You’ve raised your kids! You’ve shown up for 20 years!
Now specific to your wandering eye, so what? You are noticing others and they are noticing you. This does not mean you are going to act on anything. Maybe it just means you’re becoming more vitally alive.
So I say, just keep doing what you’re doing and allow things to unfold. Go to the movies. If you tire of going alone… if there a void, eventually the universe will fill it. And when you’re talking about Uranus, it will always be in the most unexpected way. So please. Try to relax and enjoy this transition. You are going to be fine. In fact, you are going to be better than ever. It is okay to be free.
Good luck.
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Problems With Friends: Taurus With Uranus Transit Through The 11th House
Dear Elsa,
Well, where do I start? My friend has been dating this guy and I hate the way he treats her. I don’t know what to tell her, since she’s too “in love” with him. He disrespects her, he’s constantly making her say sorry for nothing, and he’s so controlling over her. I just can’t stand it! I want my best friend back; we haven’t seen each other for the past month now, because he always has something planned for them two (or she’s on the phone with him).
On top of that situation, my other close friend is dating my ex-boyfriend. Of course I was the last one to find out and I had to figure it out all on my own. They expect things to be the same but it’s not anymore. I feel so betrayed and disappointed at them. He of course was mad because his close friend and I were friends. My ex didn’t talk to me for 3 months because he assumed that his friend and I were dating. I’m just confused.
It’ll be great if you can help me out! Thank you.
Baffled
Dear Baffled,
This is very simple, which a Taurus like you can appreciate. I think you need some new friends. Uranus (change, revolution) is transiting your 11th house (friends), and consequently you can see everything is tossed into the air.
And check this: You say, “They expect things to be the same,” about one situation, but you are refusing to accept change in the other situation - although it’s obviously occurred. Er… your friend has taken a path with that boy and that’s it. She is going to the future not the past, and this is what you must do as well.
I am not saying you will not hook up with her further down the road. You may. But this type of fast change and to and fro in the realm of friendships is a given during this transit… which is going to last six years!
So what you can so is align yourself. And I understand this is a challenge for Taurus, a very FIXED sign who loathes change. But regardless of how much you dislike it, what will help is to accept and embrace the conditions. And in this case, that means developing a more detached attitude when it comes to friends, i.e. they come and they go and sometimes they come back. The idea is to offer your friends the freedom to experiment while enjoying the same freedom yourself.
Good luck.
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Erratic Psychotherapist With a Bad Temper: Stellium in Virgo - Uranus Transit
Dear Elsa,
I’m on this roller coaster ride, trying not to be flung out! I have moved to another town and am currently trying to start from scratch as a self-employed psychotherapist. Now I suddenly doubt that any good will come of this… and shouldn’t I rather paint, or travel to India, and be a psychic healer?
Apart from that, anybody giving me advice stands a good chance of being barked at by me - even if I was the one that asked them for help! I am usually outspoken, but this tendency to explode is new to me.
I have a lover and friends, and I mean to keep them. Can you give me any advice?
Greetings From a Sad Volcano
Dear Sad,
Yeah! You’re a danger, all right. Let me fill you in on the astrology.
As you know, people are walking around with their various complexes. And in your business, you’re aware that some events can occur which trigger the complex and all hell breaks loose. Same thing in my business - except timing is foreseeable because it correlates with transits to the birth chart.
Now in your chart, there is a big fat honkin’ complex. It’s composed of Mars (anger), your Moon (emotion), Uranus (unpredictable) and Pluto (explosive). And further… all those planets are conjunct your ascendant, which means we can all see the veins pop out on your forehead.
This whole mess is in Virgo, Mercury’s sign (communication) which is why you yell like a motherfucking drill sergeant, I bet. So there it sits and then along comes a transit, in this case from Uranus. The effect is like putting a cattle prod to this thing, and the result is your email!
So here’s what I can offer. First the timing. Forget about quick resolution. You will be dealing with this in your face into early 2008. It’s not going away, so you need to align. And you can do that if you understand the underlying purpose, which is your liberation.
Now Uranus wants to experiment. Out with the old, in with the new - and then out with the new, and in with the newer new. And you see what you’ve done? You’ve moved home on impulse. And now you have another impulse. And as disruptive as this may be, it has a purpose.
Because think about it. Do people necessarily know what they want? They don’t. Sometimes they have to experiment. They have to try different hats different ways and this is where you’re at now, due to arrive circa 2008. But with all this Virgo, you want to be perfect! You want order! But you’re not going to get it. You’re going to get the cattle prod. And as soon as you try to settle, here comes another impulse.
