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Open Question: General Astrology And Timing Of Transits
Ask the collective…
Here’s Hiro again, this time with what she calls “logistical questions”.
I’m amused by this coming on the heels of her sex query.
Hiro writes:
1. What happens when a planet changes signs, but doesn’t change houses? Example: My ascendant is 11 Virgo. Saturn entered Virgo, but is only in the first degrees. So, Saturn is in my 12th house still. But Saturn is in the sign of my ascendant.
2. So, when do we feel a shift? When it enters the sign or when it transits over the actual degrees?
3. And how many degrees does an aspect last?
Hiro, I keep things very simple.
1. The planet is transiting the house it is transiting, period. So in the example you offer, Saturn is transiting your 12th house, I don’t care what sign is on the ascendant.
2. I feel a shift when a planet changes signs and see indications everywhere I look. I also notice when a planet changes houses, sort of like a progression or another brick in the wall. Life unfolds.
3. Depends on your sensitivity I guess. I think astrology acts as nature. The seasons come in one after another no matter what we do but there is a transition. If you are the type to see the first autumn leaf fall, then you see these changes early. If you are the type to wait until you’re up to your hips in snow before you break out your winter clothes, well that’s another way to be. Neither way is preferable that I can see.
Anyone else with an opinion?
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Current Conditions… Uranus Transit, Pluto Transit, Jupiter Transit, Saturn Transit… Simultaneously!
Astrology in Real Life…
From an email to a pal:
“…So it seems to be coming together but I can barely think about it or take time to consider it with my kids out of school… going in different directions, zig-zagging, sometimes into cars, never mind all the Pluto Moon action and my Uranian / Jupiter FREEDOM urge. So I am sorry for my spastic nature at the moment but this is the best I can do when running 100mph during psychic surgery!”
How’s your day going?
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Astrology and Benefiting From Major Transits: Just What Good Is All This Trouble?
Ask the collective…
cj asks: “Do you have any idea how long it will take a sat/neptune signature person like myself to see and feel the positive side of the profound changes?”
That’s a really good (but tricky) question and I am not sure I have a definitive answer. In theory anything you learn (Saturn) should pay increasing dividends over time. At the height of a transit like this it’s hard to see the nuance and all the ways you are being impacted and affected. And it nearly impossible to discover how what you are learning might be applied. But a year or two or ten after the fact, you might realize a period like did in fact change and rearrange you completely and how critical it was to your growth.
For example, had I not invested in (3 years!!) of therapy some 15 years ago I would have no business writing this blog! But when I was doing all that crying and agonizing, this blog has not been conceived which means I did that work (Saturn) on faith (Neptune)! So I now I look back and can say, if not for that there would never be this. Boy am I glad about that! And this is true for different things, a million times over but I am not sure everyone is going to have the same result. This is a Saturn result. It’s a slow build on a solid foundation.
So if you worked the Neptune side of this opposition (escaped, stayed addicted, avoided reality) while ignoring Saturn, well then when the tide goes out, there you’ll be.
On the other hand if you have worked fathom Neptune you are now open to and aware you have the ability to erase your fear, access nirvana… etc. etc.
So your question is tricky because it sounds as if you cannot identify any benefit you’ve gleaned so far but I’m not sure I’m right about that. I am also not sure you’re right about that, but if you are… no problem.
If people show up saying they have no idea what good has come of this, I will start sharing my experience and since all experience is universal, others should be able to read it and say, “Oh yeah. Thaaaat.” ![]()
Anyone else with input?
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She’s Getting Divorced and It’s Completely Unexpected: Leo Sun, Pisces Moon
Dear Elsa,
After 20 years together, I am in the early process of a surprise divorce. I have 3 young children and want to try and work out any problems. My husband is unwilling and can’t get out of this marriage fast enough. He claims we have always been incompatible and he has been very unhappy a long time. He has been very hostile lately. He is not having an affair, he just wants to be alone without responsibility.
Because of financial reasons, we are trying to handle our own divorce. We are trying to be friendly for the kids sake, but I can hardly handle his hostility and the hatred he has going right now. He refuses to discuss any divorce issues and I am afraid he is going to continue to get more and more selfish and leave us with nothing.
I can’t seem to get over him even though he is treating me like crap. He has agreed to talk to me about this relationship in about 6 months. Meanwhile he has promised to take care of us… but how can I trust him when he seems to be out for his own interests only? I also can’t get over him, I seem to want to protect him, he and I were each other’s first loves. I even want him back and that will never happen.
Being Abandoned
Dear Abandoned,
I feel very sorry for you and wish I could make this all go away. However, the astrology is very clear. Your husband wants out. He is having a Uranus transit (so are you) and damn the torpedoes, he’s going to do what he’s going to do. However, I do think some of your fears are unfounded and I think I can see a way to ease your pain by offering you a detached perspective.
First regarding your security fears for you and your children: although it is perfectly understandable to have them, he is telling you that this is not what he is trying to do. And I don’t think your husband is a liar. So I think you should listen very carefully to what he is telling you, because there’s gobs of information there in the midst of this chaos.
See, you’re scared to death and it’s no wonder. You’ve been hit by a train. But listen to what he’s telling you. He is telling you he is having an extreme urge for freedom. And astrology supports this, believe me. He is having a ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater” sort of time, so just imagine being him. Imagine all the sudden being hit with an incredible sense of being restricted and finding it impossible to endure. Because this is where he is at. “I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE!” And he doesn’t even know what “IT” is. And further, I would bet that on some level he is as surprised as you are.
But he is also telling you he cares about his children. And you! He is also telling you he is willing (wants) to talk to your about your relationship in six months… and I believe him. I also think this is very telling.
See, I play cards. And sometimes… well, most times people give a “tell”. They tip their hand with a look or some kind of gesture and your husband has done this with you. I think he wants to go. He needs to go. But personally, I think odds are he will be back. But not if you don’t let him go! So this is my advice:
Open the door. Open it as wide as you can. Give him total freedom. You can do this. You love him, it’s obvious. And when you love someone, there is really nothing to do but give them whatever they want anyway.
And you have a Pisces Moon. So it’s not like you don’t understand this kind of thing. Faith, that is. You have a deep knowing that things work out best, which probably explains why you can’t get over him.
You can’t get over him because he’s not going anywhere. Where’s the other woman, huh? Where is the woman he prefers to you? There is no other woman! Your husband is basically going insane but it’s not permanent. And he is giving you clues all over the place if you will only pick up on them. So try this:
Transcend your fear and act in a way that is totally loving. Give him whatever he asks for. Give him all the space he needs.
Then ask the universe to give you the best outcome for all involved and I bet you get exactly that.
Much love and good luck.
~~
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Coping With The Current Saturn Neptune Opposition:My Encounter With The Po-Leece
Read more about Saturn Neptune… “It’s a Hall Of Mirrors And We’re All In It”
I got a speeding ticket the other day. I got pulled over by this big ol’ cop. Very studly but with an attitude. He meant to mock me, I think. But in a way that was funny. He sidled on up to my car with his hand on his belt like some kind of 6′4″ Texan.
“I guess you didn’t know we was the Po-Leece when you did this and this and this,” he said smugly, as if he’d just busted the notorious criminal of the decade. I shot him my best Thelma and Louise grin.
“Actually, no. I wasn’t trying to get away with something. I’m having a super terrific day, so I’m out driving happily and I was completely oblivious (Neptune) to the police (Saturn). But now here you are,” I said brightly.
“I’m sorry I’m going to have to ruin your day with a speeding ticket.”
“Oh, go right ahead. There are much worse things,” I said, smiling. “I can’t imagine I could care any less about getting a ticket because really, I am feeling very good and days don’t get much better than this.”
He didn’t talk to me after that. He probably thought I was crazy.
Keep reading -> Who Am I Again? Neptune on The Midheaven
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Feeling Strangely Confused? Calling All Fixed Signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius - Saturn Opposite Neptune
Hi Elsa,
I’ve been feeling strangely confused ever since I’ve been back to school. It’s my Junior year of high school and I’m finding it hard to cope. I was very busy my first two years and this year I’ve actually laid off so much, I have a lot more free time on my hands. I try to bring my mind to focus back on the tasks at hand and keep up my grades.
I’ve been focusing on my future career. I want to be a Journalist/writer first and foremost and have been getting involved in all sorts of programs that are held on Saturdays for such things and improving my writing skills. The thing is: how can I make my confusion go away. Is this impossible? Am I just going through a phase, anxiety about the future ahead? And does this happen to everyone? I know that’s a lot of questions but I’m one confused soul right now.
Thanks,
Double Aquarius, Scorpio Moon
Dear Aquarius,
This is for you and everyone else with planets at the mid to late degrees of the Fixed Signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius). GIVE UP. Give up trying to hold on to some piece of ground because you are not going to be able to manage this. You are alllll being impacted by the current Saturn Neptune opposition in the sky and these are forces outside your control.
All you can do is try feel the currents and move with them. It’s like the tide. The tide comes in and it goes out. When the tide is in, you know what you’re doing. You’re in the flow. When the tide is out, you’re bereft! You’re lost. You’re scared.
And what this does is force faith. When the tide goes out, you simply must move forward the best you can, trusting that your mojo is MIA rather than left the building never to return. Faith, see! This is what you are supposed to be learning.