The fact is, you don’t want anyone telling you what to do! You don’t want restriction of any kind! You want to figure it out yourself and if you will be able to reduce your suffering dramatically if you get complexly conscious of this and embrace… even celebrate this process.
Because this transit is releasing all this energy - but over these next months you will learn via experimentation, all about this weapon you have. You will learn about the knife that you are. And with a little bit of luck, you will become a brilliant (Uranus) psychotherapist (Pluto) who helps (Virgo) heal (Pluto) the emotionally (Moon) injured (Mars). And it will all be worth it.
But you asked about keeping your friends and your lover, and I think you’re already doing quite a bit. You’re aware you’re packing an enormous punch and looking for appropriate ways to discharge. You can also communicate; this is Virgo’s forte. Explain that you need a lot space right now. You need a lot of freedom, but this does not mean you don’t love them.
Outside of that, I would look for some bulletproof friends. People who can take your heat, because your heat is fuckin’ hot. And you are very Virgo, so you don’t want to hurt people. You want to help them. And this is why you feel sad. Because you know people are blown off the planet by you. So it would be nice to have some thick-skinned friends. Some people “hard to kill”.
Indiana Jones comes to mind. You come at him with your rage, he’ll just shoot you and go on with his day! In fact, that wouldn’t be a bad idea. Arm your friends with (squirt) guns and tell them to shoot you if you’re too far over the line.
Good luck.
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Conflicted Over Having Children: Scorpio Moon Conjunct Uranus
Dear Elsa,
I’m a lucky person, and the most part my life now is good. My partner and I are getting married shortly and I feel like I’m finally at a place of happiness and nurture and trust. A lot of the future looks nice - we’re young and happy and our cat doesn’t scratch the furniture.
A part of me looks forward to just relaxing a while, without worrying about survival or self-protection… but a part of me is anxious about children. Before I met my partner, I was sure I didn’t want any babies. But he wants kids, and through the course of our relationship I have been getting steadily more broody.
I am a bit conflicted about the idea of motherhood. My own relationship with my mother is extremely conflicted, and I fear that I would be a bad mother to my child because I know how physically/mentally/challenging motherhood can be. I really worry that I would resent my kids, or want to abandon them. I experienced a lot of abandonment as a child, and it’s left scars.
I worry mostly that I won’t really be able to connect emotionally with my child, that I won’t know how to be truly playful with them - because connecting with children is not something that comes naturally to me.
Any advice?
A paranoid Scorpio Moon who really enjoys your blog.
Dear Scorpio Moon,
I am going to be candid and say that I feel you need to resolve this before you marry. Because when a person wants kids… they pretty much want kids. And if the two of you can’t come together on this, well it’s a hell of a compromise to ask in either direction.
Outside of that, in a generic way, please read this old blog “Scorpio Mom” that I wrote for a gal with a new baby who was afraid she would mess up her kid. Because you seem to have some similar feelings. But your case is very different.
Where she has the baby, you are deeply ambivalent about ever winding up in her shoes. And your chart reflects this in many ways, but I want to just hit up the main thing here because it seems possible this could release you.
You mention your Scorpio Moon, but you fail to mention that your Moon (Mommy) is conjunct Uranus (freedom) which dramatically alters the situation. Uranus always wants a lot of space. It cannot suffer restriction, so maybe you can see how this is reflected in your post. If you have kids you’re going to be screwed, blued, tattooed. And to an extent, this is true. But this is the point I want to make:
If you decide to have children, you do not have to be a traditional “Mommy”, however you might define that. And this might be one of the things that has you stuck. Thinking erroneously there is a way “mommies” need to behave.
What I think mommies need to do is be authentic. And if you had children, you would need some time away from them… period. And I don’t think this is a negative thing at all.
I know I need time away from my kids and they know it too. Because I tell them! I communicate this. And I think they benefit. My daughter sees she can have children and still have a life and some independence. My son learns that just because a woman has children, this does not mean she is dead! How can that be bad?
Well it would be bad if I neglected my kids, but I don’t. I just make it plainly clear to them that I am an individual, same as them. And we all have personalities that need to be appreciated and accommodated.
So I just wanted to put this in your hopper. The idea that if you decide to be a mother (Moon), you can make your own rules (Uranus). You can innovate! And I don’t believe your children will suffer. They may say, “My mother was a freak”; but if you love them while you’re doing your own thing, when they say it they’ll be smiling.
Good luck.
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