And at times you are going to be disabled. Seriously! (A Saturn joke.) So just get that into your head (Aquarius), your heart (Leo), your groin (Scorpio) and your stubborn position (Taurus)! You are not your usual self. And you’re not going to have any clarity at all prior to summer 2007. I guarantee this, so you may as well embrace the reality.
My friend satori is a Pisces (Neptune ruled) with a Capricorn (Saturn ruled) Moon, so she has a natural affinity and understanding of these energies when they combine. She put it best when she equated this to teaching a child to swim. You put them in the pool and get all tense and frightened. And you have to get them to relax! You have to get them to believe… to have faith that if they just lie back in the water, they’ll float!
So this is what you need to do. Lie back into the water and trust the universe is taking you exactly where you need to go because it is. And so sorry for the waves, but it’s nature, yes? So what do you expect?
Good luck.
~~
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Astrology Is Not Flat - A Conversation
Catch up here: Astrology Is Not Flat - An Introduction
So personally, I have Saturn transiting the 7th house which suggests I would be learning via relationships. And to facilitate this I am in contact with two ex-boyfriends from 28 years ago… the last time Saturn was in Leo. In other words, it’s a complete Saturn cycle.
I also have Mars conjunct Mercury in Libra, so a constantly hotted up mind. I talk (Mercury) about Mars things (Sex, war, men, etc). Especially when my conjunction is being transited as it has over these last weeks.
I have an 8th house emphasis, in general (intense, taboo) but beyond that Pluto is transiting in aspect to my Moon.
So what feels like “home” to me? In what ways am I subconsciously driven? What is my family legacy?
With Pluto transiting the Moon, these things are all on deck and you can see how it all comes together… how incredibly incredible the universe is when it comes to delivering experience via a conversation I had earlier this week.
I was talking to my Ex, the Special Forces guy which is very handy for Mars Mercury. Talk to a soldier? Perfect! He rang.
Briiiinnng! Brinnnnng!
“I was just talking about you,” I said.
“To who?”
“Scott.” Scott is my other ex from the era. “I was telling him… well the thing is, I saw Scott in July. And of course I saw him for 17 years on and off. But I hadn’t seen him in a long time and what you find out is nothing changes. Not one thing.”
He was listening.
“We were driving around in a car when I visited and you know… well I am a very visceral person. I am freakishly sensitive; there is no way to stop it. And I’ll tell you, it was exactly the same. We drove around and the feelings were exactly the same as they always were. How I felt in July was the same way I felt when I was on my first date with him, when I was 15 years old. There was no difference at all.”
“Uh huh.”
“Uh huh. It was identical. And it makes sense. Because think about it. He’s the same person. He has the same gestures and the same face with the same looks on it. So we were driving around and he’d glance over at me with the same look on his face from a million years ago. That Scott look. And I would have the same feeling, exactly. You know. I’m in the right car. I know I am somewhere I belong which is how I felt from the first minute I met him. So you see what I mean. His energy is the same obviously. It just doesn’t change.
“No.”
“So I have my energy and you put us in a car together, which is sort of close quarters and you can really feel this stuff. And it’s overwhelming. It’s overwhelmingly good, for that matter. Because it’s just so large. You just can’t compare this sort of experience. There is nothing like seeing something go all the way around like that. Thirty years and it means nothing. Time and space mean absolutely nothing. They have no effect at all that I can discern.”
To be continued…
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Emotional Ruin After Losing Her Lover: Saturn Return - Virgo Sun With Venus Conjunct Saturn In Leo - Part Three
Need to catch up? Part one
Bereft,
Having established yourself yesterday as an upright, stand-up human being who acts with integrity in relationships, what now?
Well, you have to decide. How pervasive is your obnoxious behavior? Do you need therapy or can you get on top it yourself? I have no idea. But as you move ahead, if you think you might benefit from therapy, get it. And you don’t have to be perfect. You only need to be doing your best. You need to try.
And when you commit to this, help arrives. Look for Saturn figures because you’re going to see them everywhere. Saturn figures are people with authority. Generally they are older than you and more experienced. Teachers, cops, judges, old men and Capricorns for the most part.
You will meet these types repeatedly throughout this transit and it is via them you will know how you’re going. It’s very simple. If you encounter the police and they let you go, you’re doing ok! If not, you’ve got trouble. If the teacher acknowledges your effort, you’re on track. If you get a D in the class, maybe not.
And slowly you pull through. And later, when you look back at this time in your life you’ll see it was a turning point. It will be the time you became real. You will be grounded and authentic as opposed to flitting around in your life, in some kind of pie in the sky denial.
And this is what you want. Because people who are not real can’t love. Is it love to eat your lover for lunch? To consume them? Is it love to fling your shit onto others rather than grow up and take responsibility for it? Of course not.
So you can see how critical it is you resolve this. It’s because love will come to you again. And when it does, you’ll know what to do. You’ll have the ability to act in a way that is appropriate and build (Saturn) a relationship (Venus) that lasts and because of this you will never have to feel what you are feeling now ever again. And just so you know, you are not alone.
I had this exact experience. I had a great man once upon a time. And I was such a punk! I was an incredible punk and I just could not get my head out of my ass and eventually I lost the relationship.
I suffered a tidal wave of pain, just as you describe and in this process promised God and whoever else if I ever had another chance I would…
I would do the right thing! No matter what! And love came again. And I stuck to my promise. And I have a great love because of it. And in fact, all of my relationships flourish and it would not be this way had I not gotten killed way back when. I’d still be a clueless punk, see?
And although it may take years (it did for me) eventually you will see this guy you lost was not the one for you. Because it’s this simple: Relationships that are meant to last, do not fall apart. They just don’t. So this is my advice:
The right man is coming. Get ready.
Good luck.
~~
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Emotional Ruin After Losing Her Lover: Saturn Return - Virgo With Venus Conjunct Saturn In Leo - Part Two
Continued from yesterday - Catch up here.
Bereft,
When it comes to Saturn transits, there is a process and I will outline it for you. In your case, Venus (love) is conjunct Saturn in your natal chart, so the whole transit will focus on relationships and you see the set up here. Your man is gone and he is gone because of you. And when you move through the pain and begin to accept reality, a humbling takes place.
“Okay, maybe I am not a hotshot. Maybe I’m a mere human being and maybe I need to try not to suck! Maybe I need to get my ass in gear and keep it there. Maybe I need to take responsibility…”
And this is the beginning of healing. When you decide to face reality, define the problem and commit to a plan of action, things ease. Not a lot, but it’s noticeable. It’s the difference between lying under the covers wishing to die, and sitting on the edge of the bed, knowing you’re going to live and deciding to have some say about how the rest of your life is going to go.
And once you get here, it is generally very obvious what you need to do. The path is there! You know you’ve got the right path if it seems completely daunting. Sorry, but this is how it is.
And I don’t know what you need to do. It’s not for me to decide. You are the one who is laying the foundation for the next thirty years of your life, so what is it that you want to build? I can’t decide for you, but I have some suggestions.
The best buildings have integrity. And the foundations are sunk into the ground. Which means you may have to go back (dig in) before you can go forward (build). So what about this guy? Are you clear there? Have you apologized? Have you taken responsibility for what you put him through?
If not, I would. With this done, you’ll be at ground zero. You will be no one with nothing, but you’ll have your integrity. And some class, although I doubt you’ll feel that. But you will be a person who does right by others even if you haven’t in the past, and it’s right here that you’re positioned to promise that you will never compromise yourself again.
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Emotional Ruin After Losing Her Lover: Saturn Return - Virgo With Venus Conjunct Saturn In Leo - Part One
Hello,
I’m a 29 year old female and I’m in such an emotional rut! I’m extremely lonely, depressed, and negative about the my past and future. The person I’ve been living with for 5 years has moved out to find his own place and I’m in emotional ruin. Throughout our relationship I was very jealous, possessive and controlling and this is what finally drove him away. Now I don’t have much hope for the future.
Why and what am I going through?? I’m hoping you will be able to offer me some insight.
Bereft
Dear Bereft,
If I could wave a wand and help you through this next year, I’d do it just to ease your pain. But it’s just as well I can’t. Because although it would do you some good short term, longer term it would leave as empty as you are now. And what would be the point? You’re much better off to face this… your Saturn Return, head on.
Now in astrology the Saturn Return marks the start of real live adulthood. What kind of adult are you going to be? And without fail, people at Saturn Return age (28-30 years old) see their lives slow down and get very serious.
In your case, this failed relationship is key. You plainly state you were possessive and controlling and now it’s cost you big time. And I don’t point this out to hurt you. I point it out because it is time for you to decide what you’re going to do about this. Have you had enough pain?
Have you had enough pain to decide to never, ever, ever, ever behave this way in relationship again? What if you have? What if it hurts so awful bad you say ‘uncle”? What if you say, okay I will do the work? I will do what I need to do to be a decent partner to someone?
That right there will mark the turning point. At that point, you’ll be off your back and with your feet on the ground, staring up at a big honkin’ mountain which you will be forced to climb over this next year.
And though I cannot climb it for you, I can definitely provide a map. And I think you deserve one, so think about this tonight and come back tomorrow and it will be here.
~~
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